Comments on: Obama and the World Crisis http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/obama-and-the-world-crisis/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Ramsefall http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/obama-and-the-world-crisis/#comment-33427 Ramsefall Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:19:27 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5177#comment-33427 Deadbeat, your point about the Left focusing more on oil which inarguably does play an important geo-strategic part in the big picture, rather than the banking/finance system, may be exactly why the carteleros have been able to get away with the recent grand give away. Underestimating the recent behavior in response to modernity's duplication of the train wreck of 1929, while fixated on the oil issue, has facilitated nearly uncontested ease for the bankers who are making out like thieves in the night, and who will consequentially have the means by which to finance their perpetual military expansion. Or, chicken little's sky could collapse and beat us all to the punch. Who knows? Fortunately, I don't preoccupy myself with not having my expectations fulfilled by Abamo for two reasons: A) I don't have expectations of Abamo or anyone in Washington (politics) since politicians aren't schooled in the art of problem solving to begin with, and B) the only person do I expect anything of is the guy I see in the mirror. Best to you. Deadbeat,

your point about the Left focusing more on oil which inarguably does play an important geo-strategic part in the big picture, rather than the banking/finance system, may be exactly why the carteleros have been able to get away with the recent grand give away. Underestimating the recent behavior in response to modernity’s duplication of the train wreck of 1929, while fixated on the oil issue, has facilitated nearly uncontested ease for the bankers who are making out like thieves in the night, and who will consequentially have the means by which to finance their perpetual military expansion.

Or, chicken little’s sky could collapse and beat us all to the punch. Who knows?

Fortunately, I don’t preoccupy myself with not having my expectations fulfilled by Abamo for two reasons: A) I don’t have expectations of Abamo or anyone in Washington (politics) since politicians aren’t schooled in the art of problem solving to begin with, and B) the only person do I expect anything of is the guy I see in the mirror.

Best to you.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/obama-and-the-world-crisis/#comment-33351 bozh Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:36:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5177#comment-33351 cook's comments ab ex-yugoslavia may mislead many. he uses the word "balkanization", methinks, in a dysphemistic way. so did bismarck. there is nothing wrong w. slovenes, croats, montenegrins, macedonians, bosnians, and serbs wanting their respective independence. west, along w. russia, was strong supporter of yugoslavia right from its setup in '19. and even during serb invasions of slovenia, croatia, and bosnia; until ca '94. west then changed its mind. but even w.o. its change of heart, yugoslavia was broken up. it had been a lame duck from begining as serbs only wanted greater serbia because some serbs settled in croatian towns and regions in the 17th cent, w. permission from austria as it was along w. poles, czechs, slovaks, wallachs, hungarians, germans, slovenes, rumanians, and croats fighting off ottoman empire. around that time, hungary entirely disappeared; of croatia only remnants remained. still, croats have bitterly opposed immigration of so many serbs. more cld be said. i suggest cook study history of the balkan people before he makes inaccurate/inadequate commnts ab it. yhnx cook’s comments ab ex-yugoslavia may mislead many. he uses the word “balkanization”, methinks, in a dysphemistic way. so did bismarck.
there is nothing wrong w. slovenes, croats, montenegrins, macedonians, bosnians, and serbs wanting their respective independence.
west, along w. russia, was strong supporter of yugoslavia right from its setup in ’19.
and even during serb invasions of slovenia, croatia, and bosnia; until ca ’94.
west then changed its mind. but even w.o. its change of heart, yugoslavia was broken up.
it had been a lame duck from begining as serbs only wanted greater serbia because some serbs settled in croatian towns and regions in the 17th cent, w. permission from austria as it was along w. poles, czechs, slovaks, wallachs, hungarians, germans, slovenes, rumanians, and croats fighting off ottoman empire.
around that time, hungary entirely disappeared; of croatia only remnants remained.
still, croats have bitterly opposed immigration of so many serbs.
more cld be said.
i suggest cook study history of the balkan people before he makes inaccurate/inadequate commnts ab it. yhnx

]]> By: Ron Horn http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/obama-and-the-world-crisis/#comment-33345 Ron Horn Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:04:38 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5177#comment-33345 I doubt that there are more than just a few idiots in the ruling elite that are worried about Obama who was mostly raised by his white banker grandmother. His appointment was a very clever public relations ploy that played mostly to white liberal guilt. Even as clever as the ruling elite is, it is still possible that they made a mistake. But it would be a very correctable mistake. Should Obama stray very far from what his employers want, he will be removed one way or another. I doubt that there are more than just a few idiots in the ruling elite that are worried about Obama who was mostly raised by his white banker grandmother. His appointment was a very clever public relations ploy that played mostly to white liberal guilt. Even as clever as the ruling elite is, it is still possible that they made a mistake. But it would be a very correctable mistake. Should Obama stray very far from what his employers want, he will be removed one way or another.

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/obama-and-the-world-crisis/#comment-33339 Deadbeat Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:35:43 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5177#comment-33339 Richard Cook's focus on the financial collapse is important when contracted to the rhetoric coming from the Left especially in recent years. The Left's rhetoric focused primarily on "empire" and on "imperialism" are more obfuscating than clarifying -- especially the Left's focus on "oil" as the major reason for war. Essentially the Left has left the issue of critiquing banking and finance to the fringe on the Right. By doing so, the Left essentially failed to make activists aware and to educate activists of the impact and influence that the banking and financial sector has on war and "empire". Much of the Left's writing gave the impression that "Coke and Pepsi" and other corporations are the main reason for advancing the U.S. "Empire" when in fact War is most profitable for the banking sector rather than other sectors that need to build good relations with host nations. The oil industry has consistently on record being against the War on Iraq. Despite this fact many writers on the Left has expended a great deal of energy promoting that the War on Iraq was for oil. A number of Left-wing writers jumped on Alan Greenspan's assertion that the War was for Oil. However NOT ONE Left writer that I can think of offered the notion that the BANKING was an INFLUENTIAL factor in the War on Iraq. In other words could Greenspan be shifting the focus? A number of Left wing writer seem more hellbent on shifting the focus away from Zionism and Israel rather than presenting some rational and truthful explanation to the American public. There are many issues effecting everyday American that the Left seems to ignore or downplay leaving the field open only to the Right. By doing so the Left then belittles the arguments of the Right -- because unfortunately the Right arguments tend to be contradictory. The Left focus on those contradiction in order to dismiss the arguments coming from the Right. But in doing so, the Left also dismisses the very REAL anxiety being expressed by people who are being affected by these issues. It is amazing to be that there hasn't been more deeper analysis of the banking system from the Left unlike the Left has on the oil and energy industry. It seems to be that the Left has been SCAPEGOATING the energy industry as a diversion from providing a deeper analysis of how banking influences and profits over war spending. It is amazing that the Left is not calling for radical changes to the banking and financial system and that they demand DEBT FORGIVENESS for ordinary workers like they demand debt forgiveness of third world nations. Right now it seems to me that the public is ahead of the Left on key issues and methinks that the Left is doing more to restrain and to obfuscate people rather than to lead people. Richard Cook’s focus on the financial collapse is important when contracted to the rhetoric coming from the Left especially in recent years. The Left’s rhetoric focused primarily on “empire” and on “imperialism” are more obfuscating than clarifying — especially the Left’s focus on “oil” as the major reason for war.

Essentially the Left has left the issue of critiquing banking and finance to the fringe on the Right. By doing so, the Left essentially failed to make activists aware and to educate activists of the impact and influence that the banking and financial sector has on war and “empire”.

Much of the Left’s writing gave the impression that “Coke and Pepsi” and other corporations are the main reason for advancing the U.S. “Empire” when in fact War is most profitable for the banking sector rather than other sectors that need to build good relations with host nations.

The oil industry has consistently on record being against the War on Iraq. Despite this fact many writers on the Left has expended a great deal of energy promoting that the War on Iraq was for oil. A number of Left-wing writers jumped on Alan Greenspan’s assertion that the War was for Oil. However NOT ONE Left writer that I can think of offered the notion that the BANKING was an INFLUENTIAL factor in the War on Iraq. In other words could Greenspan be shifting the focus? A number of Left wing writer seem more hellbent on shifting the focus away from Zionism and Israel rather than presenting some rational and truthful explanation to the American public.

There are many issues effecting everyday American that the Left seems to ignore or downplay leaving the field open only to the Right. By doing so the Left then belittles the arguments of the Right — because unfortunately the Right arguments tend to be contradictory. The Left focus on those contradiction in order to dismiss the arguments coming from the Right. But in doing so, the Left also dismisses the very REAL anxiety being expressed by people who are being affected by these issues.

It is amazing to be that there hasn’t been more deeper analysis of the banking system from the Left unlike the Left has on the oil and energy industry. It seems to be that the Left has been SCAPEGOATING the energy industry as a diversion from providing a deeper analysis of how banking influences and profits over war spending.

It is amazing that the Left is not calling for radical changes to the banking and financial system and that they demand DEBT FORGIVENESS for ordinary workers like they demand debt forgiveness of third world nations.

Right now it seems to me that the public is ahead of the Left on key issues and methinks that the Left is doing more to restrain and to obfuscate people rather than to lead people.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/obama-and-the-world-crisis/#comment-33335 Don Hawkins Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:15:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5177#comment-33335 Colonize the Moon and use it for military advantage, what. That maybe in planning stages but looking at the big picture probably not going to happen. Colonize the Moon and use it for military advantage, what. That maybe in planning stages but looking at the big picture probably not going to happen.

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