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	<title>Comments on: The Entitlement of Wealth and the Ecological Consequences</title>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-entitlement-of-wealth-and-the-ecological-consequences/#comment-32365</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I forgot something kind of important.  President Obama do you read DV?  Because the people who write on DV or read DV will be watching with great interest if you are the man you say you are.  Then there is all those other minds out there the smartest minds on this planet who will be kind of keeping on eye on the way you move forward.  I know one thing for sure if I see Greenwash I will try my best to see a few million people out front of your office to wake you up.  The truth the whole truth.  We know this will not be easy but we will work with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I forgot something kind of important.  President Obama do you read DV?  Because the people who write on DV or read DV will be watching with great interest if you are the man you say you are.  Then there is all those other minds out there the smartest minds on this planet who will be kind of keeping on eye on the way you move forward.  I know one thing for sure if I see Greenwash I will try my best to see a few million people out front of your office to wake you up.  The truth the whole truth.  We know this will not be easy but we will work with you.</p>
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		<title>By: James Keye</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-entitlement-of-wealth-and-the-ecological-consequences/#comment-32363</link>
		<dc:creator>James Keye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony,

It is my view and my argument that we must get past the details of the present economic models.  If we argue the details of capitalism vs. socialism/communism, we are not really touching the most important concern: that the production and distribution of primary biological needs are dependent on an economic growth model, a model that is violently opposed to the homeostatic designs of living things.  The underlying biophysical reality is coming closer and closer to the massive effects of an extinction event – we are actually in such an event.  We are faced with 3 alternative futures: 1) a very broad based, knowledge driven set of actions to reduce human impact on the biosphere while minimizing the destructive consequences to human existence, 2) the assertion of privilege by elites to take charge and intentionally radically reduce population as a way to reduce human impact or 3) deny our precarious position and be washed over by the environment and economic collapses lined up like waves from a coming storm.  All offer great pain and suffering; none are futures we would design for ourselves, but that is beside the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,</p>
<p>It is my view and my argument that we must get past the details of the present economic models.  If we argue the details of capitalism vs. socialism/communism, we are not really touching the most important concern: that the production and distribution of primary biological needs are dependent on an economic growth model, a model that is violently opposed to the homeostatic designs of living things.  The underlying biophysical reality is coming closer and closer to the massive effects of an extinction event – we are actually in such an event.  We are faced with 3 alternative futures: 1) a very broad based, knowledge driven set of actions to reduce human impact on the biosphere while minimizing the destructive consequences to human existence, 2) the assertion of privilege by elites to take charge and intentionally radically reduce population as a way to reduce human impact or 3) deny our precarious position and be washed over by the environment and economic collapses lined up like waves from a coming storm.  All offer great pain and suffering; none are futures we would design for ourselves, but that is beside the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-entitlement-of-wealth-and-the-ecological-consequences/#comment-32362</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beware of alternative approaches, such as ‘percent emission reduction goals’ and ‘cap
and trade’. These are subterfuges designed to allow business-as-usual to continue, under a
pretense of action, a greenwashing. Hordes of lobbyists will argue for these approaches,
which assure their continued employment. The ineffectiveness of ‘goals’ and ‘caps’ is made
blatantly obvious by the fact that the countries promoting them are planning to build more
coal-fired power plants.

Implications. All of the slack in the schedule for averting climate disasters has been
used up. The time has past for ‘goals’, half-measures, greenwashing, and compromises with
special interests.
We have already overshot the safe level of greenhouse gases. Things are just beginning
to crumble – Arctic ice is melting, methane is bubbling from permafrost, mountain glaciers
are disappearing. We must move onto a different course within the next year or two to avoid
committing the planet to accelerating climate changes out of our control.
Geophysical boundary constraints are crystal clear: coal emissions must be phased out
and emissions from unconventional fossil fuels (tar shale, tar sands, e.g.) must be prohibited.
Priorities for solving the climate and energy problems, while stimulating the economy
are steps to: (1) improve energy efficiency, (2) develop and deploy renewable energies, (3)
modernize and expand a ‘smart’ electric grid, (4) develop 4th generation nuclear power, (5)
develop carbon capture and sequestration capability.

Transition to the post-fossil-fuel era with clean atmosphere and ocean, requires a carbon
tax. That tax will cause unconventional fossil fuels to be left in the ground, as well as much
coal and some oil and gas that resides in remote regions. The public will accept such a tax if
the funds are returned entirely to the public, no funds going to Washington and other capitols
for politicians and lobbyists to determine its fate. Tax and 100 percent dividend is not
sufficient by itself – many other actions are needed – but it is necessary. No time remains for
a transition via ineffectual half measures.

Frank communication with the public is essential. At present, all around the world,
governments are guilty of greenwash, an implausible approach of goals and half-measures
that will barely slow the growth of CO2. The world, not just the United States, needs an open
honest discussion of what is needed. It is a tremendous burden to place on the Presidentelect,
who seems to be the only potential candidate. The only chance seems to be if he
understands the truth – the whole truth.

Young people realize that they, their children, and the unborn will bear the consequences
of our actions or inactions. They do not blame their parents, who legitimately ‘did not know’
what they were starting. Young people have recently worked hard to influence the
democratic process. Now they expect the system to take appropriate actions. If that does not
happen, surely they will begin to raise their voices louder.  James Hansen

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/20081121_Obama.pdf   Read all of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware of alternative approaches, such as ‘percent emission reduction goals’ and ‘cap<br />
and trade’. These are subterfuges designed to allow business-as-usual to continue, under a<br />
pretense of action, a greenwashing. Hordes of lobbyists will argue for these approaches,<br />
which assure their continued employment. The ineffectiveness of ‘goals’ and ‘caps’ is made<br />
blatantly obvious by the fact that the countries promoting them are planning to build more<br />
coal-fired power plants.</p>
<p>Implications. All of the slack in the schedule for averting climate disasters has been<br />
used up. The time has past for ‘goals’, half-measures, greenwashing, and compromises with<br />
special interests.<br />
We have already overshot the safe level of greenhouse gases. Things are just beginning<br />
to crumble – Arctic ice is melting, methane is bubbling from permafrost, mountain glaciers<br />
are disappearing. We must move onto a different course within the next year or two to avoid<br />
committing the planet to accelerating climate changes out of our control.<br />
Geophysical boundary constraints are crystal clear: coal emissions must be phased out<br />
and emissions from unconventional fossil fuels (tar shale, tar sands, e.g.) must be prohibited.<br />
Priorities for solving the climate and energy problems, while stimulating the economy<br />
are steps to: (1) improve energy efficiency, (2) develop and deploy renewable energies, (3)<br />
modernize and expand a ‘smart’ electric grid, (4) develop 4th generation nuclear power, (5)<br />
develop carbon capture and sequestration capability.</p>
<p>Transition to the post-fossil-fuel era with clean atmosphere and ocean, requires a carbon<br />
tax. That tax will cause unconventional fossil fuels to be left in the ground, as well as much<br />
coal and some oil and gas that resides in remote regions. The public will accept such a tax if<br />
the funds are returned entirely to the public, no funds going to Washington and other capitols<br />
for politicians and lobbyists to determine its fate. Tax and 100 percent dividend is not<br />
sufficient by itself – many other actions are needed – but it is necessary. No time remains for<br />
a transition via ineffectual half measures.</p>
<p>Frank communication with the public is essential. At present, all around the world,<br />
governments are guilty of greenwash, an implausible approach of goals and half-measures<br />
that will barely slow the growth of CO2. The world, not just the United States, needs an open<br />
honest discussion of what is needed. It is a tremendous burden to place on the Presidentelect,<br />
who seems to be the only potential candidate. The only chance seems to be if he<br />
understands the truth – the whole truth.</p>
<p>Young people realize that they, their children, and the unborn will bear the consequences<br />
of our actions or inactions. They do not blame their parents, who legitimately ‘did not know’<br />
what they were starting. Young people have recently worked hard to influence the<br />
democratic process. Now they expect the system to take appropriate actions. If that does not<br />
happen, surely they will begin to raise their voices louder.  James Hansen</p>
<p><a href="http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/20081121_Obama.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/20081121_Obama.pdf</a>   Read all of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-entitlement-of-wealth-and-the-ecological-consequences/#comment-32359</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony I am very very sure that is the main part of that new way of thinking.  The problem is when should we get started?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony I am very very sure that is the main part of that new way of thinking.  The problem is when should we get started?</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-entitlement-of-wealth-and-the-ecological-consequences/#comment-32354</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By advice we can not change a system. If man is powerful than other species, so what governs humans? the society which they live in. the base of a society is economy. In imperialist stage of capitalism, the engine of economic system is Finance-Capital. That is why with the failure of Finance-Capital the whole system will crumble. Before this crisis nobody had the courage to talk about the demise of capitalism especially in US, but now here and there people are talking about the alternative. Care about the environment as a whole is possible only in a system which is based on fulfilling the human needs, not his greeds. This article which I liked talks about the alternative:
http://democracyandsocialism.com/Articles/ALittleTalkAboutSocialism.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By advice we can not change a system. If man is powerful than other species, so what governs humans? the society which they live in. the base of a society is economy. In imperialist stage of capitalism, the engine of economic system is Finance-Capital. That is why with the failure of Finance-Capital the whole system will crumble. Before this crisis nobody had the courage to talk about the demise of capitalism especially in US, but now here and there people are talking about the alternative. Care about the environment as a whole is possible only in a system which is based on fulfilling the human needs, not his greeds. This article which I liked talks about the alternative:<br />
<a href="http://democracyandsocialism.com/Articles/ALittleTalkAboutSocialism.html" rel="nofollow">http://democracyandsocialism.com/Articles/ALittleTalkAboutSocialism.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-entitlement-of-wealth-and-the-ecological-consequences/#comment-32346</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El Nino has been kind to us for a few years.  You can go to NOAA to get forecasts and upon it&#039;s return this next time could be a real eye opener.  Could get that new way of thinking moving a bit faster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Nino has been kind to us for a few years.  You can go to NOAA to get forecasts and upon it&#8217;s return this next time could be a real eye opener.  Could get that new way of thinking moving a bit faster.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-entitlement-of-wealth-and-the-ecological-consequences/#comment-32344</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is Def Leppard lyric&#039;s.  Walls Come Tumbling Down.  There is a new way of thinking coming ,oh yes there is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is Def Leppard lyric&#8217;s.  Walls Come Tumbling Down.  There is a new way of thinking coming ,oh yes there is.</p>
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		<title>By: Lijandra</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-entitlement-of-wealth-and-the-ecological-consequences/#comment-32337</link>
		<dc:creator>Lijandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for great article.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-entitlement-of-wealth-and-the-ecological-consequences/#comment-32320</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn’t this a sad travesty of the truth? If you rob a bank of a few thousand dollars, you are inevitably arrested and sent to prison. If you rob the entire international banking system, you not only receive a pat on the back but also a handsome retirement package. If you are personally unable to pay your debts to the banks, you are hauled before the courts and have both your movable and immovable property confiscated. But if the bank is unable to pay its debts, it is bailed out with catastrophic urgency. If you fail to pay your insurance premium, your policy is terminated. But if the insurance company falters, it is nationalized by the government while the CEO is relieved of his job with a multi-million dollar severance package.  Devinder Sharma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn’t this a sad travesty of the truth? If you rob a bank of a few thousand dollars, you are inevitably arrested and sent to prison. If you rob the entire international banking system, you not only receive a pat on the back but also a handsome retirement package. If you are personally unable to pay your debts to the banks, you are hauled before the courts and have both your movable and immovable property confiscated. But if the bank is unable to pay its debts, it is bailed out with catastrophic urgency. If you fail to pay your insurance premium, your policy is terminated. But if the insurance company falters, it is nationalized by the government while the CEO is relieved of his job with a multi-million dollar severance package.  Devinder Sharma</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-entitlement-of-wealth-and-the-ecological-consequences/#comment-32319</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walls Come Tumbling Down

You don&#039;t have to take this crap
You don&#039;t have to sit back and relax
You can actually try to change it
I know we&#039;ve always been taught to rely
Upon those in authority
But you never know until you try
How things just might be
If we come together so strongly
Are you gonna make this work
Or spend your days down in the dirt
You see things can change
YES an&#039; walls can come tumbling down!
Government&#039;s crack and systems fall
&#039;Cause unity is powerful
Lights go out- walls come tumbling down!
Yes they do yes they do
Yes they do yes they do
The competition is a colour TV
We&#039;re on still pause on the video machine
They keep you slaves to the H.P.
Until the unity is threatened by
Those who have and who have not
Those who are with and those who are without
And dangle jobs like the donkey&#039;s carrot
Until you don&#039;t know where you are
Are you gonna get to realise
The class war&#039;s real and not mythologised
And like Jericho- Yes walls can come tumbling down!
Government&#039;s crack and systems fall
&#039;Cause unity is powerful
Lights go out- walls come tumbling
Down we&#039;re be to weak to fight it
Down not if we&#039;re united
Down when you&#039;re united
Are you gonna be threatened by
The public enemy No. 10
Those who play the power game
They take the profits -you take the blame
When they tell you there&#039;s no rise in pay
Are you gonna try an&#039; make this work
Or spend your days down in the dirt
You see things CAN change
Walls can come tumbling down!
Government&#039;s crack and systems fall
&#039;Cause unity is powerful
Lights go out- walls come tumbling down!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walls Come Tumbling Down</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to take this crap<br />
You don&#8217;t have to sit back and relax<br />
You can actually try to change it<br />
I know we&#8217;ve always been taught to rely<br />
Upon those in authority<br />
But you never know until you try<br />
How things just might be<br />
If we come together so strongly<br />
Are you gonna make this work<br />
Or spend your days down in the dirt<br />
You see things can change<br />
YES an&#8217; walls can come tumbling down!<br />
Government&#8217;s crack and systems fall<br />
&#8216;Cause unity is powerful<br />
Lights go out- walls come tumbling down!<br />
Yes they do yes they do<br />
Yes they do yes they do<br />
The competition is a colour TV<br />
We&#8217;re on still pause on the video machine<br />
They keep you slaves to the H.P.<br />
Until the unity is threatened by<br />
Those who have and who have not<br />
Those who are with and those who are without<br />
And dangle jobs like the donkey&#8217;s carrot<br />
Until you don&#8217;t know where you are<br />
Are you gonna get to realise<br />
The class war&#8217;s real and not mythologised<br />
And like Jericho- Yes walls can come tumbling down!<br />
Government&#8217;s crack and systems fall<br />
&#8216;Cause unity is powerful<br />
Lights go out- walls come tumbling<br />
Down we&#8217;re be to weak to fight it<br />
Down not if we&#8217;re united<br />
Down when you&#8217;re united<br />
Are you gonna be threatened by<br />
The public enemy No. 10<br />
Those who play the power game<br />
They take the profits -you take the blame<br />
When they tell you there&#8217;s no rise in pay<br />
Are you gonna try an&#8217; make this work<br />
Or spend your days down in the dirt<br />
You see things CAN change<br />
Walls can come tumbling down!<br />
Government&#8217;s crack and systems fall<br />
&#8216;Cause unity is powerful<br />
Lights go out- walls come tumbling down!</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar  bob  balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-entitlement-of-wealth-and-the-ecological-consequences/#comment-32318</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar  bob  balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, as s&#039;mone had already said &quot;to be is to be related&quot;.   a worm, beetle, snake cannot exist unless it is affected by and related  to everything else.
gas burning vehicles r related to enviroment and we know the exhaust is damaging people/biota.
who controls/mainatains such a damaging system of travel?  oil men, politicians, other rich people!? thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, as s&#8217;mone had already said &#8220;to be is to be related&#8221;.   a worm, beetle, snake cannot exist unless it is affected by and related  to everything else.<br />
gas burning vehicles r related to enviroment and we know the exhaust is damaging people/biota.<br />
who controls/mainatains such a damaging system of travel?  oil men, politicians, other rich people!? thnx</p>
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