Comments on: Witnessing the Decay of Western Hegemony and the Role of the Organic Intellectual http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:03:40 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34734 bozh Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:17:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34734 john andrews, the fact is, every land i know of has at least one party. US plutos have one party', it's their party. and they don't need it as plutos simply select managers and installing them. natch, plutos insist there r two parties in US; for obvious reasons: to deceive. so, as far US is concerned, it can do as well w.o. a party. but wld corruption cease because it merely supplants words "prez", "senator", et al w. word "manager"? it seems to me that one can build a better toilet but the same shit goes in. similarly, in US, one can put in a 'better' administration in washington but the same thinkers wld, IMO, do their usual stuff: lie, cheat, steal, deceive just as under any other appellation. party, parties, or no party; while money actually rules the country; ie, obtains managers, senators, liars, killers, traitors, is then irrelevant. u probably meant this. but if one thinks that the lords in UK and billionaires in US will lift a finger to obtain an administration that wld much or completely free be of corruption, one wld be mistaken. panhuman feelings: fear of poverty, greed, envy, hate, anger, stupidity attacks, wrong thinking, lust for power, supremacism r not going to go away. and w. present education, never. it's feelings that govern the world and not reason. so, at this time of the panhuman development, every country needs at least two parties; fiercely opposed to one another; each w. much different platform. if US had such structure of governance, it wld have never invaded iq, afh'n, i dare say. meaness wld have met meaness. and sparks wld fly. spain had proved this. as soon the second party took over, spanish troops were w'drawn. spain went to war even tho 93% of its people were against it. but it had been the fascist party that disregarded democracy. thnx john andrews, the fact is, every land i know of has at least one party.
US plutos have one party’, it’s their party.
and they don’t need it as plutos simply select managers and installing them.
natch, plutos insist there r two parties in US; for obvious reasons: to deceive.
so, as far US is concerned, it can do as well w.o. a party. but wld corruption cease because it merely supplants words “prez”, “senator”, et al w. word “manager”?
it seems to me that one can build a better toilet but the same shit goes in.
similarly, in US, one can put in a ‘better’ administration in washington but the same thinkers wld, IMO, do their usual stuff: lie, cheat, steal, deceive just as under any other appellation.

party, parties, or no party; while money actually rules the country; ie, obtains managers, senators, liars, killers, traitors, is then irrelevant.
u probably meant this.

but if one thinks that the lords in UK and billionaires in US will lift a finger to obtain an administration that wld much or completely free be of corruption, one wld be mistaken.
panhuman feelings: fear of poverty, greed, envy, hate, anger, stupidity attacks, wrong thinking, lust for power, supremacism r not going to go away.
and w. present education, never.
it’s feelings that govern the world and not reason.
so, at this time of the panhuman development, every country needs at least two parties; fiercely opposed to one another; each w. much different platform.

if US had such structure of governance, it wld have never invaded iq, afh’n, i dare say.
meaness wld have met meaness. and sparks wld fly.
spain had proved this. as soon the second party took over, spanish troops were w’drawn.
spain went to war even tho 93% of its people were against it. but it had been the fascist party that disregarded democracy. thnx

]]> By: Michael Hureaux http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34719 Michael Hureaux Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:16:39 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34719 If Gramsci talking about the working class intellectual, maybe I know what he was talking about. Those folks haven't gone anywhere, but there's a lot of work to do in terms of wresting them from the Obamian cults etc. If Gramsci talking about the working class intellectual, maybe I know what he was talking about. Those folks haven’t gone anywhere, but there’s a lot of work to do in terms of wresting them from the Obamian cults etc.

]]> By: Grace http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34717 Grace Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:08:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34717 ".. it is the role of the organic intellectual, to educate the population about the consequences of not acting boldly and committing to the revolutionary project while still in the workforce, rather than having to do so later, when exposed to the charitable mercy of the ruling elite after being laid-off. " Well Put! Ha, of course I know you mean, the non-existant , or with lots of strings and judgement - charitable mercy of the ruling elite. As anyone who was busy working all these years, paying taxes yet not paying attention, the elites stripped society of the safety net. It almost doesn't exist. They want you to sell your car ,your house , your jewels and EveryTHING of value before you are given one food stamp. You can go to the churches who are given lots of govt. money to fill the gap in Govt. for your food, but you will be required to hear a sermon first. Get ready, the elites don't expect to be there on the pole they greased up for the little people. “.. it is the role of the organic intellectual, to educate the population about the consequences of not acting boldly and committing to the revolutionary project while still in the workforce, rather than having to do so later, when exposed to the charitable mercy of the ruling elite after being laid-off. ”

Well Put!
Ha, of course I know you mean, the non-existant , or with lots of strings and judgement – charitable mercy of the ruling elite.

As anyone who was busy working all these years, paying taxes yet not paying attention, the elites stripped society of the safety net. It almost doesn’t exist. They want you to sell your car ,your house , your jewels and EveryTHING of value before you are given one food stamp. You can go to the churches who are given lots of govt. money to fill the gap in Govt. for your food, but you will be required to hear a sermon first.

Get ready, the elites don’t expect to be there on the pole they greased up for the little people.

]]> By: john andrews http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34687 john andrews Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:34:41 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34687 bozh, Thanks for your comments. 1. Parties are not essential to government; and in our current systems they are the main means of perpetuating corruption. They could survive in the future, but I think if corruption is to be controlled (it will never be wholly eliminated) then a system must be found whereby private financing of political campaigns is outlawed, or at least tightly restricted. But like I say, we don't actually need parties at all. All we need is a reliable administrative system where the people may be properly informed about what's going on, and council/parliamentary debates thrown open for public voting. Parties provide the means whereby a tiny handful of ultra powerful people may behave like the dictators they are (they are not allowed to take up leadership unless they are dictators) - so parties should have the link between them and private money severed, or preferably be eliminated altogether to be replaced by individual Free Democrat councillors or Independents. 2. Your point about education is absolutely right. The people must be educated; but by whom? Nearly 200 years ago an article in the Mechanics Magazine said: 'Men had better be without education than educated by their rulers; for then education is but the breaking in of the steer to the yoke.' And I like Shaw's comment on the subject too: 'Man is born ignorant not stupid. It's education that makes him stupid.' Whilst the existing system of government controls education there is no chance of young people being properly educated; and whilst the existing system of government controls public information there is only very limited means of educating adults; but we have the means for limited re-education. The simplest thing is distribution of reading lists - small lists (people love lists). There are superb books available to open people's eyes. Try compiling a list of just ten books that you would consider essential reading, print as many as you can afford and distribute them. Because I constantly criticise our system of government I thought it only right to create a model of what I would replace it with if I could. So I devised Free Democracy. At its heart is my People's Constitution, an all powerful law that only the people can control, and that they can easily access, and that all government servants are obliged to serve as their first duty. My constitution makes no claims of perfection - but it is considerably better than what we have, which is all it really needs to be. bozh,

Thanks for your comments.

1. Parties are not essential to government; and in our current systems they are the main means of perpetuating corruption. They could survive in the future, but I think if corruption is to be controlled (it will never be wholly eliminated) then a system must be found whereby private financing of political campaigns is outlawed, or at least tightly restricted. But like I say, we don’t actually need parties at all. All we need is a reliable administrative system where the people may be properly informed about what’s going on, and council/parliamentary debates thrown open for public voting.

Parties provide the means whereby a tiny handful of ultra powerful people may behave like the dictators they are (they are not allowed to take up leadership unless they are dictators) – so parties should have the link between them and private money severed, or preferably be eliminated altogether to be replaced by individual Free Democrat councillors or Independents.

2. Your point about education is absolutely right. The people must be educated; but by whom? Nearly 200 years ago an article in the Mechanics Magazine said: ‘Men had better be without education than educated by their rulers; for then education is but the breaking in of the steer to the yoke.’ And I like Shaw’s comment on the subject too: ‘Man is born ignorant not stupid. It’s education that makes him stupid.’

Whilst the existing system of government controls education there is no chance of young people being properly educated; and whilst the existing system of government controls public information there is only very limited means of educating adults; but we have the means for limited re-education.

The simplest thing is distribution of reading lists – small lists (people love lists). There are superb books available to open people’s eyes. Try compiling a list of just ten books that you would consider essential reading, print as many as you can afford and distribute them.

Because I constantly criticise our system of government I thought it only right to create a model of what I would replace it with if I could. So I devised Free Democracy. At its heart is my People’s Constitution, an all powerful law that only the people can control, and that they can easily access, and that all government servants are obliged to serve as their first duty. My constitution makes no claims of perfection – but it is considerably better than what we have, which is all it really needs to be.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34668 Don Hawkins Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:43:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34668 Having a peaceful demonstration in Chicago today and the rich are selling there jewels they need the cash both very good signs. The word jewellery is derived from the word jewel, which was anglicised from the Old French "jouel" circa the 13th century. Further tracing leads back to the Latin word "jocale", meaning plaything. Jewellery is one of the oldest forms of body adornment; recently found 100,000 year-old beads made from Nassarius shells are thought to be the oldest known jewellery. Meaning plaything. Hummmm I wonder do these so called elite's think of many as playthings maybe just a little, no but if maybe a little heck let's play. If any so called elite's are out there and have to sell there jewels for cash and you find yourselves on hard times you know need food well there is this thing called food stamps look in the yellow pages or if you can't find it there call your local welfare office. Could you call some friends on Wall Street for a little help, no probably not. How about a banker you know, keeping it all in the vault. Darn well you could cut my lawn as it is kind of warm here and it is growing. Do you have reasonable rates. I mean I know you don't like taking hand outs but will you work for food? We are what we do. Having a peaceful demonstration in Chicago today and the rich are selling there jewels they need the cash both very good signs.

The word jewellery is derived from the word jewel, which was anglicised from the Old French “jouel” circa the 13th century. Further tracing leads back to the Latin word “jocale”, meaning plaything. Jewellery is one of the oldest forms of body adornment; recently found 100,000 year-old beads made from Nassarius shells are thought to be the oldest known jewellery.

Meaning plaything. Hummmm I wonder do these so called elite’s think of many as playthings maybe just a little, no but if maybe a little heck let’s play. If any so called elite’s are out there and have to sell there jewels for cash and you find yourselves on hard times you know need food well there is this thing called food stamps look in the yellow pages or if you can’t find it there call your local welfare office. Could you call some friends on Wall Street for a little help, no probably not. How about a banker you know, keeping it all in the vault. Darn well you could cut my lawn as it is kind of warm here and it is growing. Do you have reasonable rates. I mean I know you don’t like taking hand outs but will you work for food? We are what we do.

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34665 Max Shields Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:23:19 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34665 civil disobediance/nonviolent resistence are all tactics. These are the inverse tactics of terrorism. There is nothing "passive" about either tactic but there are two clear distinctions: 1) morality 2) the end game. Violence resulting in the deaths of innocents of all ages can never be morally justified. Violence breeds violence and if one side is to "win" it is a "win" which is premised on the empire paradigm of domination and fear. Such simply exchanges one source of rule with another. Means and ends are not separate. We are what we do. civil disobediance/nonviolent resistence are all tactics. These are the inverse tactics of terrorism. There is nothing “passive” about either tactic but there are two clear distinctions: 1) morality 2) the end game.

Violence resulting in the deaths of innocents of all ages can never be morally justified. Violence breeds violence and if one side is to “win” it is a “win” which is premised on the empire paradigm of domination and fear. Such simply exchanges one source of rule with another. Means and ends are not separate. We are what we do.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34663 bozh Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:16:21 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34663 more on passive resistance. today for the first time i began to delve on also all the (i cld think of) silent assumptions that this term contains. the term appears to be an oximoron. to resist means that one is undertaking some action. thus to resist one must be active. so one is not passive but active. the term implies that one can change important things by not suffering; just kind being quiet; sitting dwn; and verbally criticise the rulers; hoping the rulers wld listen to reason. i hit streets; passed leaflets; talked to people and took lotsof abuse from warsellers who 'knew' saddam had bombs and was ready to use them. passive resistance implies that there won't be also massive passsive/active resistance to our resistance. there is, what, 50mn rabid amers. and i think they wld resist any change. and to end this anlyses imlies that it wld succeed an dthat that is only way. not so. there may be many ways. thnx more on passive resistance. today for the first time i began to delve on also all the (i cld think of) silent assumptions that this term contains.
the term appears to be an oximoron. to resist means that one is undertaking some action.
thus to resist one must be active. so one is not passive but active. the term implies that one can change important things by not suffering; just kind being quiet; sitting dwn; and verbally criticise the rulers; hoping the rulers wld listen to reason.
i hit streets; passed leaflets; talked to people and took lotsof abuse from warsellers who ‘knew’ saddam had bombs and was ready to use them.
passive resistance implies that there won’t be also massive passsive/active resistance to our resistance.

there is, what, 50mn rabid amers. and i think they wld resist any change.
and to end this anlyses imlies that it wld succeed an dthat that is only way. not so. there may be many ways. thnx

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34662 Don Hawkins Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:09:16 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34662 Just after I made that last comment I was watching Fox News and a program called Forbes on Fox. Wall street types talking heads. Well climate change came up and then one man said hay just on the off chance that these scientists are right and we can get big time sea level rise and drought and flooding and lack of food and millions on the move maybe we should spent the money. At that point the man running the program said ok so what so maybe Ohio becomes beach front property and the rest of the people on the show Ha Ha Ha. That type of thinking just on that one show, no. Let's name names Bush and his people, Exxon, Chevron, Shell, Coal, mining, and on and on. HA HA HA. That HA HA HA thinking would you call that using knowledge or bullshit, arrogant Bullshit, nut cases using arrogant bullshit. Again this is where the defense part comes in. Just after I made that last comment I was watching Fox News and a program called Forbes on Fox. Wall street types talking heads. Well climate change came up and then one man said hay just on the off chance that these scientists are right and we can get big time sea level rise and drought and flooding and lack of food and millions on the move maybe we should spent the money. At that point the man running the program said ok so what so maybe Ohio becomes beach front property and the rest of the people on the show Ha Ha Ha. That type of thinking just on that one show, no. Let’s name names Bush and his people, Exxon, Chevron, Shell, Coal, mining, and on and on. HA HA HA. That HA HA HA thinking would you call that using knowledge or bullshit, arrogant Bullshit, nut cases using arrogant bullshit. Again this is where the defense part comes in.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34660 bozh Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:44:52 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34660 ramsefall, rosa's action was brave; cld it be described as nonobedience? or better yet, nonviolent but dogged disobedience and a law breaking; an unjust and trifling law! but it had been an ad hoc disobedience; it wasn't broad enough. the broader and more massive disobedience is needed to abolish so many other phenomena, but most importantly, the basic structure ov governance. can one change anything unless above else we raise democrats? and to raise dems and not pigs, one must educate people broadly. at this time there is no democrats in US; ergo, no democracy but a rule of the jushits. jushits is my term for amers who support isr and who r now shitting on jews; jews being descendants of judeans. and as hebraic and arab dialects of one tongue clearly prove; both r shemitic or , if one will, semitic. they were one people just barely 3-4 td yrs ago. but i also call the nonshemitic stealers of palestine jushits; since, obviously, these barbarians r not shemitic. one cld even asserts that there is no lngr any jews left. imo, shemites will emerge victorious. it may take more than one century; but they'l beat the criminals. however, at this time no resistance will stop the nonjews. and in US, nothing will change its basic structure of governance, save education and dogged activism. hitting the streets in small numbers all over US and teaching wld hopefully help or change the basics. alternative media may help. but does more than 2% of usans read it? and of which 30-40% have just voted for one party system. there is work to be done; and no guarantees. thnx ramsefall,
rosa’s action was brave; cld it be described as nonobedience? or better yet, nonviolent but dogged disobedience and a law breaking; an unjust and trifling law!
but it had been an ad hoc disobedience; it wasn’t broad enough.
the broader and more massive disobedience is needed to abolish so many other phenomena, but most importantly, the basic structure ov governance.

can one change anything unless above else we raise democrats? and to raise dems and not pigs, one must educate people broadly.
at this time there is no democrats in US; ergo, no democracy but a rule of the jushits.

jushits is my term for amers who support isr and who r now shitting on jews; jews being descendants of judeans.
and as hebraic and arab dialects of one tongue clearly prove; both r shemitic or , if one will, semitic.
they were one people just barely 3-4 td yrs ago.

but i also call the nonshemitic stealers of palestine jushits; since, obviously, these barbarians r not shemitic.
one cld even asserts that there is no lngr any jews left.

imo, shemites will emerge victorious. it may take more than one century; but they’l beat the criminals.
however, at this time no resistance will stop the nonjews. and in US, nothing will change its basic structure of governance, save education and dogged activism.

hitting the streets in small numbers all over US and teaching wld hopefully help or change the basics.

alternative media may help. but does more than 2% of usans read it? and of which 30-40% have just voted for one party system.
there is work to be done; and no guarantees. thnx

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34658 Don Hawkins Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:06:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34658 "You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. Use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. " Defense against what? Here's where we could run into trouble. The people who seem to think it's ok to use bullshit instead of knowledge we might want to defend ourselves against. War in Iraq and many more solves nothing. Economy billions for Elite is a form of insanity. Climate change is a hoax, did anybody happen to see the temperatures today. Record where I live more on the way. It looks like Obama is a big bag of wind. 3 million in front of chieftain office with change on there mind. Signs that say one and one is two that is to help get there attention. Read DV Obama. “You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. Use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. ”

Defense against what? Here’s where we could run into trouble. The people who seem to think it’s ok to use bullshit instead of knowledge we might want to defend ourselves against. War in Iraq and many more solves nothing. Economy billions for Elite is a form of insanity. Climate change is a hoax, did anybody happen to see the temperatures today. Record where I live more on the way. It looks like Obama is a big bag of wind. 3 million in front of chieftain office with change on there mind. Signs that say one and one is two that is to help get there attention. Read DV Obama.

]]> By: Ramsefall http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34653 Ramsefall Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:07:36 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34653 non-violent doesn't necessarily indicate passive; was Rosa Parks' non-violent resistance passive? Thanks. non-violent doesn’t necessarily indicate passive; was Rosa Parks’ non-violent resistance passive?

Thanks.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34652 bozh Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:42:20 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34652 passive resistance may or may have worked for indians; but at least one historian asserted that UK so writing on the wall. and it withdrew. or wld have faced multiple uprising and eventually lose. UK like so many evil empires has kept so many diverse people in one evil empire; and from evil empires like iraq, afh'n, india, pakistan, serbia, evil arises! passive resistance for afhgans, iraqis, pals, tibetans, et al is better that armed resistance. however, passive resistance that thoreau speaks of had not changed basics at all. still, almost everywhere we have the ruling class and nonruling class. one can passively object, sitin, parade, etc., the governance will never change. but active but nonviolent resistance might. thnx passive resistance may or may have worked for indians; but at least one historian asserted that UK so writing on the wall.
and it withdrew. or wld have faced multiple uprising and eventually lose.
UK like so many evil empires has kept so many diverse people in one evil empire; and from evil empires like iraq, afh’n, india, pakistan, serbia, evil arises!
passive resistance for afhgans, iraqis, pals, tibetans, et al is better that armed resistance.
however, passive resistance that thoreau speaks of had not changed basics at all.
still, almost everywhere we have the ruling class and nonruling class.
one can passively object, sitin, parade, etc., the governance will never change.
but active but nonviolent resistance might. thnx

]]> By: Ramsefall http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34599 Ramsefall Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:08:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34599 Pablo, that's some very colorful and apocalyptic speculation that you build your momentum on. I enjoyed your illustration, thanks. Thoreau's reliance on non-violent civil disobedience has demonstrated its effectualness through history, along with Gandhi as you accurately substantiate. Oppression is only opposed through intellect and conviction, it continues to be upheld through violence. The nation's security build-up in anticipation of the coming chaos, as you mention, should be an indication and concern for those residing in US borders. Since at least Katrina, we know that Blackwater has been contracted to "maintain the peace", and even mainstream media has made mention of the National Guard's recent preparation for its awaited, unconstitutional civil deployment. Community organizing/networking and inter-community relations are the key to easing chaos during this eventual collapse and the eventual adoption of truly democratic representation in government. Just the same, along Diana's line of thought regarding the spiritual, it's an ascension of consciousness that is needed in humanity, not simply better governments. Until mankind collectively ascends to a higher level of consciousness, violence, corruption, greed and inequality will continue be familiar byproducts of the system. Only when society as a whole has ascended well past our present barely-beyond-Neanderthalic state of existence, will we realize that humans can actually transcend the need for governance. People will instinctively understand their connection to the whole and the importance of its overall healthy existence, and will want to contribute toward that common desire. The whole is only as healthy as the parts which make it up, and as Krisnamurti said, "It's no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society." I'm sure you grasp the message. In short, our current level of collective consciousness (while it may be on a recent ascension) = dysfunction. A higher human consciousness = health and harmony. It's our communal, primal rooting at lower chakra levels which inhibits our potential as intelligent beings. Developing awareness is the only way to surpass our inherent shortcomings and propensity for aggression. Regardless, an excellent piece! Best to you. Pablo,

that’s some very colorful and apocalyptic speculation that you build your momentum on. I enjoyed your illustration, thanks.

Thoreau’s reliance on non-violent civil disobedience has demonstrated its effectualness through history, along with Gandhi as you accurately substantiate. Oppression is only opposed through intellect and conviction, it continues to be upheld through violence.

The nation’s security build-up in anticipation of the coming chaos, as you mention, should be an indication and concern for those residing in US borders. Since at least Katrina, we know that Blackwater has been contracted to “maintain the peace”, and even mainstream media has made mention of the National Guard’s recent preparation for its awaited, unconstitutional civil deployment.

Community organizing/networking and inter-community relations are the key to easing chaos during this eventual collapse and the eventual adoption of truly democratic representation in government.

Just the same, along Diana’s line of thought regarding the spiritual, it’s an ascension of consciousness that is needed in humanity, not simply better governments. Until mankind collectively ascends to a higher level of consciousness, violence, corruption, greed and inequality will continue be familiar byproducts of the system.

Only when society as a whole has ascended well past our present barely-beyond-Neanderthalic state of existence, will we realize that humans can actually transcend the need for governance. People will instinctively understand their connection to the whole and the importance of its overall healthy existence, and will want to contribute toward that common desire. The whole is only as healthy as the parts which make it up, and as Krisnamurti said, “It’s no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” I’m sure you grasp the message.

In short, our current level of collective consciousness (while it may be on a recent ascension) = dysfunction. A higher human consciousness = health and harmony. It’s our communal, primal rooting at lower chakra levels which inhibits our potential as intelligent beings. Developing awareness is the only way to surpass our inherent shortcomings and propensity for aggression.

Regardless, an excellent piece!

Best to you.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34583 bozh Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:01:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34583 john andrews, by necessity, there's got to be answers; many steps to a rule by all or almost all people. we'r not going anywhere w.o. a party; a party that wld stand resolutely for health care, higher education, broader education to obtain the widest vista possible and not the narowest possible. the wider the vista, the wiser one is. such a party may or may not stand for abolishion of war. what ought to be clear is that oligarcho-plutocratic class will never aid us for our children to obtain a broad and enlightening education. in fact, it'l fight us w. all means possible. so the way out may be in activists educating people on the street; who wld then pass their knowledge to friends and own children. and then build from this a power that wld equal or surpass that of plutocrats. history is clear on this: powers meet powers; powers lose or win. movements do not ever win. that's why US or plutos have a party; tho only party. r they gonna be stupid and have two? in US it wld mean having our people in the army, city police, fbi, cia; thus make the army, cia, fbi our cia, fbi, and army our army.... sorry, don't see any other ways. for instance one cannot have a democracy w.o. democrats. to obtain democrats, one has to educate people. msm media, schooling, entertaiment, advertising r spreading. disinformation, miseducation. that cannot produce dems; as intended. thnx john andrews,
by necessity, there’s got to be answers; many steps to a rule by all or almost all people.
we’r not going anywhere w.o. a party; a party that wld stand resolutely for health care, higher education, broader education to obtain the widest vista possible and not the narowest possible.
the wider the vista, the wiser one is.
such a party may or may not stand for abolishion of war.
what ought to be clear is that oligarcho-plutocratic class will never aid us for our children to obtain a broad and enlightening education.
in fact, it’l fight us w. all means possible.
so the way out may be in activists educating people on the street; who wld then pass their knowledge to friends and own children.
and then build from this a power that wld equal or surpass that of plutocrats.
history is clear on this: powers meet powers; powers lose or win.
movements do not ever win. that’s why US or plutos have a party; tho only party.
r they gonna be stupid and have two?
in US it wld mean having our people in the army, city police, fbi, cia; thus make the army, cia, fbi our cia, fbi, and army our army….
sorry, don’t see any other ways.
for instance one cannot have a democracy w.o. democrats. to obtain democrats, one has to educate people.
msm media, schooling, entertaiment, advertising r spreading. disinformation, miseducation.
that cannot produce dems; as intended. thnx

]]> By: john andrews http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34529 john andrews Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:58:25 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34529 Pablo, Free Democracy is a solution. www.freedemocrats.co.uk Pablo,

Free Democracy is a solution.

http://www.freedemocrats.co.uk

]]> By: The Angry Peasant http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34524 The Angry Peasant Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:50:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34524 This is a great article, and pretty much sums up where we are headed, and what the trod-upon should be doing about it. People need to be informed first, though, as most Americans, even the most gravely suffering ones, couldn't begin to fathom what we really are. Most people are still in the "something's not right here" stage, the "America's supposed to be the land of the free, the land of opportunity!" stage. When a majority of the lower classes finally find out, process, and accept that life is never going to improve from here on in for them, no matter who they think they had a hand in electing, that is when the staunch grassroots activism Mr. Ouziel envisions will materialize. Not until then. This is a great article, and pretty much sums up where we are headed, and what the trod-upon should be doing about it. People need to be informed first, though, as most Americans, even the most gravely suffering ones, couldn’t begin to fathom what we really are. Most people are still in the “something’s not right here” stage, the “America’s supposed to be the land of the free, the land of opportunity!” stage. When a majority of the lower classes finally find out, process, and accept that life is never going to improve from here on in for them, no matter who they think they had a hand in electing, that is when the staunch grassroots activism Mr. Ouziel envisions will materialize. Not until then.

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34494 Max Shields Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:42:20 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34494 Diane, What you describe is a luxury which is really the bottom line issue. Diane,

What you describe is a luxury which is really the bottom line issue.

]]> By: Diane http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34493 Diane Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:37:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34493 Pablo, an interesting analysis, but it seems to me, to rest on a decline into extreme poverty of the populations of the imperialist countries. I would suggest that the capitalist class has been veryclever to this point, in implementing measures to avoid this, particularly by transferring the burden to the third world. This I would also suggest, was achieved with the compliance of the majority of the working class in the imperialist counties. Again , to me, it is this complicity that has to be addressed. You are correct in assuming that collapse of working class living standards, will bring about revolt, but if the underlying causes of the complicity are not addressed, at the end of the crisis, it will be a return to the same old, same old. As an example, in Australia recently a current affairs program trotted out, the old and weary, people can get work if they want it, we should cut unemployment "benefits" (the language is already in place) after 6 months. Around the same time, my daughters father in law, informed me that the housing crisis was caused by people buying houses they could not afford. These points of view have evolved over the last two hundred years, based on social darwinism, they are deeply rooted in working class culture. This ideology will not necessarily be overturned by providing alternative media, which the Class is highly suspicious of. In the 60's and 70's I worked hard in revolutionary organsations, and I saw how at the end of the 70's in particular, people began to, as I put it, come in from out in the cold. This movement was pernicious and many of the best and brightest in the Left, were swept up by it. You see them now in their expensive suits, selling out the Class on a fairly constant basis. Me I held my ground, but followed my interest in the spiritual (not religious) I would have to see a big change in the life styles of the so called intellectuals (organic or otherwise) before I would be convinced to join them. Pablo,
an interesting analysis, but it seems to me, to rest on a decline into extreme poverty of the populations of the imperialist countries. I would suggest that the capitalist class has been veryclever to this point, in implementing measures to avoid this, particularly by transferring the burden to the third world. This I would also suggest, was achieved with the compliance of the majority of the working class in the imperialist counties.
Again , to me, it is this complicity that has to be addressed. You are correct in assuming that collapse of working class living standards, will bring about revolt, but if the underlying causes of the complicity are not addressed, at the end of the crisis, it will be a return to the same old, same old.
As an example, in Australia recently a current affairs program trotted out, the old and weary, people can get work if they want it, we should cut unemployment “benefits” (the language is already in place) after 6 months. Around the same time, my daughters father in law, informed me that the housing crisis was caused by people buying houses they could not afford.
These points of view have evolved over the last two hundred years, based on social darwinism, they are deeply rooted in working class culture. This ideology will not necessarily be overturned by providing alternative media, which the Class is highly suspicious of.
In the 60’s and 70’s I worked hard in revolutionary organsations, and I saw how at the end of the 70’s in particular, people began to, as I put it, come in from out in the cold. This movement was pernicious and many of the best and brightest in the Left, were swept up by it. You see them now in their expensive suits, selling out the Class on a fairly constant basis.
Me I held my ground, but followed my interest in the spiritual (not religious) I would have to see a big change in the life styles of the so called intellectuals (organic or otherwise) before I would be convinced to join them.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34487 Don Hawkins Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:26:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34487 Very “highly probable.” Very “highly probable.”

]]> By: Suthiano http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/witnessing-the-decay-of-western-hegemony-and-the-role-of-the-organic-intellectual/#comment-34480 Suthiano Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:44:52 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5619#comment-34480 Good article Pablo. Writing from Canada I fear that the military will be deployed in the streets before too long. The economy of Ontario is based largely on dealings with the U.S./ automobile construction... The number of unemployed people in Northern New York State, Michigan, and Southern Ontario is going to reach very large levels this year. Of course, our security is in the hands of NORTHCOM already, and our border is largely ficticious when it comes to internal "threats". A 7.5% unemployment rate by this point next year in the States is a conservative estimate. Even so, the result would be roughly 24 million unemployed in the U.S., which is bound to cause civil unrest. A visceral example of the economic woes in this region (New York/Michigan/Ontario) is a house for sale in a residential neighbourhood in Niagara Falls New York, located close to downtown. There there is a 2 story house, with a basement and an attic, a backyard, a front yard, and a garage, which has been up for sale for three quarters of a year, during which it has received only one visitor. The price of the home is $43,000. A factor making the home harder to sell is that the white neighbours do not want the new owner to be African American. .... hope and change are desperately needed, though they will be won only with the greatest of efforts. Good article Pablo.

Writing from Canada I fear that the military will be deployed in the streets before too long. The economy of Ontario is based largely on dealings with the U.S./ automobile construction… The number of unemployed people in Northern New York State, Michigan, and Southern Ontario is going to reach very large levels this year. Of course, our security is in the hands of NORTHCOM already, and our border is largely ficticious when it comes to internal “threats”.

A 7.5% unemployment rate by this point next year in the States is a conservative estimate. Even so, the result would be roughly 24 million unemployed in the U.S., which is bound to cause civil unrest.

A visceral example of the economic woes in this region (New York/Michigan/Ontario) is a house for sale in a residential neighbourhood in Niagara Falls New York, located close to downtown. There there is a 2 story house, with a basement and an attic, a backyard, a front yard, and a garage, which has been up for sale for three quarters of a year, during which it has received only one visitor. The price of the home is $43,000. A factor making the home harder to sell is that the white neighbours do not want the new owner to be African American.

…. hope and change are desperately needed, though they will be won only with the greatest of efforts.

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