I’m half way thru it…gives me the creeps….

have fun

itis a big deal, to me, giorgio as caving in may signify that also presbyterian church is minizionistic.
i do not recognize state of isr.

ab finkelstein. afaik, he also may be a mini zionist. ‘jews’ who criticize isr may still love isr. i do not. i hate isr. it has no moral nor leagl right to exist. thnx

As for why ” presbetyrian church nuckled under zionist pressure.” is quite obvious from my original quote. Want more info? get it from the horse’s mouth: Paul C Roberts himself.
email: moc.oohaynull@streboRgiarCluaP

we need more input on the fact that presbetyrian church nuckled under zionist pressure.
we need to know how it caved in and what were caustive factors for giving in.

I would also posit that it would be fair to ask the question, “Is Gaza a modern day Warsaw Ghetto?”
If that is so, then it is the right of every resident in Gaza to follow in the footsteps of Mordecai Anielewicz and others, as they led Jewish resistance against the Nazis.

One is not a self-hating Jew to be for Palestine but one who epitomizes the Jewish ethos.

But here is a far bettet answer by Paul C Roberts titled :

AMERICA’S CRIMES “NEVER HAPPENED”
in today’s Counterpunch.org

Here some quotes:

In 2006 the US insisted that the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank hold free elections. When free elections were held, Hamas won. This was unacceptable to the Americans and Israelis. In the West Bank, the Americans and Israelis imposed a puppet government, but Hamas held on in Gaza. After unheeded warnings to the Gazans to rid themselves of Hamas and accept a puppet government, Israel has decided to destroy the freely elected government with violence.

For the US and UK governments, Israel can do no wrong. Israel doesn’t have to stop withholding food, medicine, water, and energy, but Hamas must stop protesting by firing off rockets. In violation of international law, Israel can drive West Bank Palestinians off their lands and out of their villages and give the stolen properties to “settlers.” Israel can delay Palestinians in need of emergency medical care at checkpoints until their lives ebb away. Israeli snipers can get their jollies murdering Palestinian children.

The Great Moral Anglo-Americans couldn’t care less.

In his 2005 Nobel Lecture, British playwright Harold Pinter held the United States and its British puppet state accountable for “the systematic brutality, the widespread atrocities, the ruthless suppression of independent thought.” Everyone knows that such crimes occurred in the Soviet Union and in its East European empire, but “US crimes in the same period have only been superficially recorded, let alone documented, let alone acknowledged, let alone recognized as crimes at all,” this despite the fact that “the United States’ actions throughout the world made it clear that it had concluded it had carte blanche to do what it liked.”

Soviet crimes, like Nazi ones, are documented in gruesome detail, but America’s crimes “never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest. The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.”

Pinter presents a long list of American crimes and comes to Iraq: “The invasion of Iraq was a bandit act, an act of blatant state terrorism, demonstrating absolute contempt for the concept of international law. The invasion was . . . an act intended to consolidate American military and economic control of the Middle East masquerading–as a last resort–all other justifications having failed to justify themselves–as liberation.” Americans and their British puppets “have brought torture, cluster bombs, depleted uranium, innumerable acts of random murder, misery, degradation and death to the Iraqi people and call it ‘bringing freedom and democracy to the Middle East.”

“How many people do you have to kill before you qualify to be described as a mass murderer and a war criminal?” Pinter’s question can also be asked of Israel.

American evangelical Christians, who are degenerating into Zionists, are Israel’s greatest allies. Jesus is forsaken as Christians swallow whole the Israeli lies. A couple of years ago the US Presbyterian Church was so distressed by Israel’s immorality toward Palestinians that the church attempted to disinvest its investment portfolio from assets tainted with Israel. But the Israel Lobby was stronger. The Presbyterian Church was unable to stand up for Christian principles and knuckled under to the Israel Lobby’s pressure.

Pinter sums it up in a speech he had dreams of writing for President George W. Bush:

“God is good. God is great. God is good. My God is good. Bin Laden’s God is bad. His is a bad God. Saddam’s God was bad, except he didn’t have one. He was a barbarian. We are not barbarians. We don’t chop people’s heads off. We believe in freedom. So does God. I am not a barbarian. I am the democratically elected leader of a freedom-loving democracy. We are a compassionate society. We give compassionate electrocution and compassionate lethal injection. We are a great nation. I am not a dictator. He is. I am not a barbarian. He is. And he is. They all are. I possess moral authority. You see this fist? This is my moral authority. And don’t you forget it.”

If only our ears could hear, this is the speech we have been hearing from Israel for 60 years.

END of QUOTES

Now this message mainly for Naftali:

We barely less than 48 hrs from entering a New Year. I mean here the Christian one, of course. Why not use this momentous occasion to flush out the SLUDGE between your ears and replace it with REAL GREY MATTER, finely circuited, and step into 2009 with a BRAIN doing its job the way it was created to do?

HAPPY (CHRISTIAN) NEW YEAR TO ALL in DV!!!!

Haaretz reported long ago that Israeli soldiers occupying Ramallah “destroyed children’s paintings”, “urinated and defecated everywhere” even “managing to defecate into a photocopier”- no doubt with “great pain and anguish” ….
Referring to this incident, Amira Hass later raised the question: “Do they think that Jewish shit is holier than everybody elses?”

Now, please, excuse me. It’s time for me to defecate, too!