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		<title>By: giorgio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-33203</link>
		<dc:creator>giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble too is that real wealth is concentrated in the hands of  about 1% of people. If this wealth was distributed in a standard statistical bell shaped curve over all mankind the failure of a few fat cats would not even cause a ripple....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble too is that real wealth is concentrated in the hands of  about 1% of people. If this wealth was distributed in a standard statistical bell shaped curve over all mankind the failure of a few fat cats would not even cause a ripple&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32763</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marton very clear simple words and true.</description>
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		<title>By: Marton  Zsenei</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32759</link>
		<dc:creator>Marton  Zsenei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The full truth:   the capitalism is in his final crisis. The capitalism cannot exist without growth but there are limits to growth. This need of capitalism created the consumer society which now  can destroy the Earth.
This  solutios can  onlybe a non-capitalist, but this solution hardly comes from Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The full truth:   the capitalism is in his final crisis. The capitalism cannot exist without growth but there are limits to growth. This need of capitalism created the consumer society which now  can destroy the Earth.<br />
This  solutios can  onlybe a non-capitalist, but this solution hardly comes from Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Petronius</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32722</link>
		<dc:creator>Petronius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>western thought hinges on a host of cliches, terrorism, al quaida, middle class for proletarians which we are all now except for the sweethearts at the head of general motors, goldman sachs etc.
please start thinking clearly, we are oppressed while oppressing
others in this world, we must stop this dog eat dog !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>western thought hinges on a host of cliches, terrorism, al quaida, middle class for proletarians which we are all now except for the sweethearts at the head of general motors, goldman sachs etc.<br />
please start thinking clearly, we are oppressed while oppressing<br />
others in this world, we must stop this dog eat dog !</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32709</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that link to CNN again then again.  Then on CNN one man from India said that this is India&#039;s 911 and they thought this could not happen but it did.  Then he said he thinks the government needs to get tuff.  Another report today Pakistan asked India not to jump to conclusions, oops.  Will reason overcome the instincts on all sides and cooler heads prevail let&#039;s hope so as we wouldn&#039;t have to worry about climate change for a few years if India exercised it&#039;s mind and jumped to conclusions (cut to commercial).  

   Have you tried the new way of thinking yet?  It comes in two CD&#039;s and here&#039;s the best part no money up front we will bill you later if you like our product.  Just try it for a month and if you like it we pay the shipping.  We sent you the first CD in our new way of thinking called unlearning what you have learned and it comes in all languages known to man.  If you like our first CD the second is even better and we pay the shipping.  The second is called reason to overcome your instincts and again comes in all languages known to man.  All we are asking is try it. What have you got to lose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that link to CNN again then again.  Then on CNN one man from India said that this is India&#8217;s 911 and they thought this could not happen but it did.  Then he said he thinks the government needs to get tuff.  Another report today Pakistan asked India not to jump to conclusions, oops.  Will reason overcome the instincts on all sides and cooler heads prevail let&#8217;s hope so as we wouldn&#8217;t have to worry about climate change for a few years if India exercised it&#8217;s mind and jumped to conclusions (cut to commercial).  </p>
<p>   Have you tried the new way of thinking yet?  It comes in two CD&#8217;s and here&#8217;s the best part no money up front we will bill you later if you like our product.  Just try it for a month and if you like it we pay the shipping.  We sent you the first CD in our new way of thinking called unlearning what you have learned and it comes in all languages known to man.  If you like our first CD the second is even better and we pay the shipping.  The second is called reason to overcome your instincts and again comes in all languages known to man.  All we are asking is try it. What have you got to lose?</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32707</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a person who says there is god is welcome now to look for him. one caveat: do it after u die;for ye shall have an eternity of idle time to look for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a person who says there is god is welcome now to look for him. one caveat: do it after u die;for ye shall have an eternity of idle time to look for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32704</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary I read that link thanks and Chopra said,&quot; And it&#039;s not enough for us to worry about Westerners being killed and Americans being killed. Every life is precious over there. We have got to get rid of this idea that this is an American problem or a Western problem. It&#039;s a global problem, and we need a global solution, and we need the help of all the Muslims, 25 percent of the world&#039;s population, to help us uproot this problem&quot;.  

 Is he right, I don&#039;t know.  Use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary I read that link thanks and Chopra said,&#8221; And it&#8217;s not enough for us to worry about Westerners being killed and Americans being killed. Every life is precious over there. We have got to get rid of this idea that this is an American problem or a Western problem. It&#8217;s a global problem, and we need a global solution, and we need the help of all the Muslims, 25 percent of the world&#8217;s population, to help us uproot this problem&#8221;.  </p>
<p> Is he right, I don&#8217;t know.  Use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32700</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don I think you will find that Deepak Chopra was saying this:

Chopra: Attack prompts tough questions 
[..] 
King: Is it because the war on terrorism really can never be won because the terrorists (inaudible)? 
Chopra:     Because it&#039;s an oxymoron. It&#039;s an oxymoron, Larry, a war on war, a war on terrorism. 
You know, terrorists call mechanized death from 35,000 feet above sea level with a press of a button also terror. We don&#039;t call it that, because our soldiers are wearing uniforms. They don&#039;t see what is happening, and innocent people are being killed. So, you know, terror is a term that you apply to the other. 

King:     Thanks, Deepak Chopra, as always, extraordinarily enlightening.  

In other words, we,  the US and UK, are reaping the whirlwind from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pilotless drones  (the devilishly named Predators)  are now bombing innocent Afghani family parties  including children.  A recruiting sergeant for terrorism if ever there was one and perhaps Obama&#039;s choice of Clinton and Gates and his promising that the war in Afghanistan will be stepped up is raising the anger levels.

This is the link to the CNN programme.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/king.chopra.mumbai/index.html?eref=rss_topstories</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don I think you will find that Deepak Chopra was saying this:</p>
<p>Chopra: Attack prompts tough questions<br />
[..]<br />
King: Is it because the war on terrorism really can never be won because the terrorists (inaudible)?<br />
Chopra:     Because it&#8217;s an oxymoron. It&#8217;s an oxymoron, Larry, a war on war, a war on terrorism.<br />
You know, terrorists call mechanized death from 35,000 feet above sea level with a press of a button also terror. We don&#8217;t call it that, because our soldiers are wearing uniforms. They don&#8217;t see what is happening, and innocent people are being killed. So, you know, terror is a term that you apply to the other. </p>
<p>King:     Thanks, Deepak Chopra, as always, extraordinarily enlightening.  </p>
<p>In other words, we,  the US and UK, are reaping the whirlwind from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pilotless drones  (the devilishly named Predators)  are now bombing innocent Afghani family parties  including children.  A recruiting sergeant for terrorism if ever there was one and perhaps Obama&#8217;s choice of Clinton and Gates and his promising that the war in Afghanistan will be stepped up is raising the anger levels.</p>
<p>This is the link to the CNN programme.<br />
<a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/king.chopra.mumbai/index.html?eref=rss_topstories" rel="nofollow">http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/king.chopra.mumbai/index.html?eref=rss_topstories</a></p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32692</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;From Middle to Shaky Ground&quot; shows some worrying trends in America&#039;s households, including:
* The median financial assets held by middle-class families declined by 22 percent. This means that for every dollar in median assets that middle-class families held in 2000, they held just 78 cents in 2006. These figures do not include home equity and therefore do not reflect additional losses families may have experienced due a decline in their home values.
* Monthly housing expenses for the middle class rose by 9 percent. As a result, the percentage of middle-class families who match the Department of Housing and Urban Development&#039;s definition of &quot;housing burdened&quot; rose from 31 percent in 2000 to 37 percent in 2006.
* The number of middle-class families in which at least one member lacks health insurance grew from 18 percent in 2000 to 25 percent in 2006.
&quot;Declines such as these in any one area are alarming,&quot; said Tom Shapiro, Professor of Law and Director of the Institute on Assets and Social Policy at Brandeis. &quot;Bad news across a range of areas supporting financial stability means the middle class is confronting its greatest challenge since the Great Depression.&quot;  Brandeis University 
 
Well heck where is the money going.  I did the math and something is very very wrong.
  
 And today this thanksgiving 2008 the insanity we see out of India on the News.  Fox of course has it&#039;s fair and balanced approach and CNN seems to have the answers from some.  Deepak Chopra was on Larry King last night and what he said was good stuff.  I don&#039;t remember the exact words but something like it doesn&#039;t matter if you drop a bomb from 10 thousand feet or what we see in India or Iraq a life is a life.  We need to get away from this terrorism thinking that it is against the United States it is a Worldwide problem and this is after they were asking how many Americans died in the attack and in between the pictures on the news they go to commercial and you hear someone tell you to buy this new stuff  a cement that you can pull a 500 ton train with or it shows a drinking glass with a hole in it and they put this cement on the outside of the glass to fix the hole, fascinating then back to the news still wondering why the World seems a little mixed up.  Well got to go the parade is on and they are singing America the Beautiful and oh look people along the parade route holding signs that say will work for food wait the camera just went back to the parade I think that sign said that.            

&quot;You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive.  Use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. &quot;  Think Frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;From Middle to Shaky Ground&#8221; shows some worrying trends in America&#8217;s households, including:<br />
* The median financial assets held by middle-class families declined by 22 percent. This means that for every dollar in median assets that middle-class families held in 2000, they held just 78 cents in 2006. These figures do not include home equity and therefore do not reflect additional losses families may have experienced due a decline in their home values.<br />
* Monthly housing expenses for the middle class rose by 9 percent. As a result, the percentage of middle-class families who match the Department of Housing and Urban Development&#8217;s definition of &#8220;housing burdened&#8221; rose from 31 percent in 2000 to 37 percent in 2006.<br />
* The number of middle-class families in which at least one member lacks health insurance grew from 18 percent in 2000 to 25 percent in 2006.<br />
&#8220;Declines such as these in any one area are alarming,&#8221; said Tom Shapiro, Professor of Law and Director of the Institute on Assets and Social Policy at Brandeis. &#8220;Bad news across a range of areas supporting financial stability means the middle class is confronting its greatest challenge since the Great Depression.&#8221;  Brandeis University </p>
<p>Well heck where is the money going.  I did the math and something is very very wrong.</p>
<p> And today this thanksgiving 2008 the insanity we see out of India on the News.  Fox of course has it&#8217;s fair and balanced approach and CNN seems to have the answers from some.  Deepak Chopra was on Larry King last night and what he said was good stuff.  I don&#8217;t remember the exact words but something like it doesn&#8217;t matter if you drop a bomb from 10 thousand feet or what we see in India or Iraq a life is a life.  We need to get away from this terrorism thinking that it is against the United States it is a Worldwide problem and this is after they were asking how many Americans died in the attack and in between the pictures on the news they go to commercial and you hear someone tell you to buy this new stuff  a cement that you can pull a 500 ton train with or it shows a drinking glass with a hole in it and they put this cement on the outside of the glass to fix the hole, fascinating then back to the news still wondering why the World seems a little mixed up.  Well got to go the parade is on and they are singing America the Beautiful and oh look people along the parade route holding signs that say will work for food wait the camera just went back to the parade I think that sign said that.            </p>
<p>&#8220;You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive.  Use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. &#8221;  Think Frank</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32675</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Embers of election night elation will glow longer than any prior election. Glowing even
in other nations, and for good reason. We are all tied together, more than ever, like it or not.
Barack Obama’s measured words on election night, including eloquent recognition of
historic progress, from the viewpoint of a 106-year-old lady, still stoke the embers. But he
was already focusing on tasks ahead, without celebratory excess.
Well he should. The challenge he faces is unprecedented. I refer not to the inherited
economic morass, as threatening as it is. The human toll due to past failures and excesses
may prove to be great, yet economic recessions, even depressions, come and go.
Now our planet itself is in peril. Not simply the Earth, but the fate of all its species,
including humanity. The situation calls not for hand-wringing, but rather informed action.
Optimism is fueled by expectation that decisions will be guided by reason and evidence,
not ideology. The danger is that special interests will dilute and torque government policies,
causing the climate to pass tipping points, with grave consequences for all life on the planet.
The President-elect himself needs to be well-informed about the climate problem and its
relation to energy needs and economic policies. He cannot rely on political systems to bring
him solutions – the political systems provide too many opportunities for special interests.

Tax and 100% dividend. A “carbon tax with 100 percent dividend” is required for
reversing the growth of atmospheric CO2. The tax, applied to oil, gas and coal at the mine or
port of entry, is the fairest and most effective way to reduce emissions and transition to the
post fossil fuel era. It would assure that unconventional fossil fuels, such as tar shale and tar
sands, stay in the ground, unless an economic method of capturing the CO2 is developed.
The entire tax should be returned to the public, equal shares on a per capita basis (half
shares for children up to a maximum of two child-shares per family), deposited monthly in
bank accounts. No bureaucracy is needed.  James Hansen


FRANK communication with the public is essential. At present, all around the world,
governments are guilty of greenwash, an implausible approach of goals and half-measures
that will barely slow the growth of CO2. The world, not just the United States, needs an open
honest discussion of what is needed. It is a tremendous burden to place on the Presidentelect,
who seems to be the only potential candidate. The only chance seems to be if he
understands the truth – the whole truth.
Young people realize that they, their children, and the unborn will bear the consequences
of our actions or inactions. They do not blame their parents, who legitimately ‘did not know’
what they were starting. Young people have recently worked hard to influence the
democratic process. Now they expect the system to take appropriate actions. If that does not
happen, surely they will begin to raise their voices louder.  James Hansen


&quot;You must unlearn what you have learned.&quot; &quot;Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will...&quot;
 
Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things.
 
&quot;You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. &quot;  Yoda

  Just lines from a movie a little more than that.  The entire tax should be returned to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Embers of election night elation will glow longer than any prior election. Glowing even<br />
in other nations, and for good reason. We are all tied together, more than ever, like it or not.<br />
Barack Obama’s measured words on election night, including eloquent recognition of<br />
historic progress, from the viewpoint of a 106-year-old lady, still stoke the embers. But he<br />
was already focusing on tasks ahead, without celebratory excess.<br />
Well he should. The challenge he faces is unprecedented. I refer not to the inherited<br />
economic morass, as threatening as it is. The human toll due to past failures and excesses<br />
may prove to be great, yet economic recessions, even depressions, come and go.<br />
Now our planet itself is in peril. Not simply the Earth, but the fate of all its species,<br />
including humanity. The situation calls not for hand-wringing, but rather informed action.<br />
Optimism is fueled by expectation that decisions will be guided by reason and evidence,<br />
not ideology. The danger is that special interests will dilute and torque government policies,<br />
causing the climate to pass tipping points, with grave consequences for all life on the planet.<br />
The President-elect himself needs to be well-informed about the climate problem and its<br />
relation to energy needs and economic policies. He cannot rely on political systems to bring<br />
him solutions – the political systems provide too many opportunities for special interests.</p>
<p>Tax and 100% dividend. A “carbon tax with 100 percent dividend” is required for<br />
reversing the growth of atmospheric CO2. The tax, applied to oil, gas and coal at the mine or<br />
port of entry, is the fairest and most effective way to reduce emissions and transition to the<br />
post fossil fuel era. It would assure that unconventional fossil fuels, such as tar shale and tar<br />
sands, stay in the ground, unless an economic method of capturing the CO2 is developed.<br />
The entire tax should be returned to the public, equal shares on a per capita basis (half<br />
shares for children up to a maximum of two child-shares per family), deposited monthly in<br />
bank accounts. No bureaucracy is needed.  James Hansen</p>
<p>FRANK communication with the public is essential. At present, all around the world,<br />
governments are guilty of greenwash, an implausible approach of goals and half-measures<br />
that will barely slow the growth of CO2. The world, not just the United States, needs an open<br />
honest discussion of what is needed. It is a tremendous burden to place on the Presidentelect,<br />
who seems to be the only potential candidate. The only chance seems to be if he<br />
understands the truth – the whole truth.<br />
Young people realize that they, their children, and the unborn will bear the consequences<br />
of our actions or inactions. They do not blame their parents, who legitimately ‘did not know’<br />
what they were starting. Young people have recently worked hard to influence the<br />
democratic process. Now they expect the system to take appropriate actions. If that does not<br />
happen, surely they will begin to raise their voices louder.  James Hansen</p>
<p>&#8220;You must unlearn what you have learned.&#8221; &#8220;Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things.</p>
<p>&#8220;You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. &#8221;  Yoda</p>
<p>  Just lines from a movie a little more than that.  The entire tax should be returned to the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32674</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s say it again it never hurts and that is these people on Wall Street or China street or you name the country street 1% of 6 billion plus have 90% of the wealth and they do it with that funny math.  The people who use the 1+1=2 math and have unlocked the secrets of the Universe would look at this math and probably say are you nut&#039;s and probably have.  Many would also say how could this possibly work out well and as we see it doesn&#039;t.  We need a new way of thinking and at light speed could just work.  Think Frank!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s say it again it never hurts and that is these people on Wall Street or China street or you name the country street 1% of 6 billion plus have 90% of the wealth and they do it with that funny math.  The people who use the 1+1=2 math and have unlocked the secrets of the Universe would look at this math and probably say are you nut&#8217;s and probably have.  Many would also say how could this possibly work out well and as we see it doesn&#8217;t.  We need a new way of thinking and at light speed could just work.  Think Frank!!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32673</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>markets, they hire ‘experts’ who appear on media and these expert then ‘tell’ us what’s going on.  They almost always tell people what they want them to think is going on.  Let&#039;s just say the truth is not high on there list.  I know what is the truth well 1+1= 2 works for me but these so called experts you see on TV who talk about the economy seem to have there own math kind of like a parallel universe and as we all see now badly flawed math.  But have friends in high places who also use this funny math and not everybody knows this yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>markets, they hire ‘experts’ who appear on media and these expert then ‘tell’ us what’s going on.  They almost always tell people what they want them to think is going on.  Let&#8217;s just say the truth is not high on there list.  I know what is the truth well 1+1= 2 works for me but these so called experts you see on TV who talk about the economy seem to have there own math kind of like a parallel universe and as we all see now badly flawed math.  But have friends in high places who also use this funny math and not everybody knows this yet.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32672</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do gangs which r devoid of pangs (when it comes to oppression/violence) care ab understandings?
don&#039;t gangs care only ab own wellbeing?  ie, have jewelry, secured palaces, big cars, shares, power?
since gangs or the biggest one in the world, the one in US, knows well there is no knowledge ab economy/markets, they hire  &#039;experts&#039;  who appear on media and these expert then &#039;tell&#039; us what&#039;s going on.
as some people say, one can only describe what is going on; then form conclusions, and later recommend what ought to be done.
but descriptions (facts), people tell me, r also theoretical. thus whatever one says cld be in error since factual statements (descriptions) can be evaluated as mere theory and not as knowledge.
the  &#039;experts&#039;,  generals, politicos oft first form a conclusion and defend it by more conclusions. 
if facts enter the picture, only those facts r admitted which support one&#039;s theories, conclusions.
i&#039;m sure that 80 of people anywhere, and not just canada, wld have no clue what  i&#039;m talking about.
another method of obnubilation is to relabel what one had said and then use his/her label as proof that the other person is wrong.
eg, iraq invasion was undertaken almost solely based on conclusions; it&#039;s been defended mostly by other conclusions, interspersed w. peripheral facts.
one conclusion, the most important one, was studiously left out: US is in iraq largely or solely in order to remain in iraq for decades and from there to attack or threaten othe lands.
saddam was labeled as epitome of evil and had to go. and  natch, if one is labeld evil, that person must be killed. 
this means that US can merely label anyone it doesn&#039;t like &quot;evil&quot; and from this conclusion form another that we have to invade his country in order to eliminate the evil.
this reasoning is unsane.  but i cld be wrong. perhaps most people know all this? thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do gangs which r devoid of pangs (when it comes to oppression/violence) care ab understandings?<br />
don&#8217;t gangs care only ab own wellbeing?  ie, have jewelry, secured palaces, big cars, shares, power?<br />
since gangs or the biggest one in the world, the one in US, knows well there is no knowledge ab economy/markets, they hire  &#8216;experts&#8217;  who appear on media and these expert then &#8216;tell&#8217; us what&#8217;s going on.<br />
as some people say, one can only describe what is going on; then form conclusions, and later recommend what ought to be done.<br />
but descriptions (facts), people tell me, r also theoretical. thus whatever one says cld be in error since factual statements (descriptions) can be evaluated as mere theory and not as knowledge.<br />
the  &#8216;experts&#8217;,  generals, politicos oft first form a conclusion and defend it by more conclusions.<br />
if facts enter the picture, only those facts r admitted which support one&#8217;s theories, conclusions.<br />
i&#8217;m sure that 80 of people anywhere, and not just canada, wld have no clue what  i&#8217;m talking about.<br />
another method of obnubilation is to relabel what one had said and then use his/her label as proof that the other person is wrong.<br />
eg, iraq invasion was undertaken almost solely based on conclusions; it&#8217;s been defended mostly by other conclusions, interspersed w. peripheral facts.<br />
one conclusion, the most important one, was studiously left out: US is in iraq largely or solely in order to remain in iraq for decades and from there to attack or threaten othe lands.<br />
saddam was labeled as epitome of evil and had to go. and  natch, if one is labeld evil, that person must be killed.<br />
this means that US can merely label anyone it doesn&#8217;t like &#8220;evil&#8221; and from this conclusion form another that we have to invade his country in order to eliminate the evil.<br />
this reasoning is unsane.  but i cld be wrong. perhaps most people know all this? thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/#comment-32663</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The market&#039;s I have to admit are complex sort of.  The biggest part of that complexity is complex to seem complex.  At any given time only a few people of the 6 plus billion can understand only parts of it.  Now the Earth works not in complex terms but basic terms.  The hardest part the last ten years was to see back in time history and people we are in big trouble not only from what we see in the past but what we now see in the present.  Can you see into the past I mean see the past happen of course Key West as the sun goes down guess what the sun you are looking at is 8 minutes in the past.  Then look at the night sky those stars are millions and billions of years in the past.  They know that there are galaxies out there far far away that we can&#039;t see because the Universe is expanding and those galaxies are moving away from us faster than the speed of light.  There is still time to slow climate change maybe but we need to move faster than the speed of light.  For us human&#039;s there is one way imagination it could just work.  Worth a try, yes.  Have a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The market&#8217;s I have to admit are complex sort of.  The biggest part of that complexity is complex to seem complex.  At any given time only a few people of the 6 plus billion can understand only parts of it.  Now the Earth works not in complex terms but basic terms.  The hardest part the last ten years was to see back in time history and people we are in big trouble not only from what we see in the past but what we now see in the present.  Can you see into the past I mean see the past happen of course Key West as the sun goes down guess what the sun you are looking at is 8 minutes in the past.  Then look at the night sky those stars are millions and billions of years in the past.  They know that there are galaxies out there far far away that we can&#8217;t see because the Universe is expanding and those galaxies are moving away from us faster than the speed of light.  There is still time to slow climate change maybe but we need to move faster than the speed of light.  For us human&#8217;s there is one way imagination it could just work.  Worth a try, yes.  Have a good one.</p>
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