Comments on: “No Surrender” for Hardline Abortion Foes http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:51:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: joed http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33371 joed Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:22:02 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33371 that is w k clifford article, ethic of belief that is w k clifford article, ethic of belief

]]> By: joed http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33369 joed Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:19:02 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33369 Danny Ray, the article i linked is very clear about the moral problems of believing anything you want to believe. i guess a person has to be a true critical thinker for the concept to mean anything. this is not relativism. this is not about a certain subject. this is a method of thinking, a method of understanding. thinking and understanding about any subject. have you looked at the c k clifford article? Danny Ray, the article i linked is very clear about the moral problems of believing anything you want to believe. i guess a person has to be a true critical thinker for the concept to mean anything. this is not relativism. this is not about a certain subject. this is a method of thinking, a method of understanding. thinking and understanding about any subject. have you looked at the c k clifford article?

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33359 Danny Ray Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:53:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33359 joed, I can hear the christians on this site ( yes both of them) saying "and we really do not have the moral right to believe anything we want. and disbelief in imaginary beings like God and Jesus is morally wrong ’cause it f's up the society." If you don't want to believe thats fine, if others want to believe thats fine also. There is no true freedom unless you are willing to tolerate the beliefs of others. And before you ask I am a Christian and a Republican, But I will ever tell anyone that there belief is wrong. joed, I can hear the christians on this site ( yes both of them) saying “and we really do not have the moral right to believe anything we want. and disbelief in imaginary beings like God and Jesus is morally wrong ’cause it f’s up the society.”

If you don’t want to believe thats fine, if others want to believe thats fine also.

There is no true freedom unless you are willing to tolerate the beliefs of others.

And before you ask I am a Christian and a Republican, But I will ever tell anyone that there belief is wrong.

]]> By: joed http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33332 joed Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:55:30 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33332 "it is WRONG always and for anyone, to believe anything without sufficient proof." the article in this link talks about the moral consequences of our beliefs. and we really do not have the moral right to believe anything we want. and belief in imaginary beings like god and jebus is morally wrong 'cause it fucks up the society. http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/w_k_clifford/ethics_of_belief.html “it is WRONG always and for anyone, to believe anything without sufficient proof.” the article in this link talks about the moral consequences of our beliefs. and we really do not have the moral right to believe anything we want. and belief in imaginary beings like god and jebus is morally wrong ’cause it fucks up the society.
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/w_k_clifford/ethics_of_belief.html

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33323 bozh Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:02:01 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33323 christians, judaists, and muslims love to speak for god(s). yet all assert there is their allmighty respective god. so, if s/he/it is almighty, why do they speak for it? is it deaf, dumb, and numb to speak for self? this proves that these believers only defend their beliefs. but in an inapropriate way: by stifling free speech; issuing threats, vain predictions. in other words, they repeat verbatim what as children they have been told. and because it worked for children they hope it wld work for adults? thnx christians, judaists, and muslims love to speak for god(s). yet all assert there is their allmighty respective god.
so, if s/he/it is almighty, why do they speak for it? is it deaf, dumb, and numb to speak for self?
this proves that these believers only defend their beliefs. but in an inapropriate way: by stifling free speech; issuing threats, vain predictions.
in other words, they repeat verbatim what as children they have been told.
and because it worked for children they hope it wld work for adults? thnx

]]> By: DavidG. http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33322 DavidG. Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:56:17 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33322 Look, I just posted an article called: Reclaiming Your Brain! I think some folk here might gain something by reading it. Feel free. www.dangerouscreation.com Look, I just posted an article called: Reclaiming Your Brain!

I think some folk here might gain something by reading it. Feel free.

http://www.dangerouscreation.com

]]> By: DMo http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33320 DMo Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:35:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33320 Thank you, Danny Ray. We are all welcome to beileve what we believe. But we all must also be aware that what we believe is not without consequence. It is not "whatever we each believe" is okay. If I want to believe I can jump off a 100-story building and not get hurt, I can--but it doesn't mean there won't be consequences to carrying out my belief. I am just sounding a warning about consequences--you all are certainly welcome to believe what you choose to believe. Unfortunately, the unborn child is sometimes not given the same freedom. Thank you, Danny Ray. We are all welcome to beileve what we believe. But we all must also be aware that what we believe is not without consequence. It is not “whatever we each believe” is okay. If I want to believe I can jump off a 100-story building and not get hurt, I can–but it doesn’t mean there won’t be consequences to carrying out my belief. I am just sounding a warning about consequences–you all are certainly welcome to believe what you choose to believe. Unfortunately, the unborn child is sometimes not given the same freedom.

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33319 Danny Ray Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:02:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33319 DMo, In my book you are welcome to believe what you choose. You will not convert any here so why try. For every one else. you want to believe in freedom you sure don't show it here. Tolerance is a hall mark of freedom. DMo, In my book you are welcome to believe what you choose. You will not convert any here so why try.

For every one else. you want to believe in freedom you sure don’t show it here.

Tolerance is a hall mark of freedom.

]]> By: DMo http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33317 DMo Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:38:44 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33317 You all are a bunch of 'intellectual fools". You may think you're smarter than God, but you'll find out one day what your "open mindedness" and "critical thinking" are really good for...nothing! You all are a bunch of ‘intellectual fools”. You may think you’re smarter than God, but you’ll find out one day what your “open mindedness” and “critical thinking” are really good for…nothing!

]]> By: joed http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33312 joed Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:55:16 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33312 i meant to spell "philosophical" not "phylosophical" ramtha must have snuck in to my soul for a moment and made me a "bad speller", he sure didn't make me a smart feller. i meant to spell “philosophical” not “phylosophical” ramtha must have snuck in to my soul for a moment and made me a “bad speller”, he sure didn’t make me a smart feller.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33311 bozh Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:41:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33311 to deceive, priestly class simply relabeled person's natural or 'god-given' shortcomings as "sin". thus, having 'created' sin and convinced many that they r sinful (instead of not being perfect) priests by the help of another invention, (god), established selves go-between and thus were needed to look after such people. it turned out that nearly every priest and pious person has just one cheek; never having turned the other. certainly not to pals, muslims, other impious people. of course, jesus was just joking or had a stupidity attack when he said to turn the other cheek. remember, even he upturned tables and called people "hypocrits". he also called people who refused to follow him "swine". i wonder what jesus wld have called me? thnx to deceive, priestly class simply relabeled person’s natural or ‘god-given’ shortcomings as “sin”.
thus, having ‘created’ sin and convinced many that they r sinful (instead of not being perfect) priests by the help of another invention, (god), established selves go-between and thus were needed to look after such people.
it turned out that nearly every priest and pious person has just one cheek; never having turned the other.
certainly not to pals, muslims, other impious people.
of course, jesus was just joking or had a stupidity attack when he said to turn the other cheek.
remember, even he upturned tables and called people “hypocrits”. he also called people who refused to follow him “swine”.
i wonder what jesus wld have called me? thnx

]]> By: joed http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33309 joed Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:12:16 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33309 DMo, too bad you can't use your ability to be reasonable. check out the phylosophical dicipline called "critical thinking" i swear to buddha you will see the world as you were meant to see it--as a rational being(there ain't too many of these in the entire universe.) anyway, try overcoming your beliefs and open up to the universe. your fear of imaginary punishers will be tough to overcome but it can be done. check it out dude--critical thinking. DMo,
too bad you can’t use your ability to be reasonable. check out the phylosophical dicipline called “critical thinking” i swear to buddha you will see the world as you were meant to see it–as a rational being(there ain’t too many of these in the entire universe.)
anyway, try overcoming your beliefs and open up to the universe. your fear of imaginary punishers will be tough to overcome but it can be done. check it out dude–critical thinking.

]]> By: John Hatch http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33305 John Hatch Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:02:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33305 DMo, I guess you believe that an idiot God told Abraham to kill his son as a 'joke'? Or what about all those Godly exhortations in the Old Testamant to burn and rape and kill even children and animals? Do you believe that shit too? It always amazes me how little it takes for some people to sell their supposedly immortal souls for a little false security. You say people like me are going to hell. I think you're already there, and it's of your own making. If God existed, why would he want man to be so voluntarily stupid? Aren't you supposed to be in His image? So what would that make him? Believe what you want, but please spare us your infantile nonsense. DMo,
I guess you believe that an idiot God told Abraham to kill his son as a ‘joke’?

Or what about all those Godly exhortations in the Old Testamant to burn and rape and kill even children and animals? Do you believe that shit too?

It always amazes me how little it takes for some people to sell their supposedly immortal souls for a little false security. You say people like me are going to hell. I think you’re already there, and it’s of your own making. If God existed, why would he want man to be so voluntarily stupid? Aren’t you supposed to be in His image? So what would that make him?

Believe what you want, but please spare us your infantile nonsense.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33302 bozh Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:32:01 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33302 i have posted here today but i don't see it. i believe that clero-patrician' lying/deceiving/cheating predates prostitution and abortion by at least a few cent's or even millennia. even today, 'education' ( advertising, entertainment, schooling, clero-political 'teachings') was designed not raise lambs but pigs. judging by enormous of amount nonprovable and non seeable entities they worship, they had to be 'educated' so as to turn into mad people. more cld be said. thnx i have posted here today but i don’t see it.
i believe that clero-patrician’ lying/deceiving/cheating predates prostitution and abortion by at least a few cent’s or even millennia.
even today, ‘education’ ( advertising, entertainment, schooling, clero-political ‘teachings’) was designed not raise lambs but pigs.
judging by enormous of amount nonprovable and non seeable entities they worship, they had to be ‘educated’ so as to turn into mad people.
more cld be said. thnx

]]> By: DMo http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33291 DMo Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:49:23 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33291 What does home schooling have to do with anything? And what does "lately" have to do with anything? God's truth is eternal--it never changes. What was true before is still true now: sin is still sin and God still punishes sin. There's no such thing as a "pretend baby": from the moment of conception it is intended for life. What does home schooling have to do with anything? And what does “lately” have to do with anything? God’s truth is eternal–it never changes. What was true before is still true now: sin is still sin and God still punishes sin.

There’s no such thing as a “pretend baby”: from the moment of conception it is intended for life.

]]> By: Tree http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33280 Tree Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:19:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33280 DMo, I understand home schooling can be limiting, but have you read an anatomy or biology book lately? I mean, one not written by a fundamentalist who believes dinosaurs wore saddles? DMo, I understand home schooling can be limiting, but have you read an anatomy or biology book lately? I mean, one not written by a fundamentalist who believes dinosaurs wore saddles?

]]> By: joed http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33267 joed Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:08:27 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33267 DMo how old is your pretend "innocent unborn baby" and when did this pretend baby become a human? actually, the become human part is the real question. you see, what you call a baby is nothing more than a mass of cells untill a certain amount of guestation. so, sorry to disapoint you but abortion is a fact of life. and your "soul" is a pretend part of life very much like your imaginary friends---god and jebus! your secret is out DMo--you think the human soul "life" enters the egg along with the sperm. but you be wrong 'cause there ain't no soul. there is just this--now. DMo
how old is your pretend “innocent unborn baby” and when did this pretend baby become a human? actually, the become human part is the real question. you see, what you call a baby is nothing more than a mass of cells untill a certain amount of guestation. so, sorry to disapoint you but abortion is a fact of life. and your “soul” is a pretend part of life very much like your imaginary friends—god and jebus! your secret is out DMo–you think the human soul “life” enters the egg along with the sperm. but you be wrong ’cause there ain’t no soul. there is just this–now.

]]> By: DMo http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33264 DMo Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:18:21 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33264 The only "nut cases" here are the people who somehow think killing an innocent unborn baby should be a woman's protected right. I can't ignore the fact that those who think this way may have their way today (and maybe tomorrow), but one day they will surely burn in hell. Here's a hint: Read your Bible! You might be surprised what you find. And even if you don't care what it says, that doesn't make it any less true or any less ominous for you. God is not mocked and He will surely punish the evil doers. The only “nut cases” here are the people who somehow think killing an innocent unborn baby should be a woman’s protected right. I can’t ignore the fact that those who think this way may have their way today (and maybe tomorrow), but one day they will surely burn in hell. Here’s a hint: Read your Bible! You might be surprised what you find. And even if you don’t care what it says, that doesn’t make it any less true or any less ominous for you. God is not mocked and He will surely punish the evil doers.

]]> By: John Hatch http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33244 John Hatch Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:39:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33244 Maybe it's time for these anti-sanity nut cases to finally just shut up. Enough! Maybe it’s time for these anti-sanity nut cases to finally just shut up. Enough!

]]> By: Tree http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/no-surrender-for-hardline-abortion-foes/#comment-33240 Tree Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:19:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5147#comment-33240 Let's hope the anti-choice activists have been set back and let's hope they keep getting set back. Let’s hope the anti-choice activists have been set back and let’s hope they keep getting set back.

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