Comments on: Bailing Out the Auto Industry http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/bailing-out-the-auto-industry/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/bailing-out-the-auto-industry/#comment-33483 bozh Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:18:38 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5219#comment-33483 having unions is beneficial to uncle sam; he loves unions. union members r disunited on all of the major issues. so as long as they r strongly disunited, uncle sam can more easily deal w. them. union members only care ab selves: their benefits, wages, and safe work conditions. they r more united when it comes to wages, etc. wld unions (or schooling) be allowed if they posed any threat to the ruling class? remember, they were illegal at one time. later allowed, because the ruling class realized that it wasn't all that bad having unions. thnx having unions is beneficial to uncle sam; he loves unions. union members r disunited on all of the major issues.
so as long as they r strongly disunited, uncle sam can more easily deal w. them.
union members only care ab selves: their benefits, wages, and safe work conditions.
they r more united when it comes to wages, etc.
wld unions (or schooling) be allowed if they posed any threat to the ruling class?
remember, they were illegal at one time. later allowed, because the ruling class realized that it wasn’t all that bad having unions. thnx

]]> By: Lynn http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/bailing-out-the-auto-industry/#comment-33479 Lynn Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:41:42 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5219#comment-33479 Letting the car companies go under will cost about as much as keeping them afloat. The republicans are playing politics with the no brainer rescue while our media plays up "$75" an hour jobs. Apparently they want to bust the unions regardless of the harm to lives it would cause. The ceos of the big three should call the republican's bluff. Shut the factories down and start issuing lay-off notices. The workers can hang in there for quite a while but the republicans would get buried under the fallout. Letting the car companies go under will cost about as much as keeping them afloat. The republicans are playing politics with the no brainer rescue while our media plays up “$75″ an hour jobs. Apparently they want to bust the unions regardless of the harm to lives it would cause. The ceos of the big three should call the republican’s bluff. Shut the factories down and start issuing lay-off notices. The workers can hang in there for quite a while but the republicans would get buried under the fallout.

]]> By: Ron http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/bailing-out-the-auto-industry/#comment-33458 Ron Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:22:19 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5219#comment-33458 What a mess that's been created! Who's to blame? The people? The COE's? The Congress? The Whole "Country"? I say it is the responsibility of all of us to take action in these times. Sacrifice should not be language in the discussion. It is to bad that being conservation minded, growing some food in your yard, using a bicycle or walking instead of your car, turning lights off, reading a book instead of watching tv every night, etc. is considered "sacrificing". What a sacrifice? Living within ones means is no sacrifice, it's humane! As far bailing out the "Big 3" auto makers? Why are these 3 the only companies that make up the auto industry? There should never be a monopoly of this sort in this country, right? When a business fails, that opens up a market share for start-up companies. If my bike shop fails due to my short sightedness, i can't go to congress and get "bailout" money. I provide jobs in my community. We do not have Free Markets in all industries. The strongest don't only survive, they get subsidized. Downsize and localize! That's the big part of the equation. How is that going to look exactly? Who knows, but we're going to have to get there. Congress and the Bankers/Corporations are going to try and hang on as long as they can bringing us down with them but it does not have to be that way for us. We can break our dependency on the system and become more self-sufficient. We have to!!! What a mess that’s been created! Who’s to blame? The people? The COE’s? The Congress? The Whole “Country”?
I say it is the responsibility of all of us to take action in these times. Sacrifice should not be language in the discussion. It is to bad that being conservation minded, growing some food in your yard, using a bicycle or walking instead of your car, turning lights off, reading a book instead of watching tv every night, etc. is considered “sacrificing”.
What a sacrifice? Living within ones means is no sacrifice, it’s humane!
As far bailing out the “Big 3″ auto makers? Why are these 3 the only companies that make up the auto industry? There should never be a monopoly of this sort in this country, right? When a business fails, that opens up a market share for start-up companies. If my bike shop fails due to my short sightedness, i can’t go to congress and get “bailout” money. I provide jobs in my community.
We do not have Free Markets in all industries. The strongest don’t only survive, they get subsidized.
Downsize and localize! That’s the big part of the equation. How is that going to look exactly? Who knows, but we’re going to have to get there. Congress and the Bankers/Corporations are going to try and hang on as long as they can bringing us down with them but it does not have to be that way for us. We can break our dependency on the system and become more self-sufficient. We have to!!!

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/bailing-out-the-auto-industry/#comment-33448 bozh Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:01:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5219#comment-33448 ruling class in US bails out corporations for the good of the country. but there is no country; there is, joe, a hobo, paul, peter.... natch, to obama/bush or, rather, the uncle, there is no joe,paul, peter- only country or US in using the word "country" , one sounds much better than being for homeeless person who's countryful. that's more important than having a bed to lay one's emaciated/sick body. thnx ruling class in US bails out corporations for the good of the country.
but there is no country; there is, joe, a hobo, paul, peter….
natch, to obama/bush or, rather, the uncle, there is no joe,paul, peter- only country or US
in using the word “country” , one sounds much better than being for homeeless person who’s countryful.
that’s more important than having a bed to lay one’s emaciated/sick body. thnx

]]> By: Ramsefall http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/12/bailing-out-the-auto-industry/#comment-33432 Ramsefall Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:30:25 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5219#comment-33432 The Big 3 are sinking and expecting an enormous $34 billion life preserver in exchange for $1/year salaries...what ignoble men of cunning disposition, hats off to 'em for having the balls to claim that western civilization will collapse while it's collapsing. After all, it's not as if they actually anticipate managing unregulated and non-transparent jurisdiction over their deposit like bankers do with their own. What kind of world do we live in? I agree with you, Walter, that there are a lot of families at stake as these CEOs implore Congress for their bailout -- certainly the most pertinent aspect of the drama. Accounting for the aftershocks felt throughout the system as you indicate brings up additional concerns as the social deterioration process would reliably proceed. However, you close by saying, "... it is far too late for Congress to claim it is looking out for the fiscal interests of the taxpayers, and time to acknowledge that it needs to look after the interests of the workers." I don't recall Congress ever looking after the interests of the workers until now, so why acknowledge that it finally needs to? It would be nice, but the Congress to which you refer refrains from humanitarian efforts last time I checked. Perhaps something will change, lmao! When you say that, "...a failure by any of the Big 3 would have a severe effect upon several thousand other businesses, including car haulers, suppliers, garages, and dealers", I'd speculate that garages, parts stores, and the re-manufacturing industry might be some of the few businesses to actually feel some love through the fallout. It may be inconsequential, but it could be nonetheless. Thanks for the article. Best to you. The Big 3 are sinking and expecting an enormous $34 billion life preserver in exchange for $1/year salaries…what ignoble men of cunning disposition, hats off to ‘em for having the balls to claim that western civilization will collapse while it’s collapsing. After all, it’s not as if they actually anticipate managing unregulated and non-transparent jurisdiction over their deposit like bankers do with their own. What kind of world do we live in?

I agree with you, Walter, that there are a lot of families at stake as these CEOs implore Congress for their bailout — certainly the most pertinent aspect of the drama. Accounting for the aftershocks felt throughout the system as you indicate brings up additional concerns as the social deterioration process would reliably proceed.

However, you close by saying, “… it is far too late for Congress to claim it is looking out for the fiscal interests of the taxpayers, and time to acknowledge that it needs to look after the interests of the workers.” I don’t recall Congress ever looking after the interests of the workers until now, so why acknowledge that it finally needs to? It would be nice, but the Congress to which you refer refrains from humanitarian efforts last time I checked. Perhaps something will change, lmao!

When you say that, “…a failure by any of the Big 3 would have a severe effect upon several thousand other businesses, including car haulers, suppliers, garages, and dealers”, I’d speculate that garages, parts stores, and the re-manufacturing industry might be some of the few businesses to actually feel some love through the fallout. It may be inconsequential, but it could be nonetheless.

Thanks for the article.

Best to you.

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