Comments on: The Abduction, Secret Detention, Torture, and Repeated Raping of Aafia Siddiqui http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: SparkytheCabinetmaker http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-45979 SparkytheCabinetmaker Fri, 15 May 2009 19:26:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-45979 In the US one in 10 prisoners gets sexually assaulted or raped (hrw), rape and torture are standard operating proceedures used by governments everywhere. The irony is that torture methods arise, not out of some conspiratorial torture program, or out of the mind or this or that "bad" leader, but out of the normal course of "law enforcement" and "corrections". This was noted by CIA agents in a declassified report on torture techniques employed in the former USSR. US soldiers WERE routinely raping children and women in Iraqi prisons. Our little puppet army of Shiite filth was even worse, the US's former ally Sadaam Hussein was even worse. These things occur because we collectively allow powerful "leaders" the right to do as they please, rather than giving them the treatment that the Bourbon kings and their supporters got in the French Revolution. If you want to stop torture you need to start at the top, kill everyone involved, and work your way down to the bottom making sure none of the animals escape. We allowed these horrors to happen because we were too cowardly to rise up against filthy rotten tyrants and their rotten army. As a result, we have to live in a country run by the damn Pentagon and their "liberal" front man Obama. In the US one in 10 prisoners gets sexually assaulted or raped (hrw), rape and torture are standard operating proceedures used by governments everywhere. The irony is that torture methods arise, not out of some conspiratorial torture program, or out of the mind or this or that “bad” leader, but out of the normal course of “law enforcement” and “corrections”. This was noted by CIA agents in a declassified report on torture techniques employed in the former USSR. US soldiers WERE routinely raping children and women in Iraqi prisons. Our little puppet army of Shiite filth was even worse, the US’s former ally Sadaam Hussein was even worse. These things occur because we collectively allow powerful “leaders” the right to do as they please, rather than giving them the treatment that the Bourbon kings and their supporters got in the French Revolution.

If you want to stop torture you need to start at the top, kill everyone involved, and work your way down to the bottom making sure none of the animals escape.

We allowed these horrors to happen because we were too cowardly to rise up against filthy rotten tyrants and their rotten army. As a result, we have to live in a country run by the damn Pentagon and their “liberal” front man Obama.

]]> By: UNK http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-34688 UNK Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:57:02 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-34688 Are you all done patting each other on the ass? To suggest that Americans have instituted rape is ridiculous. The sources you sight for these allegations are all highly questionable, as are character references for Aafia. You all sneer at people for believing what the news tells them, yet you are willing to swallow this? The highest limit of American torture is so called water-boarding. American soldiers are subject to much worse "torture" during training. Israel has been invaded twice and subject to terrorist attacks almost daily. How are they barbarians? Because when they hit back they are much more effective? (More effective because they have modernized, unlike their Arab neighbors.) You all seem to forget that America and Israel have suffered grievous attacks that targeted civilians specifically. The U.S. and Israel would lose a lot less of their own citizens lives if they chose to wage unrestricted war on their enemies. Instead they take precautions to prevent civilian deaths.(Targeting those responsible through information operations.) Can you say the same of any "Muslim" country? There is always wrongdoing on an individual level. But to say that prisoners are routinely raped is outlandish. That being said, I am against any prisoner mistreatment. Are you all done patting each other on the ass? To suggest that Americans have instituted rape is ridiculous. The sources you sight for these allegations are all highly questionable, as are character references for Aafia.
You all sneer at people for believing what the news tells them, yet you are willing to swallow this? The highest limit of American torture is so called water-boarding. American soldiers are subject to much worse “torture” during training.
Israel has been invaded twice and subject to terrorist attacks almost daily. How are they barbarians? Because when they hit back they are much more effective? (More effective because they have modernized, unlike their Arab neighbors.) You all seem to forget that America and Israel have suffered grievous attacks that targeted civilians specifically. The U.S. and Israel would lose a lot less of their own citizens lives if they chose to wage unrestricted war on their enemies. Instead they take precautions to prevent civilian deaths.(Targeting those responsible through information operations.) Can you say the same of any “Muslim” country?
There is always wrongdoing on an individual level. But to say that prisoners are routinely raped is outlandish. That being said, I am against any prisoner mistreatment.

]]> By: swan http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-33988 swan Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:05:30 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-33988 This is the world we are forced to live in, a prison planet. These ruling evildoers must be rounded up and executed. Thanks to Mr. Lendman and all the commentatories. This is the world we are forced to live in, a prison planet. These ruling evildoers must be rounded up and executed. Thanks to Mr. Lendman and all the commentatories.

]]> By: kahar http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-33897 kahar Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:14:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-33897 Shabnam, none of the governments you mention act independently, they are all under the direction and control of the Anglo-American and Israeli barbarians. When Karimov of Uzbekistan boils children in oil as a gift to Bush and Blair's war of terror, or when georgia pummels south ossetia, or when Syria or Egypt or Ethiopia or Iraq torture people it is under the direction of the western barbarians. The BBC prior to the invasion of Iraq showed a wonderful report of the command and control heirarchy that had taken over northern Iraq, calling the shots at the top were the Israelis, countless of whom were already all over that country -- you hear nothing about them except brief mention that an Israeli participated in the torture at AbuGhraib, they are the invisible murderers and torturers that you will find all over the world. Shabnam, none of the governments you mention act independently, they are all under the direction and control of the Anglo-American and Israeli barbarians. When Karimov of Uzbekistan boils children in oil as a gift to Bush and Blair’s war of terror, or when georgia pummels south ossetia, or when Syria or Egypt or Ethiopia or Iraq torture people it is under the direction of the western barbarians. The BBC prior to the invasion of Iraq showed a wonderful report of the command and control heirarchy that had taken over northern Iraq, calling the shots at the top were the Israelis, countless of whom were already all over that country — you hear nothing about them except brief mention that an Israeli participated in the torture at AbuGhraib, they are the invisible murderers and torturers that you will find all over the world.

]]> By: Shabnam http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-33880 Shabnam Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:45:16 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-33880 Not only American s are involved in abduction, torture and killing of Muslims around the world but also other Western governments, Arab puppet head of States and Pakistan are involved in this operation on behalf of the empire. There are many cases like Dr. Aafia Siddiqui’s case around the world in secret places where only few of them have been revealed. A SWEDISH immigration lawyer, Kjell Jönsson, was on the phone to a client, asylum seeker Mohamed al-Zery from Egypt, on the afternoon of 18 December 2001. “Suddenly there was a voice coming in, saying to al-Zery to end the telephone conversation,” Jönsson recalls. “It was the Swedish police, who had arrested him.” Five hours after the arrest of al- Zery and another Egyptian, Ahmed Agiza, both were deported from Stockholm’s Brömma airport. There was a US plane at the airport, plus a team of US agents who, picked up the suspects, manacled their wrists and ankles, dressed them in orange overalls, drugged them and took them into the plane. When agreeing to the transfer of the prisoners to Egypt, Swedish government was given assurances that they will not be tortured, but according to Zery, he was tortured repeatedly for almost two months. “He was kept in a very cold, very small cell and he was beaten; and they put electrodes on all his sensitive parts of his body many times, under surveillance by a medical doctor.” He was tortured with the agreement of the US authorities. Al-Zery is freed but he is banned from leaving Egypt or from speaking openly about his time in prison. The confirmation that US agents were involved in the Swedish case provided the first concrete evidence that since 9/11 the US has been involved in organizing a worldwide traffic in prisoners. The CIA and other US agencies often use private executive jets to transfer prisoners. The case of an Australian suspect, Mamdouh Habib, also indicates that kidnapping and torture are also aimed at collecting 'confession,' which is extracted with torture. The case of a former coffee shop manager from Sydney, who was arrested in Pakistan a month after 9/11, is an evidence for this charge. After arrest, Mamdouh HabibHe was handed over to US agents who flew him to Cairo, where he was tortured for six months, according to his US lawyer, Professor Joe Margulies. Margulies says: “Mr Habib describes routine beatings.” He was taken into a room and handcuffed and the room was gradually filled with water until the water was just beneath his chin. On another occasion, he was suspended from a wall. “His feet rested on a drum with a metal bar through it. And when they passed an electric current on the drum he got a jolt of electricity and he had to move his feet, and he was left suspended by his hands. And it went on until he fainted.” Under this interrogation, Margulies, says, Habib confessed to his involvement with al-Qaeda and readily signed “every document they put in front of him”. After Margulies and others lodged public protests over his torture, Habib was freed from Guantánamo in January and flown to Australia, where the government said he would not be charged with any crime, although intelligence officials there continue to accuse him of involvement with al-Qaeda. Therefore, ‘confession’ is obtained under torture so they can ‘justify’ their crime against humanity and tell ignorant people that there is ‘Al Qaeda' where does not EXIST and Ben Laden who according to Benazir Bhutto and others is DEAD. Most prisoners are sent by US to the Middle Eastern countries for introgation. In case of Khaled al-Masri, a German citizen from Ulm who claimed he was kidnapped in Skopje, Macedonia, on 31 December 2003. He was flown three weeks later to Afghanistan and a US prison facility where, he was repeatedly beaten before being released four months later and dumped on a roadside in Albania. At first his claims seemed unbelievable, but flight logs I obtained from aviation sources show clear evidence that the CIA’s Boeing 737 transported him to Skopje on 23 January 2004. Such evidence could put the CIA in a difficult position with its German counterparts, who may be forced to treat the case as an illegal kidnap. Dr. Aafia Siddiqui like other Muslims detainees who have been kidnapped and tortured is innocent of the charges. She has been kidnapped and tortured to obtain ‘confession’ so they can keep the fools on their sides for the phony ‘war on terror.’ Dr. Siddiqui is the only female ‘al qaeda’ to show to ignorant people that not only Muslim men are terrorists but Muslim women are terrorists as well because their ‘culture’ breed violence. This does not go well with the image of Muslim women painted as passive and obedient by the western pundits. That's why they need Laura Bush to save them from the evil of their society. Aarifa Siddiqui was active in her community and this is a crime and act of terrorism if you are a Muslim. whereas, the killing of innocent civilians in their homes, at the wedding parties, grave yards, schools, hospitals by the occupiers is ‘legitimate’ under the phony ‘war on terror.’ Mr. Lendman Thank you for your article on a female victim of the phony ‘war on terror’ where has targeted mainly Mulsim communities around the world. Not only American s are involved in abduction, torture and killing of Muslims around the world but also other Western governments, Arab puppet head of States and Pakistan are involved in this operation on behalf of the empire. There are many cases like Dr. Aafia Siddiqui’s case around the world in secret places where only few of them have been revealed.
A SWEDISH immigration lawyer, Kjell Jönsson, was on the phone to a client, asylum seeker Mohamed al-Zery from Egypt, on the afternoon of 18 December 2001. “Suddenly there was a voice coming in, saying to al-Zery to end the telephone conversation,” Jönsson recalls. “It was the Swedish police, who had arrested him.”
Five hours after the arrest of al- Zery and another Egyptian, Ahmed Agiza, both were deported from Stockholm’s Brömma airport. There was a US plane at the airport, plus a team of US agents who, picked up the suspects, manacled their wrists and ankles, dressed them in orange overalls, drugged them and took them into the plane. When agreeing to the transfer of the prisoners to Egypt, Swedish government was given assurances that they will not be tortured, but according to Zery, he was tortured repeatedly for almost two months. “He was kept in a very cold, very small cell and he was beaten; and they put electrodes on all his sensitive parts of his body many times, under surveillance by a medical doctor.” He was tortured with the agreement of the US authorities. Al-Zery is freed but he is banned from leaving Egypt or from speaking openly about his time in prison. The confirmation that US agents were involved in the Swedish case provided the first concrete evidence that since 9/11 the US has been involved in organizing a worldwide traffic in prisoners. The CIA and other US agencies often use private executive jets to transfer prisoners.
The case of an Australian suspect, Mamdouh Habib, also indicates that kidnapping and torture are also aimed at collecting ‘confession,’ which is extracted with torture. The case of a former coffee shop manager from Sydney, who was arrested in Pakistan a month after 9/11, is an evidence for this charge.
After arrest, Mamdouh HabibHe was handed over to US agents who flew him to Cairo, where he was tortured for six months, according to his US lawyer, Professor Joe Margulies. Margulies says: “Mr Habib describes routine beatings.” He was taken into a room and handcuffed and the room was gradually filled with water until the water was just beneath his chin. On another occasion, he was suspended from a wall. “His feet rested on a drum with a metal bar through it. And when they passed an electric current on the drum he got a jolt of electricity and he had to move his feet, and he was left suspended by his hands. And it went on until he fainted.”
Under this interrogation, Margulies, says, Habib confessed to his involvement with al-Qaeda and readily signed “every document they put in front of him”. After Margulies and others lodged public protests over his torture, Habib was freed from Guantánamo in January and flown to Australia, where the government said he would not be charged with any crime, although intelligence officials there continue to accuse him of involvement with al-Qaeda.
Therefore, ‘confession’ is obtained under torture so they can ‘justify’ their crime against humanity and tell ignorant people that there is ‘Al Qaeda’ where does not EXIST and Ben Laden who according to Benazir Bhutto and others is DEAD.
Most prisoners are sent by US to the Middle Eastern countries for introgation.
In case of Khaled al-Masri, a German citizen from Ulm who claimed he was kidnapped in Skopje, Macedonia, on 31 December 2003. He was flown three weeks later to Afghanistan and a US prison facility where, he was repeatedly beaten before being released four months later and dumped on a roadside in Albania.
At first his claims seemed unbelievable, but flight logs I obtained from aviation sources show clear evidence that the CIA’s Boeing 737 transported him to Skopje on 23 January 2004. Such evidence could put the CIA in a difficult position with its German counterparts, who may be forced to treat the case as an illegal kidnap.
Dr. Aafia Siddiqui like other Muslims detainees who have been kidnapped and tortured is innocent of the charges. She has been kidnapped and tortured to obtain ‘confession’ so they can keep the fools on their sides for the phony ‘war on terror.’ Dr. Siddiqui is the only female ‘al qaeda’ to show to ignorant people that not only Muslim men are terrorists but Muslim women are terrorists as well because their ‘culture’ breed violence. This does not go well with the image of Muslim women painted as passive and obedient by the western pundits. That’s why they need Laura Bush to save them from the evil of their society. Aarifa Siddiqui was active in her community and this is a crime and act of terrorism if you are a Muslim. whereas, the killing of innocent civilians in their homes, at the wedding parties, grave yards, schools, hospitals by the occupiers is ‘legitimate’ under the phony ‘war on terror.’
Mr. Lendman Thank you for your article on a female victim of the phony ‘war on terror’ where has targeted mainly Mulsim communities around the world.

]]> By: kahar http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-33870 kahar Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:30:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-33870 Brian: "Appealing to a state to “stop torture” on the basis of it being anti-human is ridiculous." Appealing? There is something called International Law. In Britain large sums of money are handed out to institutions and universities that participate in investigating and prosecuting cases in Chechnya! When I ask the professors participating in this lucrative practice "why chechnya? why do you not investigate the crimes of torture and detention of your own government, or of its partners, in Iraq or Afghanistan?" they have no answer, because they are master crooks, they know full well that their work is not about helping victims but about using victims in a political game. Brian: “Appealing to a state to “stop torture” on the basis of it being anti-human is ridiculous.”

Appealing? There is something called International Law.

In Britain large sums of money are handed out to institutions and universities that participate in investigating and prosecuting cases in Chechnya! When I ask the professors participating in this lucrative practice “why chechnya? why do you not investigate the crimes of torture and detention of your own government, or of its partners, in Iraq or Afghanistan?” they have no answer, because they are master crooks, they know full well that their work is not about helping victims but about using victims in a political game.

]]> By: kahar http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-33869 kahar Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:16:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-33869 PeteV it just amazes me how people can make comments like you have. I will assume for your sake that you are very very stupid indeed and living in a small box which you never come out of, and not a sick minded fascist. There are likely millions undergoing torture at the hands of Americans, British and Israelis. The BBC was even proud to show even prior to the Iraq invasion that East European concentration camps were being built and readied by the Americans for the Iraqi pows, and from those Americans coming out of Iraq we are told that massive prisons are being built to house at least half a million, we also hear of the sickening state of Iraqi children's imprisonment in incredibly overcrowded conditions and inhumane conditions. And this is just what's happening to Iraqis. Pete, it is obvious from your comment that you do not want any emotion involved in articles on torture because you believe that such punishment is deserved by certain crimes. As you have lost your humanity it is necessary to speak to you as to a child and explain that torture is inhumane, illegal, immoral. We have criminals in power and they enjoy murdering and torturing innocent people, this is a fact. PeteV it just amazes me how people can make comments like you have. I will assume for your sake that you are very very stupid indeed and living in a small box which you never come out of, and not a sick minded fascist. There are likely millions undergoing torture at the hands of Americans, British and Israelis. The BBC was even proud to show even prior to the Iraq invasion that East European concentration camps were being built and readied by the Americans for the Iraqi pows, and from those Americans coming out of Iraq we are told that massive prisons are being built to house at least half a million, we also hear of the sickening state of Iraqi children’s imprisonment in incredibly overcrowded conditions and inhumane conditions. And this is just what’s happening to Iraqis. Pete, it is obvious from your comment that you do not want any emotion involved in articles on torture because you believe that such punishment is deserved by certain crimes. As you have lost your humanity it is necessary to speak to you as to a child and explain that torture is inhumane, illegal, immoral. We have criminals in power and they enjoy murdering and torturing innocent people, this is a fact.

]]> By: Brian Koontz http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-33775 Brian Koontz Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:40:44 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-33775 "Political advantage" is the key phrase in all of this. Human rights themselves are only undertaken by a state when it is politically advantageous. Torture is often done by states - the only time when it's not is when it's not *necessary*. Appealing to a state to "stop torture" on the basis of it being anti-human is ridiculous. Forcing a state to stop torture on the basis of the alternative being it's destruction is the only worthwhile procedure. “Political advantage” is the key phrase in all of this. Human rights themselves are only undertaken by a state when it is politically advantageous. Torture is often done by states – the only time when it’s not is when it’s not *necessary*. Appealing to a state to “stop torture” on the basis of it being anti-human is ridiculous. Forcing a state to stop torture on the basis of the alternative being it’s destruction is the only worthwhile procedure.

]]> By: deang http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-33773 deang Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:09:23 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-33773 "More dispassionate rhetoric" Pete V? A woman undergoes medical torture, sexual torture, psychological torture, physical torture, and more, all by Americans (who are doing the same thing to hundreds of others, by the way), and you want less passion so as not to seem biased? Fuck you. Typical American you are. “More dispassionate rhetoric” Pete V? A woman undergoes medical torture, sexual torture, psychological torture, physical torture, and more, all by Americans (who are doing the same thing to hundreds of others, by the way), and you want less passion so as not to seem biased? Fuck you. Typical American you are.

]]> By: Tree http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-33762 Tree Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:22:07 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-33762 I always knew in my heart Aafia had legitimate reasons for doing what she did. I just had no idea her reasons are so frightening and heartbreaking. What is there anyone can say? No words can express the horror. I always knew in my heart Aafia had legitimate reasons for doing what she did. I just had no idea her reasons are so frightening and heartbreaking. What is there anyone can say? No words can express the horror.

]]> By: Pete V http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-33755 Pete V Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:56:37 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-33755 Hyperbolic list of Bush atrocities as "Final Comment" and presupposition that this person was targeted only because of her Islamic faith/activism/"passion for the oppressed" betray an otherwise gutwrenching expose of terrible POW treatment by our own gov't. I think a more dispassionate rhetoric is called for when reporting on these things (earnest account, not reverse-propaganda with specious rhetoric). Otherwise one runs the risk of appearing to manipulate episodes of human tragedy to bolster a political bias. Hyperbolic list of Bush atrocities as “Final Comment” and presupposition that this person was targeted only because of her Islamic faith/activism/”passion for the oppressed” betray an otherwise gutwrenching expose of terrible POW treatment by our own gov’t.

I think a more dispassionate rhetoric is called for when reporting on these things (earnest account, not reverse-propaganda with specious rhetoric). Otherwise one runs the risk of appearing to manipulate episodes of human tragedy to bolster a political bias.

]]> By: RG the LG http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-33750 RG the LG Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:06:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-33750 The evil 'other' ... and I'm not surprised. I live in New Mexico ... one of those states blessed with a Japanese internment camp ... which would probably still have Japanese in them had the nation of Japan, under American imperial control, not been such a handy tool in the so-called cold war. Some days I can't say I am proud to be a citizen ... of this empire ... whether we live under darth Bush or darth Obama ... you see, the jury is still out. RG the LG (As a library guy, maybe I read way too much?) The evil ‘other’ … and I’m not surprised. I live in New Mexico … one of those states blessed with a Japanese internment camp … which would probably still have Japanese in them had the nation of Japan, under American imperial control, not been such a handy tool in the so-called cold war.

Some days I can’t say I am proud to be a citizen … of this empire … whether we live under darth Bush or darth Obama … you see, the jury is still out.

RG the LG

(As a library guy, maybe I read way too much?)

]]> By: giorgio http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/the-abduction-secret-detention-torture-and-repeated-raping-of-aafia-siddiqui/#comment-33746 giorgio Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:09:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5348#comment-33746 Well, what can one say in despair and disgust? The Gestapo, KGB is well, alive and living in the clothes of the FBI and Mossad.... As for Bush: throw another SHOE at him, but this time on target! Well, what can one say in despair and disgust?
The Gestapo, KGB is well, alive and living in the clothes of the FBI and Mossad….

As for Bush: throw another SHOE at him, but this time on target!

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