Comments on: Sabra, Shatila, and Collective Amnesia

By: Jeome Cantor

Jeome Cantor — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:56:10 +0000

Gilad Atzmon did the right thing when he left Israel after the war in Lebanon since he didn’t want to go against the government which initiated the war. To fight the government while in Israel demands as much courage as a soldier under fire plus a willingness to see your whole family hurt. It is much easier to attack the Israeli government policies from a friendly environment like England. The Sabra and Shatila affair was disgraceful but why doesn’t Gilad ask the Christians why they took vengance this way. They think that they had good reason. Israel has made many mistakes in dealing with the Arabs but you can be sure that Arab hands are not as clean as made out to be.

By: paul martin

paul martin — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:59:01 +0000

According to this film, the following should be taken into account. The people (call them soldiers, police or whatever you will) who actually carried out the holocaust should be called to account, but not the planners and minds behind the Final Solution.
Sharon and his people planned this massacre and the Falangists carried it out.
You really need a very twisted mind to justify this.
The Destiny of the Jew is Exodus over and over again. They do not need anybody to help them along this historic journey.
By their deeds they will be judged and dealt with.

By: bozhidar bob balkas

bozhidar bob balkas — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:25:49 +0000

deadbeat,
ok, i take back the word “disingenuous” since after rereading ur post and reading ur follow up, it’s unclear whether the word is apt or not.
however it may be, to me, orthdox ‘jews’ (beware, it’s a danger word; laden w. misconceptions/lies/deceptions) r merely euro-khazarians w a faith.
the orthodoxic euro ‘jews’ r, as i have amply documented, not semitic; exception being real semites of africa and asia.
and most or all afroasian semites w. judaic faith may be arabs and other semites.
that may include also the jerusalem ‘jews’.
u say “zionism is not judaism”. i don’t like to disappoint u ab this.
torah commands hebrews to take canaan by sword. and not only that but the orthos also commanded hebrews to slay every person and all animals of the cities they were to capture and which were situated within borders of the ‘promised’ land.
and to boot, mad priests have ordered hebrews to make servants of the residents of captured cities and which layoutside the borders of the ‘promised’ land.
i undersatnd the orthos r not against an israel but only an israel wrought by euros.
in any case, if i am in error ab much or all of this, i am not in error for denying the ‘jews’ their right to be in palestine or to manipulate prez’s.
i don’t expect anything good from any of them. tnx

By: Deadbeat

Deadbeat — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:38:08 +0000

Bozhidar,

Nothing that I wrote argued against your facts or conclusions. Nor where my remarks about what defines who is or who is not Semitic. I clearly would leave that up to you. It is very interesting background information.

However the author himself specifically referred to “Jewish Identity”. The fact that Zionism has been associated with “Jewish Identity” is not my doing and therefore it is rather “disingenuous” for you to misread my remarks. I am clearly not misreading your remarks. You are presenting a valuable historical insight. However we should let this historical insight obscure what has become a “political and identity norm” especially in the United States. This is especially why I brought up the Orthodox Jews who are ardent anti-Zionist.

But it is also disingenuous to ignore the fact that Zionism is interwoven into “Jewish” (note the quotes) identity (note the italics) especially in the U.S. and it is disingenuous not to discuss this problem.

By: bozhidar bob balkas

bozhidar bob balkas — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:25:03 +0000

that no zionist had prior to ’48 been jewish, the use of ‘yiddish’ (beware) language proves that they had no semitic blood in them.
no semitic people wld have abandoned their semitic language nor semitic religion.
euro-khazarians have been judaistic for just a millenium and not for 3.
and the socalled yiddish language, it’s not yiddish but a germanic slang mostly.
to which much later were addead some semitic words.
let’s not comfort these bastards. tnx

By: bozhidar bob balkas

bozhidar bob balkas — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:40:39 +0000

but hadn’t every prez since 50s sanctified israel/zionism? had churchill not been zionistic? yes, he was. he had said to chaim weitzmann that: It wld be OK if u can take ALL of palestine, but if u can’t, partition will have to do.
trotzky wasn’t but stalin was a zionist. precisely, because most of the khazaro-euros were against religion; ie, were not of judaic faith.
all popes were strongly zionistic. there r 100 times more zionists in canada than in entire ‘jewish’ world.
the rancid jewish ideology in US is shared by ab. 200mn amers. thus we can assert that nearly all amers r zionists.
which obviously worried chomsky. as these rancid people cld an did push the rancied/rabid ashkenazic people into ever greater paroxicism.
he and others didn’t want israel in lebanon or expansion of settlements.
for obvious reasons.
it only takes moment to realize that these criminals will succeed or fail.
i wld not like to live in israel whatever eventual outcome.thnx

By: bozhidar bob balkas

bozhidar bob balkas — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:18:55 +0000

deadbeat,
i evaluate as factual that the euros w. judaic faith are not semitic. catholics of poland or ireland are not italians; they r poles and irish.
if that is false to u, then u juxtapose own facts ab ethnicity of people in question.
denying s’mbody else’s facts is disingenious while at the same not producing their own.
by continuing to call nonjews “jews” or even “zionists” one is abetting criminals and christian imperialism.
am s’mwhat puzzled ab ability of handful of ‘jews’ or criminals in europe to have been able to set up a state of their own in an occupied land.
and being up against 100mn arabs.
no it is not possible. it was possible only because the help of christian lands, the real zionists.
add to this the fact that most of these criminals were not judaic at all, it becomes even clearer what transpired: theft of land by euro empires; both communist and fascist. thnx

By: Deadbeat

Deadbeat — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:56:25 +0000

bozhidar says…

it’s worth repeating. zionists r not a semitic people; thus cannot be jews. so, there is no zionist jew; there r only zionist euros; both the christians and judaists.

This is a careful parsing of the language. Technically speaking bozhidar is correct. Zionism is NOT Judaism. For example, Orthodox Jews have long been outspoken against Zionism and the state of Israel. They were very active, agitated, and outspoken during the anti-war movement in 2003 against the War on Iraq. A few of them found solidarity and got involved with International Answer and were on the forefront in their condemnation and understanding that the war on Iraq was about advancing Zionism’s interest.

However I think the author is making an excellent about about Jewish Identity. What Zionism as done has ingrained itself among Israelis and especially American Jews with its rancid ideology. Zionism is an integral part of Jewish identity which is why Zionism is associated with “Jews”.

As Dr. Petras reported in one of his DV articles, 90% of AIPAC membership is “Jewish” while 10% represents the “Christian Right”. Therefore it is up to anti-Zionist Jews (like the Orthodox Jews, like Dr. Petras, etc) to reject Zionism and speak out against its growing influence.

When you see an African American, like Barack Obama, embrace Zionism in order to get elected President then you can easily see how ubiquitous and influential this ideology is and why it needs to be unambiguously confronted.

By: bozhidar bob balkas

bozhidar bob balkas — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:20:13 +0000

it’s worth repeating. zionists r not a semitic people; thus cannot be jews.
so, there is no zionist jew; there r only zionist euros; both the christians and judaists.
there was never any indians in americas. people who called indigenes of americas “indians” knew it.
we can help indigenes of palestine by acnowledging the fact that zionists r euros.
even if this is not true, err on the side of the victims. thnx

By: mary

mary — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:57:56 +0000

I would like to thank Gilad Atzmon for standing up for the Palestinians in spite of the reproach that he must experience from the Zionist Jews. I expect that the news about the dire situation in Gaza has reached the US. There is no power station operating because the fuel has run out (none is being allowed in) and therefore no sewage stations or water pumps are working; there is little food because UNWRA cannot bring any in as all entries are closed; no journalists are being allowed in and entry has even been denied to a group of British doctors who were intending to help, teach and observe. The blockade or siege is complete and the Israeli oppression of these Palestinians is at an extreme point. 12 have been killed this week alone in Israeli attacks.

International aid agencies are now warning of a humanitarian disaster.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7719880.stm

By: henry harlow

henry harlow — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:44:41 +0000

in hollywood movies there are never any zionist bad guys

By: John Hatch

John Hatch — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:49:22 +0000

As in America, Israel represents the best and the worst of humanity.

As in America, the worst are in preponderance.

By: bozhidar bob balkas

bozhidar bob balkas — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:55:19 +0000

i am very grateful that so many ‘Jews’ (they r an admixture of many voelken) condemn israeli crimes against humanities.
many of which r comparable to the nazi crimes against slavs, ‘gypsies’, et al.
natch, judeo-christian ad hoc alliance (for destruction of palestine) in canada and US write or talk solely or mostly ab nazi crimes against euros w. judaic faith, w. little or no semitic genes.
this not only shows how evil religions can be but proves it. thnx

By: Brian

Brian — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:23:12 +0000

I cannot imagine Rahm Emanuel taking an active interest in this.