Comments on: Triumph of the Money Party http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/triumph-of-the-money-party/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Phil http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/triumph-of-the-money-party/#comment-32324 Phil Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:14:36 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4803#comment-32324 Actually, let's not forget that Lieberman serves two interests equally - corporate America and violent Israeli extremism. <i>"...all too often they don’t see their leaders coming together to tackle these problems. Instead, they see Democrats and Republicans fighting each other, rather than fighting for the American people.”</i> All too true. He just doesn't mention that when the Republicrats and Demicans do come together, it's still never to fight for the American people. Quite the opposite. Actually, let’s not forget that Lieberman serves two interests equally – corporate America and violent Israeli extremism.

“…all too often they don’t see their leaders coming together to tackle these problems. Instead, they see Democrats and Republicans fighting each other, rather than fighting for the American people.”

All too true. He just doesn’t mention that when the Republicrats and Demicans do come together, it’s still never to fight for the American people. Quite the opposite.

]]> By: Michael Collins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/triumph-of-the-money-party/#comment-32289 Michael Collins Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:32:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4803#comment-32289 bozhidar bob, I agree. The ends have been the same for decades. Ironically, Lincoln, whom Obama is supposedly studying now, was of an era where policies met strong opposition. He tried to end the U.S. invasion of Mexico, without success. Nevertheless, at that time, people were bold enough to speak up and castigate those carrying out a policy viewed as immoral an illegal. Who are our Lincoln's? Those are not allowed by the Matrix media managers who insist in marginalizing anyone with strong dissent from the mainstream pablum. Those same managers are creating the myth of a stupid people following their new "hero," while, at the same time, pretending that the world will love us for this election choice. I suspect the world is relieved that we finally got an honest vote count and someone without overt pathology. As for "hero" worship, any politician needs to understand that the people have substantive issues in mind - no more wars, stopping the theft from the U.S. (aka Wall Street) Treasury, helping save the planet, etc. Hero status is temporary, if it even exists. Actions are the measure for the citizens here and those around the world watching. bozhidar bob, I agree. The ends have been the same for decades. Ironically, Lincoln, whom Obama is supposedly studying now, was of an era where policies met strong opposition. He tried to end the U.S. invasion of Mexico, without success. Nevertheless, at that time, people were bold enough to speak up and castigate those carrying out a policy viewed as immoral an illegal. Who are our Lincoln’s? Those are not allowed by the Matrix media managers who insist in marginalizing anyone with strong dissent from the mainstream pablum.

Those same managers are creating the myth of a stupid people following their new “hero,” while, at the same time, pretending that the world will love us for this election choice. I suspect the world is relieved that we finally got an honest vote count and someone without overt pathology. As for “hero” worship, any politician needs to understand that the people have substantive issues in mind – no more wars, stopping the theft from the U.S. (aka Wall Street) Treasury, helping save the planet, etc. Hero status is temporary, if it even exists. Actions are the measure for the citizens here and those around the world watching.

]]> By: bozhidar bob balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/triumph-of-the-money-party/#comment-32287 bozhidar bob balkas Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:58:59 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4803#comment-32287 i bet rosemarie. as an aside, nobody in the world can split uncle sam in two. do the politicos know that? i say they all? do. thus there is no two policies in US. there r tactical differences btwn dems nad reps. in other words, the differences r not in kind/strategy but in the ways to obtain their strategic goals. thnx i bet rosemarie.
as an aside, nobody in the world can split uncle sam in two. do the politicos know that?
i say they all? do. thus there is no two policies in US. there r tactical differences btwn dems nad reps.
in other words, the differences r not in kind/strategy but in the ways to obtain their strategic goals. thnx

]]> By: Michael Collins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/triumph-of-the-money-party/#comment-32286 Michael Collins Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:54:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4803#comment-32286 rosemarie, I'll bet that you never hear another word from the office or that you get a form letter indicating the member's committment to something useless and vague. They don't care because they don't have to. They're not working for us, it's all about their personal enrichment and aggrandizement. The point about "he may be less stringently against the public than his predecessors and hopefully a bit more balanced in foreign affairs because of his" is a good one. They'll loosen the grip a bit thinking that letting off some steam will calm us. It won't work out that way. There are so many lined up to blow any number of scandals wide open, they'll never hear the end of it. My litmus test is the internet thought control bill, which I wrote about some time ago. It passed the House 400-6 and is now in Lieberman's committee. Obama tacitly endorsed it. If they pass this, it is a sign of extreme bad faith. I'm willing to give Obama 90 days after he's in the chair to prove himself one way or another (barring any invasions or other outrages before that). The public isn't ready to give up on "hope" and the evidence needs to be clear. Here' s the internet control stuff: <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0712/S00247.htm" rel="nofollow">By an overwhelming majority... Congress Brings You Thought Control on the Internet Dec. 19, 2008</a> <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0712/S00248.htm" rel="nofollow">Internet Thought Control Bill Under Fire Dec. 19, 2008</a> rosemarie, I’ll bet that you never hear another word from the office or that you get a form letter indicating the member’s committment to something useless and vague. They don’t care because they don’t have to. They’re not working for us, it’s all about their personal enrichment and aggrandizement.

The point about “he may be less stringently against the public than his predecessors and hopefully a bit more balanced in foreign affairs because of his” is a good one. They’ll loosen the grip a bit thinking that letting off some steam will calm us. It won’t work out that way. There are so many lined up to blow any number of scandals wide open, they’ll never hear the end of it.

My litmus test is the internet thought control bill, which I wrote about some time ago. It passed the House 400-6 and is now in Lieberman’s committee. Obama tacitly endorsed it. If they pass this, it is a sign of extreme bad faith. I’m willing to give Obama 90 days after he’s in the chair to prove himself one way or another (barring any invasions or other outrages before that). The public isn’t ready to give up on “hope” and the evidence needs to be clear.

Here’ s the internet control stuff:

By an overwhelming majority… Congress Brings You Thought Control on the Internet Dec. 19, 2008

Internet Thought Control Bill Under Fire Dec. 19, 2008

]]> By: rosemarie jackowski http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/triumph-of-the-money-party/#comment-32264 rosemarie jackowski Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:04:43 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4803#comment-32264 Good topic here. About USA being first - we are 29th in infant mortality. Yes, it is the Congress that is responsible for the economy and the wars. It was the dems that sided with Bush and pushed through the 700 billion money laundering fraud. My Congressman changed his vote from 'no' to 'yes' after just one phone call from Obama - ignoring thousands of phone calls from citizens who were opposed to the bailout. I made a phone call to that Congressman. Asked his office what they would do to help consumers who had credit card debt. Citi card is one that is doubling interest rates, even on those who have never been late with a payment. I explained the issue to the Congressman's office staff. Requested that they make a phone call to the company on behalf of consumers. I was told that it would be 'unethical' for a Congressman's office to make a call on in support of consumers. My answer was that that since the Congress created this problem by not having a limit on interest rates, and then exacerbated the problem by giving taxpayer money to company, it would be UNETHICAL for the congressman not to support the consumers. I was told that they would get 'back to me'. Anybody want to bet that they never call back? Good topic here. About USA being first – we are 29th in infant mortality.
Yes, it is the Congress that is responsible for the economy and the wars. It was the dems that sided with Bush and pushed through the 700 billion money laundering fraud. My Congressman changed his vote from ‘no’ to ‘yes’ after just one phone call from Obama – ignoring thousands of phone calls from citizens who were opposed to the bailout.
I made a phone call to that Congressman. Asked his office what they would do to help consumers who had credit card debt. Citi card is one that is doubling interest rates, even on those who have never been late with a payment. I explained the issue to the Congressman’s office staff. Requested that they make a phone call to the company on behalf of consumers. I was told that it would be ‘unethical’ for a Congressman’s office to make a call on in support of consumers. My answer was that that since the Congress created this problem by not having a limit on interest rates, and then exacerbated the problem by giving taxpayer money to company, it would be UNETHICAL for the congressman not to support the consumers. I was told that they would get ‘back to me’. Anybody want to bet that they never call back?

]]> By: gui r. http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/triumph-of-the-money-party/#comment-32260 gui r. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:54:37 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4803#comment-32260 Though one can expect president Obama to cling close to his instructions and to be a loyal servant to the establishment, there is a slight chance that at least for domestic policies he may be less stringently against the public than his predecessors and hopefully a bit more balanced in foreign affairs because of his early experiences outside the confining and stifling provinciality of life within this country. The usual pox of the media may turn against him if he does relent from the war against the people and decide to use diplomacy instead of the usual instant attack mode abroad. But on the other hand he fulfils a true need in the public here for a more idealistic and liberal image, whatever his policies are. Mundus vult decipi ergo decipiatur ! Though one can expect president Obama to cling close to his instructions and to be a loyal servant to the establishment, there is a slight chance that at least for domestic policies he may be less stringently against the public than his predecessors and hopefully a bit more balanced in foreign affairs because of his early experiences outside the confining and stifling provinciality of life within this country. The usual pox of the media may turn against him if he does relent from the war against the people and decide to use diplomacy instead of the usual instant attack mode abroad. But on the other hand he fulfils a true need in the public here for a more idealistic and liberal image, whatever his policies are. Mundus vult decipi ergo decipiatur !

]]> By: bozhidar bob balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/triumph-of-the-money-party/#comment-32259 bozhidar bob balkas Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:17:04 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4803#comment-32259 to iterate: don't blame the victims. by now, we may have noticed that there r all kinds of people among us: gentle, gentler, agressive, more aggressive, trusting, less trusting, greedy, greedier, thieving, more thieving, honest, etcetc. so, why blame a person for being trusting which is one of our noblest characteristics? why reward a liar/deceiver for deceiving a trusting person? why punish honest people along w. dishonest (in all its degrees) people? thnx to iterate: don’t blame the victims. by now, we may have noticed that there r all kinds of people among us: gentle, gentler, agressive, more aggressive, trusting, less trusting, greedy, greedier, thieving, more thieving, honest, etcetc.
so, why blame a person for being trusting which is one of our noblest characteristics?
why reward a liar/deceiver for deceiving a trusting person?
why punish honest people along w. dishonest (in all its degrees) people?
thnx

]]> By: Michael Collins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/triumph-of-the-money-party/#comment-32254 Michael Collins Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:16:25 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4803#comment-32254 Ron, I think the people are much more awake than the Congress, even on their worst day, without coffee! It's an incremental process for those who don't follow politics on a regular basis. Now it's apparent that political parties mean nothing. That's the message from Lieberman, although we knew that a long time ago. Next is the first 90 days of Obama's administration. If it's a program that shuts GITMO but leaves School of the Americas open, that's one clue. The bigger clues are those that the public is waiting for - jobs, putting the crooks who stole billions away, going after the 8 years of crime, to start, etc etc. The "believers" believe in what they want, the people who elected Obama. If they see real action, then they'll be satisfied. If not and they hear, "I never said I was a 'progressive'" then it's going to get very ugly, very quickly. The triumphal march was interrupted by the Senate (the country already knows about the House). Next - an evaluation of the action plan. If there's no measurable action on a broad range of issues, the you know what hits the fan. joed, see this link. It addresses your concerns. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0808/S00099.htm USans, nice. I think that "we're #1" will soon be replaced by "we're broke," possibly the best tool to end empire and "empire talk" available. Ron, I think the people are much more awake than the Congress, even on their worst day, without coffee! It’s an incremental process for those who don’t follow politics on a regular basis. Now it’s apparent that political parties mean nothing. That’s the message from Lieberman, although we knew that a long time ago. Next is the first 90 days of Obama’s administration. If it’s a program that shuts GITMO but leaves School of the Americas open, that’s one clue. The bigger clues are those that the public is waiting for – jobs, putting the crooks who stole billions away, going after the 8 years of crime, to start, etc etc. The “believers” believe in what they want, the people who elected Obama. If they see real action, then they’ll be satisfied. If not and they hear, “I never said I was a ‘progressive’” then it’s going to get very ugly, very quickly.

The triumphal march was interrupted by the Senate (the country already knows about the House). Next – an evaluation of the action plan. If there’s no measurable action on a broad range of issues, the you know what hits the fan.

joed, see this link. It addresses your concerns.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0808/S00099.htm

USans, nice. I think that “we’re #1″ will soon be replaced by “we’re broke,” possibly the best tool to end empire and “empire talk” available.

]]> By: HR http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/triumph-of-the-money-party/#comment-32246 HR Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:18:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4803#comment-32246 joed, some of us do have a clue, but I gotta agree that we do get, and have gotten, exactly the government we deserve, and that your solution, or something similar, are the only realistic ones. However, we USans would rather sit around and chant, "U.S.A., U.S.A.," or, "Yes, we can," in unison and under the direction of clever propaganda artists all day, and then go pray to various nonexistent beings than actually do something positive and useful. There was at least one REAL choice on most of our ballots: Nader/Gonzalez. And we could have written in McKinney/Clemente. But no, we'd rather continue shooting ourselves in the foot. We are so doomed ... and so deserving of it. joed, some of us do have a clue, but I gotta agree that we do get, and have gotten, exactly the government we deserve, and that your solution, or something similar, are the only realistic ones. However, we USans would rather sit around and chant, “U.S.A., U.S.A.,” or, “Yes, we can,” in unison and under the direction of clever propaganda artists all day, and then go pray to various nonexistent beings than actually do something positive and useful. There was at least one REAL choice on most of our ballots: Nader/Gonzalez. And we could have written in McKinney/Clemente. But no, we’d rather continue shooting ourselves in the foot. We are so doomed … and so deserving of it.

]]> By: joed http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/triumph-of-the-money-party/#comment-32238 joed Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:50:23 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4803#comment-32238 you amerikans ain't got a clue as to how screwed you really are. the only way to make thing right is for you guys to go to dc and arrest the murderous thugs in the bush/cheney gang, arrest 98% of the congress and arrest the entire scotus. but this wont happen and therefore you guys got the govt that you deserve. this is the only action that will save you guys; arrest, arrest, arrest. too bad you guys cant figure this out. but what really get me is that you wont even go to the streets to make noise. intimidated by the bush/cheney gang. hardship and sacrifice are the only way to create real change. you have to arrest today, tomorrow is too late. you amerikans ain’t got a clue as to how screwed you really are. the only way to make thing right is for you guys to go to dc and arrest the murderous thugs in the bush/cheney gang, arrest 98% of the congress and arrest the entire scotus. but this wont happen and therefore you guys got the govt that you deserve. this is the only action that will save you guys; arrest, arrest, arrest. too bad you guys cant figure this out. but what really get me is that you wont even go to the streets to make noise. intimidated by the bush/cheney gang. hardship and sacrifice are the only way to create real change. you have to arrest today, tomorrow is too late.

]]> By: Ron Horn http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/triumph-of-the-money-party/#comment-32224 Ron Horn Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:02:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4803#comment-32224 Wonderful! People are beginning to wake up. Wonderful! People are beginning to wake up.

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