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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in rereading avneri&#039;s piece, i noted that he said that, If the 2002  arab offer was made on june 4, &#039;67, israek wld have accepted.
he presents this guess as fact. or, is it just wishful thinking.
most or all? zionists always wanted all of palestine+. this is a fact and not a guess. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in rereading avneri&#8217;s piece, i noted that he said that, If the 2002  arab offer was made on june 4, &#8216;67, israek wld have accepted.<br />
he presents this guess as fact. or, is it just wishful thinking.<br />
most or all? zionists always wanted all of palestine+. this is a fact and not a guess. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that avneri is not even a minizionist.  i think that many ashkenazic volk who protest israeli crimes may be minizionist; ie, r for a nonexistent palestinian state.
from now on, i&#039;l read a bit slower and study harder what uri says.
ashkenazic volk is more antisemitic than any other folk. one of the reasons for it is the fact that ashkenazim r not semitic but khazaro-europeans.
most of them r blue-eyed; have angular asian faces. some look more german/polish than most poles or germans.
as a member of  a vancouver org, StopWar.ca, i began long ago to distrust some of the &#039;jews&#039;  among us.thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that avneri is not even a minizionist.  i think that many ashkenazic volk who protest israeli crimes may be minizionist; ie, r for a nonexistent palestinian state.<br />
from now on, i&#8217;l read a bit slower and study harder what uri says.<br />
ashkenazic volk is more antisemitic than any other folk. one of the reasons for it is the fact that ashkenazim r not semitic but khazaro-europeans.<br />
most of them r blue-eyed; have angular asian faces. some look more german/polish than most poles or germans.<br />
as a member of  a vancouver org, StopWar.ca, i began long ago to distrust some of the &#8216;jews&#8217;  among us.thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Anderson, Berkeley, CA,</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Anderson, Berkeley, CA,</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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HE&#039;S [URI AVNERY] NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT...

I once asked Chris Brown -- an African American, of the Christian Peacemakers Team organization who&#039;s volunteers, among other things, works in the West Bank, in cities like Hebron, to escort and protect little Palestinian children to school, so that the children aren&#039;t ATTACKED by Israeli Jews -- what he thought of Uri Avnery. 

Chris was once very seriously hospitalized (with a punctured lung, broken ribs and other bruises and wounds on his body), while escorting children, along with a female colleague, Kim Lamberty, due to both being attacked, literally stoned, kicked with steel-toed boots, beaten with bats and chains,  severely beaten on his head, and robbed, by Israeli Jewish &quot;settlers&quot;. Fortunately, the children escaped unharmed as Chris and Kim were being attacked.

Anyway, in response to my question about Avnery, Chris merely said, &quot;HE&#039;S [URI AVNERY] NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT...&quot;

It was after the end of a long evening of a presentation, formal Q&amp;A, and casual questions/discussions by others with Chris, and Chris was finally leaving for the evening, so I didn&#039;t press him for any follow-up. But, that&#039;s really all the confirmation I needed about my own intellectual and moral perception of Avnery. 

However Chris might have followed-up in his own articulation, my own perception about Uri Avnery is that he&#039;s one of those smarter *ZIONISTS* who realizes that Israel has it about as good as it&#039;s going to get with -- like with, before, then Apartheid South Africa -- even those Western governments that have supported the Israeli apartheid state for well over the past half-century, are going to FINALLY have to give in to the pubic opinion of a growing number of the *people* (not their govts) of the world that ISRAEL IS A MORALLY REPUGNANT STATE. 


Then, THOSE SMARTER &#039;LIBERAL ZIONIST&#039; RACISTS REALIZE THAT ISRAEL MIGHT LOSE THE WHOLE MATZO BALL AS A ZIONIST STATE and that a growing international boycotts, divestment and sanctions campaign -- which all those &#039;liberal Zionists&#039; from CHOMSKY on down oppose -- might force Israel to completely politically decolonize the way apartheid South Africa finally had to: ISRAELI APARTHEID, they realize, MIGHT THEN SUFFER THE SAME FATE AS SOUTH AFRICAN APARTHEID.

So, THE SMARTER *ZIONISTS*, LIKE AVNERY, ESPECIALLY CHOMSKY, HALPER, AND NOW SADLY THE MORALLY BEATEN-DOWN FINKELSTEIN, etc., SAY,  &#039;LET ISRAEL KEEP 85% OF HISTORIC PALESTINE, AND AT LEAST 90% OF THE RESOURCES, AS IDEOLOGICALLY AND POLITICALLY &quot;A JEWISH/ZIONIST STATE&quot; and leave the Palestinians THEIR LITTLE, TOTALLY SUBORDINATED (by forced treaty!), ALL-BUT COMPLETELY LAND-ENCIRCLED, GENERALLY HYPERSQUIGGLY -- going around all the Jewish settlements that Israel will NEVER give up -- at least *TRIFURCATED* SO-CALLED &#039;PALESTINIAN [GLORIFIED BANTUSTAN] STATE&#039; on all the worst leftovers land -- the Palestinians inside &quot;The Jewish/Zionist State&quot; itself can finally *leave* (as the completion of ethnic cleansing inside Israel itself) and we&#039;ll CALL IT *FAIR &amp; SQUARE*!!&#039;

This is what the smarter ANTI-OCCUPATION ZIONISTS -- THE SO-CALLED &#039;LIBERAL ZIONISTS&#039; -- tactically realize. As Blacks used to say to such &#039;GENEROUS&#039; *WHITE LIBERAL RACISTS* in the 1960&#039;s, *WHY, GEE!: THAT&#039;S *MIGHTY WHITE* OF THEM*. 

No moral white person in the United States, during American &quot;Jim Crow&quot; apartheid, ever advocated such a &quot;solution&quot;, &quot;a glorified Black bantustan&quot; state somewhere, say, in some Old Southern state; and no moral white person in South Africa advocated such a &quot;solution&quot; during South African apartheid: just relegating the black South African bantustans -- as even/ever a viable economic, let alone political, solution -- as &quot;the Black South African state&quot;.

But earlier this year, on a speaking appearance in Berkeley, Ca., JEFF HALPER -- &quot;THE GREAT WHITE LIBERAL HOPE&quot; AND DO-GOODER LIBERAL RACIST FROM *MINNESOTA*, FOR THE PALESTINIANS, HIS NOW LONG ERTSWHILE RESIDING ON LAND STOLEN FROM THE PALESTINIANS -- EVEN HAD THE MORAL NERVE TO *ASK/CHALLENGE* ME, _&quot;WHY DO YOU SAY THAT ZIONISM IS RACISM?&quot;_!!!

THOSE &#039;LIBERAL ZIONIST&#039;,  OTHERWISE *SMARTER*, RACISTS SPOUT ALL THE SAME FUNDAMENTAL PROPAGANDA -- ABOUT &quot;JEWS TIES TO THE LAND&quot; -- ABOUT &quot;JEWS RECLAIMING THEIR ANCIENT HOMELAND&quot; -- ABOUT &quot;ISRAEL&#039;S RIGHT TO EXISTS AS A JEWISH STATE&quot; -- ETC. -- AND ALL THAT OTHER WHITE RACIST COLONIAL NONSENSE -- THAT ANY OTHER ZIONIST RACISTS JEWISH TRIBALISTS PROCLAIM.

I&#039;M *SERIOUS* ABOUT *MY* MORALITY, ANTI-COLONIALISM, AND ANTI-RACISM:

I DON&#039;T CONGRATULATE WHITE LIBERAL RACISTS FOR WHATEVER THEY DO (ACTUALLY IN THEIR *OWN* COLLECTIVE INTERESTS) -- and while I have nothing but *the greatest respect* for my anti-Zionist friend Paul Larudee, of the ISM and Gaza boat project, I wouldn&#039;t have ever let any liberal Zionist racists on my boat (such LIBERAL WHITE RACISTS can do whatever &#039;WHITE DO-GOODING&#039; they want ACTING IN/FOR THEIR *OWN* RACIAL PURPOSES, they just can&#039;t do it with *me*, but others often make political accomodations in such high-profile campaigns): the best I/&#039;d say to such white &#039;liberal Zionist&#039; racists like Uri Avnery, &quot;WHY, GEE!:  THAT&#039;S **MIGHTY MIGHTY WHITE** OF YOU!!&quot;

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<p>HE&#8217;S [URI AVNERY] NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT&#8230;</p>
<p>I once asked Chris Brown &#8212; an African American, of the Christian Peacemakers Team organization who&#8217;s volunteers, among other things, works in the West Bank, in cities like Hebron, to escort and protect little Palestinian children to school, so that the children aren&#8217;t ATTACKED by Israeli Jews &#8212; what he thought of Uri Avnery. </p>
<p>Chris was once very seriously hospitalized (with a punctured lung, broken ribs and other bruises and wounds on his body), while escorting children, along with a female colleague, Kim Lamberty, due to both being attacked, literally stoned, kicked with steel-toed boots, beaten with bats and chains,  severely beaten on his head, and robbed, by Israeli Jewish &#8220;settlers&#8221;. Fortunately, the children escaped unharmed as Chris and Kim were being attacked.</p>
<p>Anyway, in response to my question about Avnery, Chris merely said, &#8220;HE&#8217;S [URI AVNERY] NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It was after the end of a long evening of a presentation, formal Q&amp;A, and casual questions/discussions by others with Chris, and Chris was finally leaving for the evening, so I didn&#8217;t press him for any follow-up. But, that&#8217;s really all the confirmation I needed about my own intellectual and moral perception of Avnery. </p>
<p>However Chris might have followed-up in his own articulation, my own perception about Uri Avnery is that he&#8217;s one of those smarter *ZIONISTS* who realizes that Israel has it about as good as it&#8217;s going to get with &#8212; like with, before, then Apartheid South Africa &#8212; even those Western governments that have supported the Israeli apartheid state for well over the past half-century, are going to FINALLY have to give in to the pubic opinion of a growing number of the *people* (not their govts) of the world that ISRAEL IS A MORALLY REPUGNANT STATE. </p>
<p>Then, THOSE SMARTER &#8216;LIBERAL ZIONIST&#8217; RACISTS REALIZE THAT ISRAEL MIGHT LOSE THE WHOLE MATZO BALL AS A ZIONIST STATE and that a growing international boycotts, divestment and sanctions campaign &#8212; which all those &#8216;liberal Zionists&#8217; from CHOMSKY on down oppose &#8212; might force Israel to completely politically decolonize the way apartheid South Africa finally had to: ISRAELI APARTHEID, they realize, MIGHT THEN SUFFER THE SAME FATE AS SOUTH AFRICAN APARTHEID.</p>
<p>So, THE SMARTER *ZIONISTS*, LIKE AVNERY, ESPECIALLY CHOMSKY, HALPER, AND NOW SADLY THE MORALLY BEATEN-DOWN FINKELSTEIN, etc., SAY,  &#8216;LET ISRAEL KEEP 85% OF HISTORIC PALESTINE, AND AT LEAST 90% OF THE RESOURCES, AS IDEOLOGICALLY AND POLITICALLY &#8220;A JEWISH/ZIONIST STATE&#8221; and leave the Palestinians THEIR LITTLE, TOTALLY SUBORDINATED (by forced treaty!), ALL-BUT COMPLETELY LAND-ENCIRCLED, GENERALLY HYPERSQUIGGLY &#8212; going around all the Jewish settlements that Israel will NEVER give up &#8212; at least *TRIFURCATED* SO-CALLED &#8216;PALESTINIAN [GLORIFIED BANTUSTAN] STATE&#8217; on all the worst leftovers land &#8212; the Palestinians inside &#8220;The Jewish/Zionist State&#8221; itself can finally *leave* (as the completion of ethnic cleansing inside Israel itself) and we&#8217;ll CALL IT *FAIR &amp; SQUARE*!!&#8217;</p>
<p>This is what the smarter ANTI-OCCUPATION ZIONISTS &#8212; THE SO-CALLED &#8216;LIBERAL ZIONISTS&#8217; &#8212; tactically realize. As Blacks used to say to such &#8216;GENEROUS&#8217; *WHITE LIBERAL RACISTS* in the 1960&#8217;s, *WHY, GEE!: THAT&#8217;S *MIGHTY WHITE* OF THEM*. </p>
<p>No moral white person in the United States, during American &#8220;Jim Crow&#8221; apartheid, ever advocated such a &#8220;solution&#8221;, &#8220;a glorified Black bantustan&#8221; state somewhere, say, in some Old Southern state; and no moral white person in South Africa advocated such a &#8220;solution&#8221; during South African apartheid: just relegating the black South African bantustans &#8212; as even/ever a viable economic, let alone political, solution &#8212; as &#8220;the Black South African state&#8221;.</p>
<p>But earlier this year, on a speaking appearance in Berkeley, Ca., JEFF HALPER &#8212; &#8220;THE GREAT WHITE LIBERAL HOPE&#8221; AND DO-GOODER LIBERAL RACIST FROM *MINNESOTA*, FOR THE PALESTINIANS, HIS NOW LONG ERTSWHILE RESIDING ON LAND STOLEN FROM THE PALESTINIANS &#8212; EVEN HAD THE MORAL NERVE TO *ASK/CHALLENGE* ME, _&#8221;WHY DO YOU SAY THAT ZIONISM IS RACISM?&#8221;_!!!</p>
<p>THOSE &#8216;LIBERAL ZIONIST&#8217;,  OTHERWISE *SMARTER*, RACISTS SPOUT ALL THE SAME FUNDAMENTAL PROPAGANDA &#8212; ABOUT &#8220;JEWS TIES TO THE LAND&#8221; &#8212; ABOUT &#8220;JEWS RECLAIMING THEIR ANCIENT HOMELAND&#8221; &#8212; ABOUT &#8220;ISRAEL&#8217;S RIGHT TO EXISTS AS A JEWISH STATE&#8221; &#8212; ETC. &#8212; AND ALL THAT OTHER WHITE RACIST COLONIAL NONSENSE &#8212; THAT ANY OTHER ZIONIST RACISTS JEWISH TRIBALISTS PROCLAIM.</p>
<p>I&#8217;M *SERIOUS* ABOUT *MY* MORALITY, ANTI-COLONIALISM, AND ANTI-RACISM:</p>
<p>I DON&#8217;T CONGRATULATE WHITE LIBERAL RACISTS FOR WHATEVER THEY DO (ACTUALLY IN THEIR *OWN* COLLECTIVE INTERESTS) &#8212; and while I have nothing but *the greatest respect* for my anti-Zionist friend Paul Larudee, of the ISM and Gaza boat project, I wouldn&#8217;t have ever let any liberal Zionist racists on my boat (such LIBERAL WHITE RACISTS can do whatever &#8216;WHITE DO-GOODING&#8217; they want ACTING IN/FOR THEIR *OWN* RACIAL PURPOSES, they just can&#8217;t do it with *me*, but others often make political accomodations in such high-profile campaigns): the best I/&#8217;d say to such white &#8216;liberal Zionist&#8217; racists like Uri Avnery, &#8220;WHY, GEE!:  THAT&#8217;S **MIGHTY MIGHTY WHITE** OF YOU!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/eyes-wide-shut/#comment-32491</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but is it to any degree probable that israel wld ever (unless arabs obtain wmd) agree to any piece or to any pals state.
for ashkenazim to agree w. pals, wld mean abandoment of ashkenazic dream to establish either of the two &#039;promised&#039; lands found in torah.
as we konw, palestine is extremely poor. it has little clean water; no minerals, game, forests.
such a sate cannot prosper especially once a boycott of all israelly products r applied.
europe, americas might buy stuff fro israel but not w.o some economic penalties by haters of israel.
that means israel will remain a military outpost for rich amers and euros.
until plutos see that that evil entity must go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but is it to any degree probable that israel wld ever (unless arabs obtain wmd) agree to any piece or to any pals state.<br />
for ashkenazim to agree w. pals, wld mean abandoment of ashkenazic dream to establish either of the two &#8216;promised&#8217; lands found in torah.<br />
as we konw, palestine is extremely poor. it has little clean water; no minerals, game, forests.<br />
such a sate cannot prosper especially once a boycott of all israelly products r applied.<br />
europe, americas might buy stuff fro israel but not w.o some economic penalties by haters of israel.<br />
that means israel will remain a military outpost for rich amers and euros.<br />
until plutos see that that evil entity must go!</p>
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