Comments on: Socialism for the USA http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:22:00 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Ramsefall http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33389 Ramsefall Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:11:45 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33389 bozh, so long as we're not raising Orwellian pigs. US education, a bitter oxymoron. Best to you. bozh,

so long as we’re not raising Orwellian pigs. US education, a bitter oxymoron.

Best to you.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33324 bozh Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:20:35 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33324 ramsefall, ur observations r correct. i'd just like to add that once the oldest profession (cheating/deceiving) took roots, lower/weaker classes were doomed to eternal serfdom. thus, what is happening in US today, had happened and is happening now all over the globe. since when? no one knows. nor r deceivers ab to provide funds to study their own usurpation of freedoms; enslavement/enserfment, etc. as i have said before, the idea is to raise pigs and not lambs; US' 'education' being more successful in this deception than any other empire is or had been. thnx ramsefall,
ur observations r correct.
i’d just like to add that once the oldest profession (cheating/deceiving) took roots, lower/weaker classes were doomed to eternal serfdom.
thus, what is happening in US today, had happened and is happening now all over the globe.
since when? no one knows. nor r deceivers ab to provide funds to study their own usurpation of freedoms; enslavement/enserfment, etc.
as i have said before, the idea is to raise pigs and not lambs; US’ ‘education’ being more successful in this deception than any other empire is or had been. thnx

]]> By: Ramsefall http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33314 Ramsefall Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:51:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33314 Golly bozh, free speech, what a novel idea! Dennis has his heart in the right place -- communal thinking with equality and balanced distribution of necessities with public ownership. It was a good read, no doubt. However, until corruption and greed are exposed to some advanced chemotherapy, they will continue to constitute the symbolic pair of human variables that makes any equation/system imbalanced beyond anything which could be construed as humanitarian. When embracing ethics, socially and environmentally, becomes a priority for all mankind, we might be able to develop a system/ism which effectively serves the whole. Until then... Best to all. Golly bozh,

free speech, what a novel idea!

Dennis has his heart in the right place — communal thinking with equality and balanced distribution of necessities with public ownership. It was a good read, no doubt.

However, until corruption and greed are exposed to some advanced chemotherapy, they will continue to constitute the symbolic pair of human variables that makes any equation/system imbalanced beyond anything which could be construed as humanitarian. When embracing ethics, socially and environmentally, becomes a priority for all mankind, we might be able to develop a system/ism which effectively serves the whole. Until then…

Best to all.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33313 Don Hawkins Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:31:27 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33313 The Hubble Telescope has captured an amazing glimpse of more than 100,000 stars moving about closely together in the M13 globular cluster some 25,000 light-years away. The ball of stars, which resembles a sparkling snow globe, has some of the oldest stars in the universe. Hummmm some of the oldest stars in the Universe. I wonder how old are they? Are they older than some stars I see on TV doing commercials for reverse mortgages? We must keep asking ourselves the hard questions. So how old are the starts in the Universe? Wait both kind of starts are in the same Universe. Ok the stars that are 25,000 light-years away. Are they 7 day's old or 8.000 years old or 12 to 13 billion years old. A hint it is a smaller number than was given to AIG for the big bailout and bigger than the number of policy makers it takes to screw in a light bulb. Democratic socialism. The Hubble Telescope has captured an amazing glimpse of more than 100,000 stars moving about closely together in the M13 globular cluster some 25,000 light-years away. The ball of stars, which resembles a sparkling snow globe, has some of the oldest stars in the universe.

Hummmm some of the oldest stars in the Universe. I wonder how old are they? Are they older than some stars I see on TV doing commercials for reverse mortgages? We must keep asking ourselves the hard questions. So how old are the starts in the Universe? Wait both kind of starts are in the same Universe. Ok the stars that are 25,000 light-years away. Are they 7 day’s old or 8.000 years old or 12 to 13 billion years old. A hint it is a smaller number than was given to AIG for the big bailout and bigger than the number of policy makers it takes to screw in a light bulb. Democratic socialism.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33306 Don Hawkins Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:11:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33306 I am very sure it is the only way that is if human civilization is to survive. Socialism Democratic socialism. I am going to change my comment name to Bob did anybody see the movie what about Bob it was very good. Bill Murray played Bob and Richard Dreyfuss played Dr. Leo Marvin. Remember the ending it was wonderful. On second thought Don is Ok. Bob Wiley: ...baby step onto the elevator... baby step into the elevator... I'm *in* the elevator. [doors close] Bob Wiley: AHHHHHHHHHHHH! Bob Wiley: Excuse me, Phil, but with these particular symptoms, is Prozac the right choice? Lily Marvin: You think Prozac is a mistake? Bob Wiley: Well, with this kind of manic episode, I would think Librium might be a more effective management tool. Phil: You could be right. I'll rewrite the prescription. Bob Wiley: [riding in Leo's car, speaking as Leo drives] It was an interesting morning, fruitful. But it lacked the intensity that you and I generate together, the sparks that we get one-on-one. We just gotta figure out a way to work around your schedule. Could we work afternoons? Two to four? Three to five? Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday? Dr. Leo Marvin: AHHHHHH! [slams the brakes, gets out of the car, walks around, and opens Bob's door] Bob Wiley: Are you saying you'd rather work mornings? I am very sure it is the only way that is if human civilization is to survive. Socialism Democratic socialism. I am going to change my comment name to Bob did anybody see the movie what about Bob it was very good. Bill Murray played Bob and Richard Dreyfuss played Dr. Leo Marvin. Remember the ending it was wonderful. On second thought Don is Ok.

Bob Wiley: …baby step onto the elevator… baby step into the elevator… I’m *in* the elevator.
[doors close]
Bob Wiley: AHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Bob Wiley: Excuse me, Phil, but with these particular symptoms, is Prozac the right choice?
Lily Marvin: You think Prozac is a mistake?
Bob Wiley: Well, with this kind of manic episode, I would think Librium might be a more effective management tool.
Phil: You could be right. I’ll rewrite the prescription.

Bob Wiley: [riding in Leo's car, speaking as Leo drives] It was an interesting morning, fruitful. But it lacked the intensity that you and I generate together, the sparks that we get one-on-one. We just gotta figure out a way to work around your schedule. Could we work afternoons? Two to four? Three to five? Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday?
Dr. Leo Marvin: AHHHHHH!
[slams the brakes, gets out of the car, walks around, and opens Bob's door]
Bob Wiley: Are you saying you’d rather work mornings?

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33303 bozh Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:40:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33303 ramsefal, have u forgotten free speech? let the speech go. talk ab anything; in whatever wise one wants. its ok to repeat a lesson or message as new readers may come along. i often iterate, also. thnx ramsefal,
have u forgotten free speech? let the speech go. talk ab anything; in whatever wise one wants.
its ok to repeat a lesson or message as new readers may come along.
i often iterate, also. thnx

]]> By: Ramsefall http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33298 Ramsefall Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:40:54 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33298 Don, with all due respect, instead of littering these discussions with your consistent environmental rambling on which is often completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, why not write something of your own innovation and get it posted/published, hell, start a blog for fuck's sake. Will nobody listen to you, is that the problem for your incessant talk about anything other than the article on which people comment? Sweet baby Jesus, help! Don,

with all due respect, instead of littering these discussions with your consistent environmental rambling on which is often completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, why not write something of your own innovation and get it posted/published, hell, start a blog for fuck’s sake. Will nobody listen to you, is that the problem for your incessant talk about anything other than the article on which people comment?

Sweet baby Jesus, help!

]]> By: John Greenwood http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33290 John Greenwood Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:47:59 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33290 What a ridiculous article. We'll be like Zimbawe if we follow Mr. Rahkonen's advice. No thanks What a ridiculous article. We’ll be like Zimbawe if we follow
Mr. Rahkonen’s advice. No thanks

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33288 Don Hawkins Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:33:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33288 Oh I forgot the Earth is getting colder and in some way's that is very true. Oh I forgot the Earth is getting colder and in some way’s that is very true.

]]> By: Alan L. Maki http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33287 Alan L. Maki Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:30:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33287 This Letter to the Editor was submitted to the Minneapolis Star Tribune for publication which refused to publish it. November 12, 2008 First Wall Street Bankers. Now the Big Three automakers. Who is coming for a handout and free lunch next? The lobbying industry? Maybe the health insurance companies will come looking for a "free lunch?" The government is prepared to let the St. Paul Ford Twin Cities Assembly Plant and two-thousand jobs go down the river because there was no money to save this one plant and now tax-payers are being told, not even asked, that they will be bailing out the entire auto industry. Obviously free enterprise has failed. Why should tax-payers bailout the Big Three when in a few months the price of each of the Big Three's stocks should be less than one-dollar a share. Tax-payers will have the opportunity to purchase the entire automotive industry for a real bargain for far less than what the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are costing us. A board consisting of all the stake-holders could be brought together and we could finally produce quality products which are environmentally friendly... not to mention affordable. Capitalism hasn't worked; socialism will. The Big Three cry poverty after they have taken the wealth created by North American workers and invested that wealth in quest of cheaper labor and resources overseas. I don't believe politicians would even consider turning over one penny to these greedy corporations without even having had the opportunity to see their books... all the books, including their international operations. What tax-payers finance, tax-payers should own. Nationalization under public ownership is the solution to the problems of the auto industry. The time has come to put People, Jobs and the Environment Before Corporate Profits! Alan L. Maki 58891 County Road 13 Warroad, Minnesota 56763 Phone: 218-386-2432 Cell phone: 651-587-5541 E-mail: amaki000@centurytel.net Check out my blog: Thoughts From Podunk http://thepodunkblog.blogspot.com/ This Letter to the Editor was submitted to the Minneapolis Star Tribune for publication which refused to publish it.

November 12, 2008

First Wall Street Bankers. Now the Big Three automakers. Who is coming for a handout and free lunch next? The lobbying industry? Maybe the health insurance companies will come looking for a “free lunch?”

The government is prepared to let the St. Paul Ford Twin Cities Assembly Plant and two-thousand jobs go down the river because there was no money to save this one plant and now tax-payers are being told, not even asked, that they will be bailing out the entire auto industry.

Obviously free enterprise has failed. Why should tax-payers bailout the Big Three when in a few months the price of each of the Big Three’s stocks should be less than one-dollar a share.

Tax-payers will have the opportunity to purchase the entire automotive industry for a real bargain for far less than what the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are costing us.

A board consisting of all the stake-holders could be brought together and we could finally produce quality products which are environmentally friendly… not to mention affordable.

Capitalism hasn’t worked; socialism will.

The Big Three cry poverty after they have taken the wealth created by North American workers and invested that wealth in quest of cheaper labor and resources overseas.

I don’t believe politicians would even consider turning over one penny to these greedy corporations without even having had the opportunity to see their books… all the books, including their international operations.

What tax-payers finance, tax-payers should own.

Nationalization under public ownership is the solution to the problems of the auto industry.

The time has come to put People, Jobs and the Environment Before Corporate Profits!

Alan L. Maki

58891 County Road 13

Warroad, Minnesota 56763

Phone: 218-386-2432

Cell phone: 651-587-5541

E-mail: amaki000@centurytel.net

Check out my blog:

Thoughts From Podunk

http://thepodunkblog.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33286 Don Hawkins Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:27:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33286 Rupert Murdoch, Prince, Bill Gates, Henry Kissinger, Meryl Streep, Paul McCartney, George Lucas, Dolly Parton, Quentin Tarantino. I picked these names from the 100 Smartest and probably could have put more to help human civilization last say another 50 years. Rupert is one of my favorite. Rupert Murdoch, Prince, Bill Gates, Henry Kissinger, Meryl Streep, Paul McCartney, George Lucas, Dolly Parton, Quentin Tarantino. I picked these names from the 100 Smartest and probably could have put more to help human civilization last say another 50 years. Rupert is one of my favorite.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33284 Don Hawkins Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:15:07 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33284 A big crowd of environmentalists gathered on the grass at Crissy Field on Saturday to send a message to world leaders gathered for climate talks in Poland. Organized by Greenpeace, the event brought about 300 people together to unfurl a banner that said, "Dear World Leaders, We Are Ready to Save the Climate." Event coordinators said they want to urge the United States to commit to finding ways to reduce global-warming pollution. A helicopter hovered over the huge postcard while a photographer hired by Greenpeace took aerial photos of the 30-by-50-foot banner. Organizers said the photo would be sent electronically today to the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change that is running until Friday in Poznan, Poland. SF Gate 300 people to save the climate and human civilization I guess that's enough with a new way of think. A big crowd of environmentalists gathered on the grass at Crissy Field on Saturday to send a message to world leaders gathered for climate talks in Poland. Organized by Greenpeace, the event brought about 300 people together to unfurl a banner that said, “Dear World Leaders, We Are Ready to Save the Climate.”

Event coordinators said they want to urge the United States to commit to finding ways to reduce global-warming pollution.
A helicopter hovered over the huge postcard while a photographer hired by Greenpeace took aerial photos of the 30-by-50-foot banner. Organizers said the photo would be sent electronically today to the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change that is running until Friday in Poznan, Poland. SF Gate

300 people to save the climate and human civilization I guess that’s enough with a new way of think.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33283 Don Hawkins Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:01:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33283 Anybody have some people who just maybe could have been on the list? Anybody have some people who just maybe could have been on the list?

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33282 Don Hawkins Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:57:06 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33282 The smartest people in the World we call Earth. I have questions? The top 100 living geniuses was compiled by a panel of six experts in creativity and innovation from Creators Synectics, a global consultants firm. The company emailed 4,000 Britons this summer and asked them to nominate up to 10 living people who they considered geniuses. Each genius was then awarded scores out of ten against criteria which included: paradigm shifting; popular acclaim; intellectual power; achievement and cultural importance. 1=Albert Hoffman(Swiss)Chemist27 1=Tim Berners-Lee(British)Computer Scientist27 3George Soros(American)Investor & Philanthropist25 4Matt Groening(American)Satirist & Animator24 5=Nelson Mandela(South African)Politician & Diplomat23 5=Frederick Sanger(British)Chemist23 7=Dario Fo(Italian)Writer & Dramatist22 7=Steven Hawking(British)Physicist22 9=Oscar Niemeyer(Brazilian)Architect21 9=Philip Glass(American)Composer21 9=Grigory Perelman(Russian)Mathematician21 12=Andrew Wiles(British)Mathematician20 12=Li Hongzhi(Chinese)Spiritual Leader20 12=Ali Javan(Iranian)Engineer20 15=Brian Eno(British)Composer19 15=Damian Hirst(British)Artist19 15=Daniel Tammet(British)Savant & Linguist19 18Nicholson Baker(AmericanWriter18 19Daniel Barenboim(N/A)Musician17 20=Robert Crumb(American)Artist16 20= Richard Dawkins(British)Biologist and philosopher16 20=Larry Page & Sergey Brin(American)Publishers16 20=Rupert Murdoch(American)Publisher16 20= Geoffrey Hill(British)Poet16 25Garry Kasparov(Russian)Chess Player15 26=The Dalai Lama(Tibetan)Spiritual Leader14 26=Steven Spielberg(American)Film maker14 26=Hiroshi Ishiguro(Japanese)Roboticist14 26=Robert Edwards(British)Pioneer of IVF treatment14 26=Seamus Heaney(Irish)Poet14 31Harold Pinter(British)Writer & Dramatist13 32=Flossie Wong-Staal(Chinese)Bio-technologist12 32=Bobby Fischer(American)Chess Player12 32=Prince(American)Musician12 32=Henrik Gorecki(Polish)Composer12 32= Avram Noam Chomski(American)Philosopher & linguist12 32=Sebastian Thrun(German)Probabilistic roboticist12 32=Nima Arkani Hamed(Canadian)Physicist12 32=Margaret Turnbull(American)Astrobiologist12 40=Elaine Pagels(American)Historian11 40=Enrique Ostrea(Philippino)Pediatrics & neonatology11 40=Gary Becker(American)Economist11 43=Mohammed Ali(American)Boxer10 43=Osama Bin Laden(Saudi)Islamicist10 43=Bill Gates(American)Businessman10 43=Philip Roth(American)Writer10 43=James West(American)Invented the foil electrical microphone10 43= Tuan Vo-Dinh(Vietnamese)Bio-Medical Scientist 10 49=Brian Wilson(American)Musician9 49=Stevie Wonder(American)Singer songwriter9 49=Vint Cerf(American)Computer scientist9 49=Henry Kissinger(American)Diplomat and politician9 49=Richard Branson(British)Publicist9 49=Pardis Sabeti(Iranian)Biological anthropologist9 49=Jon de Mol(Dutch)Television producer9 49=Meryl Streep (American)Actress9 49=Margaret Attwood(Canadian)Writer9 58=Placido Domingo(Spanish)Singer8 58=John Lasseter(American)Digital Animator8 58=Shunpei Yamazaki(Japanese)Computer scientist & physicist8 58=Jane Goodall(British)Ethologist & Anthropologist8 58=Kirti Narayan Chaudhuri(Indian)Historian8 58=John Goto(British)Photographer8 58=Paul McCartney(British)Musician8 58=Stephen King(American)Writer8 58=Leonard Cohen(American)Poet & musician8 67=Aretha Franklin(American)Musician7 67=David Bowie(British)Musician7 67=Emily Oster(American)Economist7 67=Steve Wozniak(American)Engineer and co-founder of Apple Computers7 67=Martin Cooper(American)Inventor of the cell phone7 72=George Lucas(American)Film maker6 72=Niles Rogers(American)Musician6 72=Hans Zimmer(German)Composer6 72=John Williams(American)Composer6 72=Annette Baier(New Zealander)Philosopher6 72=Dorothy Rowe(British)Psychologist6 72=Ivan Marchuk(Ukrainian)Artist & sculptor6 72= Robin Escovado(American)Composer6 72=Mark Dean(American)Inventor & computer scientist6 72=Rick Rubin (American)Musician & producer6 72=Stan Lee(American)Publisher6 83=David Warren(Australian)Engineer5 83=Jon Fosse(Norwegian)Writer & dramatist 83=Gjertrud Schnackenberg(American)Poet5 83=Graham Linehan(Irish)Writer & dramatist5 83=JK Rowling(British)Writer5 83= Ken Russell(British)Film maker5 83=Mikhail Timofeyevich Kalashnikov(Russian)Small arms designer5 83=Erich Jarvis(American)Neurobiologist5 91=. Chad Varah(British)Founder of Samaritans4 91=Nicolas Hayek(Swiss)Businessman and founder of Swatch4 91=Alastair Hannay(British)Philosopher4 94=Patricia Bath(American)Ophthalmologist 94=Thomas A. Jackson (American)Aerospace engineer 3 94=Dolly Parton(American)Singer 3 94=Morissey(British)Singer3 94=Michael Eavis(British)Organiser of Glastonbury 3 94=Ranulph Fiennes(British)Adventurer 3 100=. Quentin Tarantino(American) Filmmaker2 The smartest people in the World we call Earth. I have questions?
The top 100 living geniuses was compiled by a panel of six experts in creativity and innovation from Creators Synectics, a global consultants firm.

The company emailed 4,000 Britons this summer and asked them to nominate up to 10 living people who they considered geniuses.

Each genius was then awarded scores out of ten against criteria which included: paradigm shifting; popular acclaim; intellectual power; achievement and cultural importance.

1=Albert Hoffman(Swiss)Chemist27
1=Tim Berners-Lee(British)Computer Scientist27
3George Soros(American)Investor & Philanthropist25
4Matt Groening(American)Satirist & Animator24
5=Nelson Mandela(South African)Politician & Diplomat23
5=Frederick Sanger(British)Chemist23
7=Dario Fo(Italian)Writer & Dramatist22
7=Steven Hawking(British)Physicist22
9=Oscar Niemeyer(Brazilian)Architect21
9=Philip Glass(American)Composer21
9=Grigory Perelman(Russian)Mathematician21
12=Andrew Wiles(British)Mathematician20
12=Li Hongzhi(Chinese)Spiritual Leader20
12=Ali Javan(Iranian)Engineer20
15=Brian Eno(British)Composer19
15=Damian Hirst(British)Artist19
15=Daniel Tammet(British)Savant & Linguist19
18Nicholson Baker(AmericanWriter18
19Daniel Barenboim(N/A)Musician17
20=Robert Crumb(American)Artist16
20= Richard Dawkins(British)Biologist and philosopher16
20=Larry Page & Sergey Brin(American)Publishers16
20=Rupert Murdoch(American)Publisher16
20= Geoffrey Hill(British)Poet16
25Garry Kasparov(Russian)Chess Player15
26=The Dalai Lama(Tibetan)Spiritual Leader14
26=Steven Spielberg(American)Film maker14
26=Hiroshi Ishiguro(Japanese)Roboticist14
26=Robert Edwards(British)Pioneer of IVF treatment14
26=Seamus Heaney(Irish)Poet14
31Harold Pinter(British)Writer & Dramatist13
32=Flossie Wong-Staal(Chinese)Bio-technologist12
32=Bobby Fischer(American)Chess Player12
32=Prince(American)Musician12
32=Henrik Gorecki(Polish)Composer12
32= Avram Noam Chomski(American)Philosopher & linguist12
32=Sebastian Thrun(German)Probabilistic roboticist12
32=Nima Arkani Hamed(Canadian)Physicist12
32=Margaret Turnbull(American)Astrobiologist12
40=Elaine Pagels(American)Historian11
40=Enrique Ostrea(Philippino)Pediatrics & neonatology11
40=Gary Becker(American)Economist11
43=Mohammed Ali(American)Boxer10
43=Osama Bin Laden(Saudi)Islamicist10
43=Bill Gates(American)Businessman10
43=Philip Roth(American)Writer10
43=James West(American)Invented the foil electrical microphone10
43= Tuan Vo-Dinh(Vietnamese)Bio-Medical Scientist 10
49=Brian Wilson(American)Musician9
49=Stevie Wonder(American)Singer songwriter9
49=Vint Cerf(American)Computer scientist9
49=Henry Kissinger(American)Diplomat and politician9
49=Richard Branson(British)Publicist9
49=Pardis Sabeti(Iranian)Biological anthropologist9
49=Jon de Mol(Dutch)Television producer9
49=Meryl Streep (American)Actress9
49=Margaret Attwood(Canadian)Writer9
58=Placido Domingo(Spanish)Singer8
58=John Lasseter(American)Digital Animator8
58=Shunpei Yamazaki(Japanese)Computer scientist & physicist8
58=Jane Goodall(British)Ethologist & Anthropologist8
58=Kirti Narayan Chaudhuri(Indian)Historian8
58=John Goto(British)Photographer8
58=Paul McCartney(British)Musician8
58=Stephen King(American)Writer8
58=Leonard Cohen(American)Poet & musician8
67=Aretha Franklin(American)Musician7
67=David Bowie(British)Musician7
67=Emily Oster(American)Economist7
67=Steve Wozniak(American)Engineer and co-founder of Apple Computers7
67=Martin Cooper(American)Inventor of the cell phone7
72=George Lucas(American)Film maker6
72=Niles Rogers(American)Musician6
72=Hans Zimmer(German)Composer6
72=John Williams(American)Composer6
72=Annette Baier(New Zealander)Philosopher6
72=Dorothy Rowe(British)Psychologist6
72=Ivan Marchuk(Ukrainian)Artist & sculptor6
72= Robin Escovado(American)Composer6
72=Mark Dean(American)Inventor & computer scientist6
72=Rick Rubin (American)Musician & producer6
72=Stan Lee(American)Publisher6
83=David Warren(Australian)Engineer5
83=Jon Fosse(Norwegian)Writer & dramatist
83=Gjertrud Schnackenberg(American)Poet5
83=Graham Linehan(Irish)Writer & dramatist5
83=JK Rowling(British)Writer5
83= Ken Russell(British)Film maker5
83=Mikhail Timofeyevich Kalashnikov(Russian)Small arms designer5
83=Erich Jarvis(American)Neurobiologist5
91=. Chad Varah(British)Founder of Samaritans4
91=Nicolas Hayek(Swiss)Businessman and founder of Swatch4
91=Alastair Hannay(British)Philosopher4
94=Patricia Bath(American)Ophthalmologist
94=Thomas A. Jackson (American)Aerospace engineer 3
94=Dolly Parton(American)Singer 3
94=Morissey(British)Singer3
94=Michael Eavis(British)Organiser of Glastonbury 3
94=Ranulph Fiennes(British)Adventurer 3
100=. Quentin Tarantino(American) Filmmaker2

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33273 Deadbeat Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:45:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33273 <i>Barack Obama may put forth a new New Deal, and the relief it would give hard-pressed Americans would be most welcome. However, there are those who feel, with strong reason, that the present crisis will be even more devastating, and longer, than the original Great Depression.</i> I haven't checked the data so may comments is based on a supposition. The reason why the current situation is worst than the Great Depression, IMO, is due to the how the working class has come to embrace capitalism since the end of WWII. I don't think the working class was faced with this level of indebtedness to their bosses coming out of the 1920. In addition the level of conscientiousness against Capitalism was strong in the 1930's. These two factors is why IMO the solution coming from the government will be inadequate. None of the proposed solution will embrace debt forgiveness. IMO the Left should take the lead on debt forgiveness for the ordinary worker just like the Left demand debt forgiveness for third world nations. This again is one of those opportunities whereby if the Left can lead on this "everyday" issue faced by U.S. workers the Left can educate the masses on the larger issue of "global" capitalism. Right now there is a desire by the ruling class to save the system but the New Deal "solutions" of fiscal stimulus IMO, will not work this time around. Barack Obama may put forth a new New Deal, and the relief it would give hard-pressed Americans would be most welcome. However, there are those who feel, with strong reason, that the present crisis will be even more devastating, and longer, than the original Great Depression.

I haven’t checked the data so may comments is based on a supposition. The reason why the current situation is worst than the Great Depression, IMO, is due to the how the working class has come to embrace capitalism since the end of WWII.

I don’t think the working class was faced with this level of indebtedness to their bosses coming out of the 1920. In addition the level of conscientiousness against Capitalism was strong in the 1930’s. These two factors is why IMO the solution coming from the government will be inadequate. None of the proposed solution will embrace debt forgiveness. IMO the Left should take the lead on debt forgiveness for the ordinary worker just like the Left demand debt forgiveness for third world nations. This again is one of those opportunities whereby if the Left can lead on this “everyday” issue faced by U.S. workers the Left can educate the masses on the larger issue of “global” capitalism.

Right now there is a desire by the ruling class to save the system but the New Deal “solutions” of fiscal stimulus IMO, will not work this time around.

]]> By: Jeremy Wells http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33269 Jeremy Wells Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:16:43 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33269 "Must we wait for radicalizing consciousness to emerge only after we’re all destitute and probably homeless?" Destitute and homeless conditions do not inevitably point masses to a socialist direction. More than likely in the U.S. under present conditions, a form of fascism would emerge, as it did after WWI in Europe. In this country, the vast majority - the working class - are the victims of capitalism. The "unsuccessful" are forever blamed for their impoverished condition. Many non-white "revolutionary" groups blame white racism for their condition, refusing to consider capitalist class war as the root cause. Perhaps the Obama presidency will end this delusion of blaming the white race for the vast destruction taking place caused by capitalism. But Obama-mania runs deep. Check out the World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org to understand, at least for yourself, what an international and socialist perspective actually is all about. On-line daily, free 6 days a week, for over ten years. Sponsored by the Socialist Equality Party http://www.socialequality.com “Must we wait for radicalizing consciousness to emerge only after we’re all destitute and probably homeless?”

Destitute and homeless conditions do not inevitably point masses to a socialist direction. More than likely in the U.S. under present conditions, a form of fascism would emerge, as it did after WWI in Europe.

In this country, the vast majority – the working class – are the victims of capitalism. The “unsuccessful” are forever blamed for their impoverished condition. Many non-white “revolutionary” groups blame white racism for their condition, refusing to consider capitalist class war as the root cause.

Perhaps the Obama presidency will end this delusion of blaming the white race for the vast destruction taking place caused by capitalism. But Obama-mania runs deep.

Check out the World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org to understand, at least for yourself, what an international and socialist perspective actually is all about. On-line daily, free 6 days a week, for over ten years. Sponsored by the Socialist Equality Party http://www.socialequality.com

]]> By: Glenn http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33266 Glenn Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:30:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33266 Thanks Dennis. It indeen seems true that the ideal way to operate our society, including the economic sphere, would be to work for the benefit of all. However, there is a selfishness in man that is impossible to deny; that turn to dust our best efforts at forming such a society. It seems to me as a Christian that the only way such a society could exist is if we ALL were united in our values and care for each other, and such a path requires a united faith. And John, this world is so full of noise, of conflicting messages, that people become easily mislead. Please do not confuse Christianity with the deceived acts of man. "Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." 1 John 4:7-8 Many people do things in the name of God. But search first their motives. And don't seek or expect perfection on this earth, because you wont find it. A final comment: one of the greatest impediments to justice on this earth is patriotism. It is one of the most powerful tools of control political leaders have at their fingertips, that pits nation against nation in ignorance, and prevents us from sharing and giving and helping. An expression of selfishness writ large. Thanks Dennis.
It indeen seems true that the ideal way to operate our society, including the economic sphere, would be to work for the benefit of all.
However, there is a selfishness in man that is impossible to deny; that turn to dust our best efforts at forming such a society.
It seems to me as a Christian that the only way such a society could exist is if we ALL were united in our values and care for each other, and such a path requires a united faith.

And John, this world is so full of noise, of conflicting messages, that people become easily mislead. Please do not confuse Christianity with the deceived acts of man. “Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.” 1 John 4:7-8

Many people do things in the name of God. But search first their motives. And don’t seek or expect perfection on this earth, because you wont find it.

A final comment: one of the greatest impediments to justice on this earth is patriotism. It is one of the most powerful tools of control political leaders have at their fingertips, that pits nation against nation in ignorance, and prevents us from sharing and giving and helping. An expression of selfishness writ large.

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33265 Lloyd Rowsey Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:33:08 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33265 The modern world has been under an ocean of capitalism for at least 500 years, with islands of non-capitalism rising up occasionally, demonstrating that "it need not be so." But to judge the nature of a modern world without capitalism by the nature of these islands, is to predict the nature of the continents from islands. The modern world has been under an ocean of capitalism for at least 500 years, with islands of non-capitalism rising up occasionally, demonstrating that “it need not be so.” But to judge the nature of a modern world without capitalism by the nature of these islands, is to predict the nature of the continents from islands.

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33258 Lloyd Rowsey Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:47:41 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33258 "Or will we now clean socialism of the vilifying mud that’s been long thrown against it, and appreciatively recognize it as our only, true salvation?" Why don't you try answering your own totally vacuous question, Dennis? Where is an example of socialism, now or throughout history, in your humble if poetic imagination? I'll even throw in the "emergency governments" of some 20th century nations during wartime. But no, they were run by and for capitalists. Or do you speak of communes and such, things below nation-state level, during this, last, and every century since l-o-n-g before capitalism arose, in, what the 15th century? Or perhaps in the 19th century, could your historical ignorance be so complete that you think a socialist country existed then? What you are evidently recognizing as "our own true salvation" has as much historical reality as the kingdom-come of religious devotees. By which we recognize them for their sincerity and devotion, but then we shake our heads when contemplating this world, its atrocities, and possible change. “Or will we now clean socialism of the vilifying mud that’s been long thrown against it, and appreciatively recognize it as our only, true salvation?”

Why don’t you try answering your own totally vacuous question, Dennis? Where is an example of socialism, now or throughout history, in your humble if poetic imagination? I’ll even throw in the “emergency governments” of some 20th century nations during wartime. But no, they were run by and for capitalists. Or do you speak of communes and such, things below nation-state level, during this, last, and every century since l-o-n-g before capitalism arose, in, what the 15th century? Or perhaps in the 19th century, could your historical ignorance be so complete that you think a socialist country existed then?

What you are evidently recognizing as “our own true salvation” has as much historical reality as the kingdom-come of religious devotees. By which we recognize them for their sincerity and devotion, but then we shake our heads when contemplating this world, its atrocities, and possible change.

]]> By: John Hatch http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/socialism-for-the-usa/#comment-33247 John Hatch Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:56:38 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5134#comment-33247 I found it instructive that when Mr. Obama spoke of 'sharing the wealth' with the middle class (through a modest tax cut), there were outraged howls. Socialism! But when the banksters need a trillion and the automakers need billions, that's simply an 'adjustment'. Well that's what one can expect of a nation of 'Christians' which sees nothing wrong with invasion, torture, and murder. Nuts! I found it instructive that when Mr. Obama spoke of ’sharing the wealth’ with the middle class (through a modest tax cut), there were outraged howls. Socialism!

But when the banksters need a trillion and the automakers need billions, that’s simply an ‘adjustment’.

Well that’s what one can expect of a nation of ‘Christians’ which sees nothing wrong with invasion, torture, and murder.

Nuts!

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