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		<title>By: william brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>william brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please send me info concerning incareration nation. i would like to get this info to my friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Joseph Clair</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/incarceration-nation-the-rise-of-a-prison-industrial-complex/#comment-39080</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Clair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, my name is Joseph Clair, author of the book &quot;Life&#039;s Love&quot;. A woman that read the book told me to get it to women in prison. It will surely make a person feel good about themselves separating what they do from who they are as a human being.  I would gladly send a free copy for review.
Other reviews and information about the book can be seen at: lifeslovebook.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, my name is Joseph Clair, author of the book &#8220;Life&#8217;s Love&#8221;. A woman that read the book told me to get it to women in prison. It will surely make a person feel good about themselves separating what they do from who they are as a human being.  I would gladly send a free copy for review.<br />
Other reviews and information about the book can be seen at: lifeslovebook.com</p>
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		<title>By: Ghetto Child</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/incarceration-nation-the-rise-of-a-prison-industrial-complex/#comment-31723</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghetto Child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hospitals, Universities, Prisons etc etc. all suffer from profit first policies.

Still I strongly advocate prison labor. Otherwise we&#039;re breeding career criminals. Let&#039;s face it jail isn&#039;t a deterrent it has become a hot and a cot, a criminal education and some clout in the hood for the destitute. 

Many criminals are released with their minds warped and a more focused hate. If they did honest work and saw projects planned, implemented then carried out  maybe those criminals could take pride in that they can maningfully contribute to society. 

I don&#039;t think we should let Corporate America exploit slave conditions to increase profit (probably tied to tax breaks for them too) but public works like restoring areas affected by urban blight is one place to start. No one else is going to do it because there is no real profit return there. They can be working in some of the areas affected by poverty, drugs and apathy that breed criminals and can be a deterrent to potential criminals who can observe the orange-suited chain gains cleaning up their neighborhood offering some hope to the criminals themselves and blighted ghettos.

Thats not to say there isn&#039;t a segment of the prison, and as well the entire, population that are complete sociopaths and should just locked indefinitely period (or sent to Devil&#039;s Island or something). But if inmates were encouraged to be contributers to society and maybe even offered education, at least through experience, the prison system, criminals, the economy and society would be better served.

Although yes this all starts with liberalizing the laws in the US to avoid chaining a guy who had one small bag of coke next to a murderer. Federal prison has to be amended as well, we all know that white collar crimes (and large time drug dealers who for some reason go to Fed prison) do not and probably would not face the type of forced labor as  state and local prisons.

All crimes (especially drug crimes) are not the same and the evidence is abound throughout the world i.e. Amsterdam, Canada, Germany etc.

I would much rather see prison labor than the youth of America forced to labor under the Obama/Emanuel plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hospitals, Universities, Prisons etc etc. all suffer from profit first policies.</p>
<p>Still I strongly advocate prison labor. Otherwise we&#8217;re breeding career criminals. Let&#8217;s face it jail isn&#8217;t a deterrent it has become a hot and a cot, a criminal education and some clout in the hood for the destitute. </p>
<p>Many criminals are released with their minds warped and a more focused hate. If they did honest work and saw projects planned, implemented then carried out  maybe those criminals could take pride in that they can maningfully contribute to society. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we should let Corporate America exploit slave conditions to increase profit (probably tied to tax breaks for them too) but public works like restoring areas affected by urban blight is one place to start. No one else is going to do it because there is no real profit return there. They can be working in some of the areas affected by poverty, drugs and apathy that breed criminals and can be a deterrent to potential criminals who can observe the orange-suited chain gains cleaning up their neighborhood offering some hope to the criminals themselves and blighted ghettos.</p>
<p>Thats not to say there isn&#8217;t a segment of the prison, and as well the entire, population that are complete sociopaths and should just locked indefinitely period (or sent to Devil&#8217;s Island or something). But if inmates were encouraged to be contributers to society and maybe even offered education, at least through experience, the prison system, criminals, the economy and society would be better served.</p>
<p>Although yes this all starts with liberalizing the laws in the US to avoid chaining a guy who had one small bag of coke next to a murderer. Federal prison has to be amended as well, we all know that white collar crimes (and large time drug dealers who for some reason go to Fed prison) do not and probably would not face the type of forced labor as  state and local prisons.</p>
<p>All crimes (especially drug crimes) are not the same and the evidence is abound throughout the world i.e. Amsterdam, Canada, Germany etc.</p>
<p>I would much rather see prison labor than the youth of America forced to labor under the Obama/Emanuel plans.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Courser</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/incarceration-nation-the-rise-of-a-prison-industrial-complex/#comment-31721</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Courser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is most sick about America&#039;s criminal justice system is the American public buys into the fear and misinformation spread by those that profit from incarceration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is most sick about America&#8217;s criminal justice system is the American public buys into the fear and misinformation spread by those that profit from incarceration.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/incarceration-nation-the-rise-of-a-prison-industrial-complex/#comment-31699</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very scary article.  Unfortunately as the economy heads into the tank, the attention will not be on the Prison Industrial Complex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very scary article.  Unfortunately as the economy heads into the tank, the attention will not be on the Prison Industrial Complex.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Ortega</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Ortega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until there is a complete uprising for those who are targeted for the Prison Industrial Complex&#039;s ,,,this will continue on.  Until we fight with a fury and call out by name all the Wardens, commissioners , Co&#039;s etc and make it a &quot;personal&quot; issue..the goverment will continue to proceed and grow stronger,,,talking about it is good for overall awareness but we must &quot;be about it&quot; in order for real change to occur</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until there is a complete uprising for those who are targeted for the Prison Industrial Complex&#8217;s ,,,this will continue on.  Until we fight with a fury and call out by name all the Wardens, commissioners , Co&#8217;s etc and make it a &#8220;personal&#8221; issue..the goverment will continue to proceed and grow stronger,,,talking about it is good for overall awareness but we must &#8220;be about it&#8221; in order for real change to occur</p>
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		<title>By: Tree</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/incarceration-nation-the-rise-of-a-prison-industrial-complex/#comment-31664</link>
		<dc:creator>Tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been wondering when debtors prisons will come back in vogue.

Great article except for the comparison to the Third Reich.
I saw on the news the other day that a woman who embezzled money from the company she worked for will spend 3-4 years in prison.  What good does this do?  Garner her wages, get the money back, do any form of humane rehabilitation, but there&#039;s no reason to put her in prison.  Yet this is what happens every day in America.  Meanwhile, the Wall Street thieves and scum go free and collect their bonuses...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering when debtors prisons will come back in vogue.</p>
<p>Great article except for the comparison to the Third Reich.<br />
I saw on the news the other day that a woman who embezzled money from the company she worked for will spend 3-4 years in prison.  What good does this do?  Garner her wages, get the money back, do any form of humane rehabilitation, but there&#8217;s no reason to put her in prison.  Yet this is what happens every day in America.  Meanwhile, the Wall Street thieves and scum go free and collect their bonuses&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/incarceration-nation-the-rise-of-a-prison-industrial-complex/#comment-31641</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks,

I&#039;d like to see more by Dr. Bosworth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see more by Dr. Bosworth</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/incarceration-nation-the-rise-of-a-prison-industrial-complex/#comment-31636</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By advice things will not change, why things are like this?
I saw this article helpful:
http://www.left.ru/inter/2004/salari2.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By advice things will not change, why things are like this?<br />
I saw this article helpful:<br />
<a href="http://www.left.ru/inter/2004/salari2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.left.ru/inter/2004/salari2.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/incarceration-nation-the-rise-of-a-prison-industrial-complex/#comment-31615</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In a nation originally founded on personal liberty&quot;

Oh fucking please!  This nation was &#039;founded&#039; on colonialism (including special &#039;prison colonies&#039; down south,) slavery, indentured servitude, genocide, extremely unequal rights, religious bigotry, cheap labor, and poverty.  

What we need is universal, comfortable, humane rehabilitation for everyone, not prisons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In a nation originally founded on personal liberty&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh fucking please!  This nation was &#8216;founded&#8217; on colonialism (including special &#8216;prison colonies&#8217; down south,) slavery, indentured servitude, genocide, extremely unequal rights, religious bigotry, cheap labor, and poverty.  </p>
<p>What we need is universal, comfortable, humane rehabilitation for everyone, not prisons.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While America continues to incarcerate children and others for practically no reason, a &#039;President&#039; and his enablers who resorted to vile torture and who murdered perhaps a million innocent people will be treated with respect. America makes me sick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While America continues to incarcerate children and others for practically no reason, a &#8216;President&#8217; and his enablers who resorted to vile torture and who murdered perhaps a million innocent people will be treated with respect. America makes me sick!</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/incarceration-nation-the-rise-of-a-prison-industrial-complex/#comment-31596</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you expect from a system in which profit is  the bottom line?
America is an inhumane country, which is utterly devoid of ethics, honor &amp; humanity, &amp; the sheeple will soon pay the price for their apathy &amp; indifference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you expect from a system in which profit is  the bottom line?<br />
America is an inhumane country, which is utterly devoid of ethics, honor &amp; humanity, &amp; the sheeple will soon pay the price for their apathy &amp; indifference.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramsefall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramsefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

thanks for the eye opening article. I was familiar with the high rates of incarceration but had no idea of the inflated sentences and plea bargaining, and even less so in regard to labor and testing issues. 

It&#039;s an unacceptable state of affairs and moving even more in that direction, just like everything else in &quot;America&quot; -- care aim? Not likely.

Best to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>thanks for the eye opening article. I was familiar with the high rates of incarceration but had no idea of the inflated sentences and plea bargaining, and even less so in regard to labor and testing issues. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an unacceptable state of affairs and moving even more in that direction, just like everything else in &#8220;America&#8221; &#8212; care aim? Not likely.</p>
<p>Best to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article. I would like to add two things. It is not true than felons are disenfranchised (lose their voting privledges for life). All states have different voting rules but in most of them (all but two) ex-felons regain their right to vote (in fact two states allow prisoners to vote while incarcerated). The sad thing is, most ex-felons don&#039;t realize this so they never vote again. Maybe these draconian laws initiated by the War on Drugs, 3 Stikes rules and Mandatory Sentencing Laws could be reversed or repealed if more former prisoners got out and voted! For a list of states and their ex-felon voting rules go to:
http://www.sentencingproject.org/Admin%5CDocuments%5Cpublications%5Cfd_bs_fdlawsinus.pdf

Also, the cheap (free) inmate labor is possible because of the 13th Amendment. Slave Labor is still alive (and well) in this nation. According to the 13th Amendment:
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. 
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

If this had become a Prison Nation, it is because the &quot;sheeple&quot; have allowed it to become so. Quit voting in the incumbents, quit voting for the &quot;tough on crime&quot; laws and start voting smart on crime!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article. I would like to add two things. It is not true than felons are disenfranchised (lose their voting privledges for life). All states have different voting rules but in most of them (all but two) ex-felons regain their right to vote (in fact two states allow prisoners to vote while incarcerated). The sad thing is, most ex-felons don&#8217;t realize this so they never vote again. Maybe these draconian laws initiated by the War on Drugs, 3 Stikes rules and Mandatory Sentencing Laws could be reversed or repealed if more former prisoners got out and voted! For a list of states and their ex-felon voting rules go to:<br />
<a href="http://www.sentencingproject.org/Admin%5CDocuments%5Cpublications%5Cfd_bs_fdlawsinus.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sentencingproject.org/Admin%5CDocuments%5Cpublications%5Cfd_bs_fdlawsinus.pdf</a></p>
<p>Also, the cheap (free) inmate labor is possible because of the 13th Amendment. Slave Labor is still alive (and well) in this nation. According to the 13th Amendment:<br />
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.<br />
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.</p>
<p>If this had become a Prison Nation, it is because the &#8220;sheeple&#8221; have allowed it to become so. Quit voting in the incumbents, quit voting for the &#8220;tough on crime&#8221; laws and start voting smart on crime!</p>
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