Shows clearly that you have not AT ALL read the article of this thread. You are such a fraud.

What is the point of this idiotic comment? It has nothing to do with the article. And this in particular: “White racist conduct by a Black who seems very aware of the subtleties of racism”, where is the white racist conduct??? why do you write meaningless rubbish like this? And where has Odinga demonstrated any awareness of subtleties of racism? He has made baseless insensitive, shameful and thoughtless remarks. You say he shows awareness of subtleties because clearly you have no awareness of what has been expressed.

Odinga, what khs wrote is very clear and is certainly not meaningless. If you were sensitive to racism as you claim then you would have completely understood what he wrote as I did but here again you demonstrate that you are indeed a fraud. It seems at the bottom of your personal attacks on khs is your obsession with anyone critical of Mugabe, a CIA sponsored mass murderer. You criticise the mass media and yet you fall exactly into the place they have designed for you: ” you are either with us or against us”, you need to step out of this psychological control game.

You are stuck in the Bush mentality of “either you are with us or against us” and therefore someone like khs who does not fit into you narrow childish world must be an enemy. You need to wake up!

It is no wonder you cannot reason logically with I — a Black African who is not intimidated by your Whiteness and will not kowtow to you.”

LOL!!

Mr Odinga the Expert in Logic! Well done in demonstrating utter illogic and mastery in BS. Your comments are concoction of a confused and ignorant mind. What an arrogant boastful racist you are. You should be ashamed of of yourself and damned GRATEFUL to people like keith who devote their lives to trying to right injustice in return for no reward. Your comments are sickening and even more alarming as you claim to be a black African, hey so is Obama and he’s a FASCIST servant of Israel intent on continuing the genocides in the Middle East. Or perhaps only you are qualified to criticise anyone with black skin? Is that your logic? You say you are sensitive to racism, I say you are a FRAUD.

Is it not transparent that the focus of keith’s works is to do with exposing the criminals in his own country? Try reading some of his articles.

odinga:”you have been goaded into denouncing Mugabe…”

Perhaps instead of spewing all your blind nonsense you could go and read keith’s previous writings (one on Mugabe which he referenced above).

[My point is not about letting anyone off the hook. The point is: not to work with racist Whites who get on board under the guise of ‘charity’ to mask their real intentions of trying to control Black African lives and resources through constant White-influenced political regime change. As Africans, we need to address our issues without the constant paternalistic interferences from others, particularly Whites who think they are better informed and therefore qualified to set Black African agendas.]

My point is not about letting anyone off the hook. The point is: not to work with racist Whites who get on board under the guise of ‘charity’ to mask their real intentions of trying to control Black African lives and resources through constant White-influenced political regime change. ”

Racism does not recognize border. There are many racist Blacks who are carrying White supremacist policy on population of BLACK Africa. How about these racists? Therefore, a black dichotomy does not bring any solution except divisiveness which should be avoided at all cost to fight the main enemy, Zionism and imperialism, which is both sides of the same coin. Racist and ignorant people can be found in every society. While the European Union are typing to bring Europeans close together, the enemy tries to divide us through “divide and rule” game to force domination upon us. Our aim is to expose this trap and build a just world for all regardless of skin color. No group can work alone. No civilization is superior to the other. All the people on earth are contributors to human civilization.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jimeav4qlLs

http://www.merip.org/mer/mer234/aidi.html

In the early 1970s, a school of Black Nationalism emerged that is strongly distrustful of the Arab world. Since the September 11, 2001 attacks, that school has become stridently political, make common cause with movements, such as those of Christian evangelicals, Zionists and neo-conservatives, with which it has historically been at odds. The resurgence of this strand of Black Nationalism, which sees Arabs as not our people and guilty of inflicting the same devastation on Africa as the white West, is the result of centuries-old tensions between African-American Muslims and Christians, strained relations nationalism in the Afro-Arab borderlands, particularly in the Sudan. Since September 11, this view has gained popularity outside Black Nationalist circles, leading to a rapprochement between Black Nationalist groups and Zionist groups over Sudan. Such developments are best explained by an enduring feature of US politics racial scapegoating which is implemented by BLACK enablers such as Susan Rice and supported by famous BLACK families such as King and Young. Is this NOT RACISM?

http://www.wzo.org.il/en/resources/view.asp?id=1823

The Save Darfur campaign in many ways captures the new racial climate, as different ethnic and political divisions have been set aside and grievances are externalized onto the Middle East. As in the Cold War, race has emerged as an ideological tool in the war against Arabs and Muslim alike.
Lydia, CATALYST in MN said:
[quote] However, I am not willing to let dictators, mass murderers, torturers, and gang rapists totally off the hook simply because they are African and the West is messing with their country. [end quote]

My point is not about letting anyone off the hook. The point is: not to work with racist Whites who get on board under the guise of ‘charity’ to mask their real intentions of trying to control Black African lives and resources through constant White-influenced political regime change. As Africans, we need to address our issues without the constant paternalistic interferences from others, particularly Whites who think they are better informed and therefore qualified to set Black African agendas.
Racism does not recognize border. There are many racist Blacks who are carrying White supremacist policy on population of BLACK Africa. How about these racists? Therefore, a black dichotomy does not bring any solution except divisiveness which should be avoided at all cost to fight the main enemy, Zionism and imperialism, which is both sides of the same coin. Racist and ignorant people can be found in every society. While the European Union are typing to bring Europeans close together, the enemy tries to divide us through “divide and rule” game to force domination upon us. Our aim is to expose this trap and build a just world for all regardless of skin color. No group can work alone. No civilization is superior to the other. All the people on earth are contributors to human civilization.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jimeav4qlLs

Indeed, I am white and therefore inherently racist. It’s clear that I have failed herein to communicate without getting defensive. I will withdraw now and focus on my own homework.

blessings
keith

I saw how you responded when I presented evidence that did not line up with your opinions. You simply ignored the evidence and went on to attack one of the sources I quoted while never proving what I quoted was false. You totally left out my repudiation of your assertion that Mugabe had no intentions of redistributing the land back then. Then you jumped to: “After paragraph 12 of your post one is led to conclusions that are indeed reasonable and progressive.” That is a condescending attempt to dismiss the evidence I presented with platitudes. Thus, I saw it useless to present anymore evidence to show how some of your evaluations are faulty. The White TIN GOD has spoken and his version of the African Story is all there is to it and should not be challenged.

You wrote: [quote] Its easy to accuse me of racism, of being racist, and unlike most racist whites I accept my whiteness as a moderating factor on my capacity to see and interpret reality equitably. [end quote]

This is meaningless intellectual masturbation. If you are saying that your whiteness limits your ability to see reality equitably then you should have been exercising some humility when discussing African issues. You should be considering that you do not see all the angles. I do not see that coming from you or other Whites with their limited insights into Black African affairs.

You all come over as if all Black Africans who are not dismissing Mugabe have to be ignorant fools. You totally fail to grasp why so many Black Africans support Mugabe. And, no, it is not simply because he is a Black African as so many ignorant White commentators would have the world believe. You all always try to reduce the African sensibilities to one of childish immaturity, lacking the sophistication to analyze and interpret complex matters.

I do not trust White people’s involvement in African affairs. You are NOT the authority of the African Story so anyone who does not answer your questions or do your homework assignments cannot be legitimately considered ignorant and arrogant either. They, like me, could be simply dismissing your authoritarian, superiority complex.

Your constant reference to Gowans and Elich, who are only part of this debate by virtue of one quote I presented from Elich, shows your particular obsession. Here I am responding to you directly about what I witnessed about your demeanor and there you are constantly whining to me about them. How are they my concern? I do not even know them. If and when I ever have the opportunity to discuss issues with them I will assess them based on what they put on the table, the reason/s for the positions they take and how they come over. I do not need you to tell me who is the better researcher or writer as that is not my interest. That is the White obsession.

You said: [quote] Putting it all neatly together, you will find that Stephen Gowans and Gregory Ellich do not mention the whites behind Mugabe — being, with Mugabe’s gangs support — just another faction, though one competing against Western international capital.

Who has the deeper analysis? Who takes responsibility? [end quote]

Here you have demonstrated your obsession and one of your many weaknesses that impairs your evaluations; you want to be seen as smarter and therefore superior to other writers. All you have succeeded in doing is coming over boastful, envious and bitter because maybe people pay more attention to others than you. Trying to assert your superiority over others, even if they are White, inevitably translates into feelings of superiority over Black Africans. It is all part of the same White Superiority complex.

It is no wonder you cannot reason logically with I — a Black African who is not intimidated by your Whiteness and will not kowtow to you.

Madsen’s book: “Genocide and Covert Operations in Africa, 1993-1999″

and the big conservation scams involving the Jane Goodall Institute and Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund and all these peripheral players are outlined in this series called KING KONG:
http://www.allthingspass.com/journalism.php?catid=45

peace

I have named the “players” over and over in article after article beginning with my first articles circa 1999. However:

On the Kabila govt side some of the key players are outlined in detail here (and NOWHERE else). especially including the Israeli networks:
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/gertlers-bling-bang-torah-gang/

On the “rebels” side 00 its important to understand the people behind Bemba, many of whom are connected to groups named in the recent article:
http://towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/1123/1/

and generally, here:
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/4309

Wayne Madsen’s book “Genocide and Covert Operations in Congo, 1993-1999″ is also very important.

And David Barouski wrote the book on Laurent Nkunda:
http://www.ias.uni-bayreuth.de/resources/africa_discussion_forum/07-08_ws/LKandexANC.pdf

blessings
keith

When he is called out, he gets too defensive. That, among other things, leaves him unable to respond to what is raised or to defend his own positions since what he is being called on is his own White racist conduct by a Black who seems very aware of the subtleties of racism.

Whites who try to deny their complicity in racism (all Whites are complicit) are the subtler form to overt racists. What makes Whites that subscribe to this behavior more dangerous is that other Whites buy into their fantasies that they are above White racism, that racism is a thing of the past.

Racism is not a thing of the past. Whites that subscribe to this denial allow the Bushes and Cheneys of the world to get away with their crimes against non-White humanity. Why, with all the evidence that shows a long and sordid history of White violent aggressions for what they are, would a rationale and informed White person not understand why Blacks would not accept them speaking about another Black in a dehumanizing way? Case in point: why most Whites did not understand the Black reaction when O J Simpson was cleared of murder. Blacks totally rejected that selective white outrage.

It would be good if all of us Whites would take the advice and start examining our own White history and leave Black Africans to decide their own.

“bYou talk about a lack of UNITY but I dont see anyone else on these posts who has done more to divide and offend than you. Take the YOU out of UNITY and you end up with … ity (-bity nothing).”

Mr Odinga — obviously you feel strongly. Do you do anything other than write about (your interpretation of) the problem?

bYou talk about a lack of UNITY but I dont see anyone else on these posts who has done more to divide and offend than you. Take the YOU out of UNITY and you end up with … ity (-bity nothing).