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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-backstory-of-the-vermont-election/#comment-32986</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deadbeat... Basically I agree with what you say. The problem is that at the present time there is no alternative to the local newspaper. Maybe there should be community owned papers but how would they be financed?  I have been trying to interest anyone  and everyone to start such a small local paper.  I cannot overcome the financing hurdle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat&#8230; Basically I agree with what you say. The problem is that at the present time there is no alternative to the local newspaper. Maybe there should be community owned papers but how would they be financed?  I have been trying to interest anyone  and everyone to start such a small local paper.  I cannot overcome the financing hurdle.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-backstory-of-the-vermont-election/#comment-32953</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. Jackowski writes...

&lt;i&gt;Deadbeat… You assume that ethics would be contrary to the interest of privately owned companies. I do not agree.&lt;/i&gt;

Journalistic ethics has always been a problem with privately owned companies.  You can go back and see cartoons from the early part of the 20th century that has the newspaper editor dress as a bride getting married to the advertisers dressed as a groom.  I&#039;m not assuming that ethic and private ownership is contradictory and stating unequivocally that they are.

Also I am not implying that the Internet is availible to all although many public libraries has Internet access.  I have a homeless friend who is quite capable of sending email this way.  What I am saying is that the Left cannot count on the oligarch domination of the newspaper and TV industry to get its message across.  They are going to have to find other means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Jackowski writes&#8230;</p>
<p><i>Deadbeat… You assume that ethics would be contrary to the interest of privately owned companies. I do not agree.</i></p>
<p>Journalistic ethics has always been a problem with privately owned companies.  You can go back and see cartoons from the early part of the 20th century that has the newspaper editor dress as a bride getting married to the advertisers dressed as a groom.  I&#8217;m not assuming that ethic and private ownership is contradictory and stating unequivocally that they are.</p>
<p>Also I am not implying that the Internet is availible to all although many public libraries has Internet access.  I have a homeless friend who is quite capable of sending email this way.  What I am saying is that the Left cannot count on the oligarch domination of the newspaper and TV industry to get its message across.  They are going to have to find other means.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-backstory-of-the-vermont-election/#comment-32943</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deadbeat... You assume that ethics would be contrary to the interest of privately owned companies.  I do not agree. 
You also imply that  the Internet and cell phones are available to all. That is not true.  In addition, there is substantial evidence that a cell phone/coltan is not a good alternative. ALSO, at the recent Congressional hearings on cell phones and cancer, testimony was convincing that there is a FIVE HUNDRED per cent increased risk of cancer in children who had used cell phones.
The bottom line is this - there is no substitute for the local newspaper in most rural communities. Maybe someday, but we are not there yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat&#8230; You assume that ethics would be contrary to the interest of privately owned companies.  I do not agree.<br />
You also imply that  the Internet and cell phones are available to all. That is not true.  In addition, there is substantial evidence that a cell phone/coltan is not a good alternative. ALSO, at the recent Congressional hearings on cell phones and cancer, testimony was convincing that there is a FIVE HUNDRED per cent increased risk of cancer in children who had used cell phones.<br />
The bottom line is this &#8211; there is no substitute for the local newspaper in most rural communities. Maybe someday, but we are not there yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-backstory-of-the-vermont-election/#comment-32941</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rosemarie Jackowski writes...

&lt;i&gt;Private companies that own newspapers have editorial rights. That right should be respected. Every newspaper has the right to print, or not print, anything it wants. That is not the issue. The issue is the lack of journalistic ethics. Ethics are not required by law - or are they? If any individual interfered with the electoral process in such an extreme way that it influenced the outcome of an election, would it be acceptable?&lt;/i&gt;

The aforementioned by Ms. Jackowski is contradictory.  How can there be journalistic ethics with newspapers privately owned by oligarchs?   Trying to get the oligarchs to go against their interest seem futile to me.  It is going to take time for people to adjust to different and alternative sources of information.

The youth seem to do that during the Obama campaign through the use of the Internet and their cell phones.  The Left has to become more savvy at using new and creative outlets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosemarie Jackowski writes&#8230;</p>
<p><i>Private companies that own newspapers have editorial rights. That right should be respected. Every newspaper has the right to print, or not print, anything it wants. That is not the issue. The issue is the lack of journalistic ethics. Ethics are not required by law &#8211; or are they? If any individual interfered with the electoral process in such an extreme way that it influenced the outcome of an election, would it be acceptable?</i></p>
<p>The aforementioned by Ms. Jackowski is contradictory.  How can there be journalistic ethics with newspapers privately owned by oligarchs?   Trying to get the oligarchs to go against their interest seem futile to me.  It is going to take time for people to adjust to different and alternative sources of information.</p>
<p>The youth seem to do that during the Obama campaign through the use of the Internet and their cell phones.  The Left has to become more savvy at using new and creative outlets.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-backstory-of-the-vermont-election/#comment-32939</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This happened in Wisconsin, too, where I live.   Right here, in liberal Madison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This happened in Wisconsin, too, where I live.   Right here, in liberal Madison.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-backstory-of-the-vermont-election/#comment-32938</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama can get people working together.  Research is a big part of slowing climate change.  In some way&#039;s a total focus for scientists.  In order to go after this problem a Herculean effort is needed.  The system as we know it will not work needs to change.  So far with Obama not Hercules but Mickey Mouse. Hansen said Obama needs to know the truth the whole truth.  What, he doesn&#039;t know the whole truth I find that very hard to BELIEVE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama can get people working together.  Research is a big part of slowing climate change.  In some way&#8217;s a total focus for scientists.  In order to go after this problem a Herculean effort is needed.  The system as we know it will not work needs to change.  So far with Obama not Hercules but Mickey Mouse. Hansen said Obama needs to know the truth the whole truth.  What, he doesn&#8217;t know the whole truth I find that very hard to BELIEVE.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-backstory-of-the-vermont-election/#comment-32936</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Among scientists they like to keep there discovery&#039;s to themselves secret so somebody will not figure it out first and they win the prize.  That thinking needs to change as the prize this time is the survival of the human race civilization at first.  To me that is a big part of think frank the prize has changed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among scientists they like to keep there discovery&#8217;s to themselves secret so somebody will not figure it out first and they win the prize.  That thinking needs to change as the prize this time is the survival of the human race civilization at first.  To me that is a big part of think frank the prize has changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-backstory-of-the-vermont-election/#comment-32935</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing to it, right.  The people who stand to lose the most money make the most money.  They will not get on board on there own. 

A carbon cap that slows emissions of CO2 does not help, because of the long lifetime of
atmospheric CO2. In fact, the cap exacerbates the problem if it allows coal emissions to
continue. The only solution is to target a (large) portion of the fossil fuel reserves to be left
in the ground or used in a way such that the CO2 can be captured and safely sequestered.

Tax and 100% dividend. A “carbon tax with 100 percent dividend” is required for
reversing the growth of atmospheric CO2. The tax, applied to oil, gas and coal at the mine or
port of entry, is the fairest and most effective way to reduce emissions and transition to the
post fossil fuel era. It would assure that unconventional fossil fuels, such as tar shale and tar
sands, stay in the ground, unless an economic method of capturing the CO2 is developed.

 Beware of alternative approaches, such as ‘percent emission reduction goals’ and ‘cap
and trade’. These are subterfuges designed to allow business-as-usual to continue, under a
pretense of action, a greenwashing. Hordes of lobbyists will argue for these approaches,
which assure their continued employment. The ineffectiveness of ‘goals’ and ‘caps’ is made
blatantly obvious by the fact that the countries promoting them are planning to build more
coal-fired power plants.  Hansen.

  I am already reading many who say cap and trade may not get passed not because it will not work but because the people who stand to lose the most money make the most money.  So the plan that Hansen has using math that helped unlock many of the Universes secrets and not the math used on Wall Street what chance does that have and of course they will yell socialism.  Of course what we have seen the last few months is socialism for the people who make the most money.  There is probably only one way and that is organize and make your voice heard.  Easy to say hard to do.  Some money is needed nonviolence is key it will not work any other way.  Where to start well DV looks like a good place who is the best organizer or who has done it before.  The point of course is to tell the policy makers you know and the time is now.  Think Frank]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing to it, right.  The people who stand to lose the most money make the most money.  They will not get on board on there own. </p>
<p>A carbon cap that slows emissions of CO2 does not help, because of the long lifetime of<br />
atmospheric CO2. In fact, the cap exacerbates the problem if it allows coal emissions to<br />
continue. The only solution is to target a (large) portion of the fossil fuel reserves to be left<br />
in the ground or used in a way such that the CO2 can be captured and safely sequestered.</p>
<p>Tax and 100% dividend. A “carbon tax with 100 percent dividend” is required for<br />
reversing the growth of atmospheric CO2. The tax, applied to oil, gas and coal at the mine or<br />
port of entry, is the fairest and most effective way to reduce emissions and transition to the<br />
post fossil fuel era. It would assure that unconventional fossil fuels, such as tar shale and tar<br />
sands, stay in the ground, unless an economic method of capturing the CO2 is developed.</p>
<p> Beware of alternative approaches, such as ‘percent emission reduction goals’ and ‘cap<br />
and trade’. These are subterfuges designed to allow business-as-usual to continue, under a<br />
pretense of action, a greenwashing. Hordes of lobbyists will argue for these approaches,<br />
which assure their continued employment. The ineffectiveness of ‘goals’ and ‘caps’ is made<br />
blatantly obvious by the fact that the countries promoting them are planning to build more<br />
coal-fired power plants.  Hansen.</p>
<p>  I am already reading many who say cap and trade may not get passed not because it will not work but because the people who stand to lose the most money make the most money.  So the plan that Hansen has using math that helped unlock many of the Universes secrets and not the math used on Wall Street what chance does that have and of course they will yell socialism.  Of course what we have seen the last few months is socialism for the people who make the most money.  There is probably only one way and that is organize and make your voice heard.  Easy to say hard to do.  Some money is needed nonviolence is key it will not work any other way.  Where to start well DV looks like a good place who is the best organizer or who has done it before.  The point of course is to tell the policy makers you know and the time is now.  Think Frank</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-backstory-of-the-vermont-election/#comment-32932</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don...I agree.  How do we get them on the same page? 
Time IS very important. Maybe, it is already too late. Maybe all of this rhetoric is just like treading water, when we all know that we are drowning and there is no hope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8230;I agree.  How do we get them on the same page?<br />
Time IS very important. Maybe, it is already too late. Maybe all of this rhetoric is just like treading water, when we all know that we are drowning and there is no hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-backstory-of-the-vermont-election/#comment-32924</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s the spirit but we have to do a little more than  “pissing them off”’.  We need to get most of the people on the same page truth and knowledge working together or this may not work out well.  Time is now very important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the spirit but we have to do a little more than  “pissing them off”’.  We need to get most of the people on the same page truth and knowledge working together or this may not work out well.  Time is now very important.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-backstory-of-the-vermont-election/#comment-32923</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Hue...Your last sentence there is a classic. It has warmed my heart and made my day.
Most of the criticism I get is that it is people like  us who are responsible for the wars and the killing because we don&#039;t vote for Dems. There must be some magic formula to break through that kind of denial. I have not yet found the formula. I guess I will just have to keep &quot;pissing them off&#039;&#039;&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Hue&#8230;Your last sentence there is a classic. It has warmed my heart and made my day.<br />
Most of the criticism I get is that it is people like  us who are responsible for the wars and the killing because we don&#8217;t vote for Dems. There must be some magic formula to break through that kind of denial. I have not yet found the formula. I guess I will just have to keep &#8220;pissing them off&#8221;&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/the-backstory-of-the-vermont-election/#comment-32888</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Rosemarie,

The greatest trick these guys pull is getting folks to believe that as they&#039;re  acting in the interests of the incestous power configuration they belong to, that they are somehow being &quot;liberal&quot;.  It&#039;s to the point where so called liberals defend them from accusations from the right.   Where do folks buying into this think their opinions are being formulated if not the media? 

 How often have you been accused of being a ditto head for bringing up scoundrels who served under Clinton? 

Anyways, Thanks for your fight and good luck pissing them off if you can&#039;t get them to think]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Rosemarie,</p>
<p>The greatest trick these guys pull is getting folks to believe that as they&#8217;re  acting in the interests of the incestous power configuration they belong to, that they are somehow being &#8220;liberal&#8221;.  It&#8217;s to the point where so called liberals defend them from accusations from the right.   Where do folks buying into this think their opinions are being formulated if not the media? </p>
<p> How often have you been accused of being a ditto head for bringing up scoundrels who served under Clinton? </p>
<p>Anyways, Thanks for your fight and good luck pissing them off if you can&#8217;t get them to think</p>
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