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		<title>By: Poilu</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/why-not-a-bailout-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-29201</link>
		<dc:creator>Poilu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gliscameria and Bob: I&#039;m completely blown away by the sheer audacity of this maneuver myself! The Senate&#039;s machinations -- including that highly questionable &quot;parliamentary&quot; ploy used by Reid to advance the legislation in defiance of standard, House-first protocol for approval of spending measures -- just two days after the House of Representatives had REJECTED the plan, seem an enormous slap in the face directed at the American people, considering the already massive public opposition displayed. 

So much for &quot;How a Bill Becomes Law&quot;, eh, Bob?? Seems the reality is this: Grease enough palms, and you can get any totally cock-eyed scheme to rip off the American people through this Congress.

I&#039;d say the Senate, along with other renegade elements of this government, needs a serious &quot;attitude adjustment&quot;, a la &quot;V for Vendetta&quot;:

&quot;People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.&quot; 
~V</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gliscameria and Bob: I&#8217;m completely blown away by the sheer audacity of this maneuver myself! The Senate&#8217;s machinations &#8212; including that highly questionable &#8220;parliamentary&#8221; ploy used by Reid to advance the legislation in defiance of standard, House-first protocol for approval of spending measures &#8212; just two days after the House of Representatives had REJECTED the plan, seem an enormous slap in the face directed at the American people, considering the already massive public opposition displayed. </p>
<p>So much for &#8220;How a Bill Becomes Law&#8221;, eh, Bob?? Seems the reality is this: Grease enough palms, and you can get any totally cock-eyed scheme to rip off the American people through this Congress.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the Senate, along with other renegade elements of this government, needs a serious &#8220;attitude adjustment&#8221;, a la &#8220;V for Vendetta&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.&#8221;<br />
~V</p>
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		<title>By: Poilu</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/why-not-a-bailout-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-29199</link>
		<dc:creator>Poilu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging from the shocking amount of utterly unwarranted &quot;pork barrel&quot; payola, as well as the conspicuous absence of desperately needed controls over the financial industry to prevent any recurrance of this self-induced debacle, it&#039;s clear to me that the intention of the Senate legislation was NEVER to implement any genuine  &quot;solution&quot; to this problem, but merely to &quot;buy off the opposition&quot; with totally irrelevant perks and graft! 

HOW does one even loosely &quot;rationalize&quot; spending a non-existent $700 BILLION PLUS on a transparently ineffective pseudo-remedy whose only apparent &quot;underpinnings&quot; consist of BRIBES -- further massive TAX CUTS and &quot;incentives&quot; that will principally benefit the already wealthy and the corporate moguls who induced all this mayhem??

(I don&#039;t recall whether it&#039;s listed in the following, but a separate article even disclosed perks for NASCAR included in this bogus &quot;bailout&quot; scam! NASCAR???) 

&quot;What&#039;s in the Senate Financial Rescue Plan&quot;
By CNBC staff and wire reports
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20923.htm

With a government this blatantly corrupt, we&#039;re rapidly reaching the point where it would be better to just &quot;burn it all down and start over&quot;. The unmistakable odor of Fascist cronyism in this dubious &quot;legislation&quot; isn&#039;t even thinly veiled!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging from the shocking amount of utterly unwarranted &#8220;pork barrel&#8221; payola, as well as the conspicuous absence of desperately needed controls over the financial industry to prevent any recurrance of this self-induced debacle, it&#8217;s clear to me that the intention of the Senate legislation was NEVER to implement any genuine  &#8220;solution&#8221; to this problem, but merely to &#8220;buy off the opposition&#8221; with totally irrelevant perks and graft! </p>
<p>HOW does one even loosely &#8220;rationalize&#8221; spending a non-existent $700 BILLION PLUS on a transparently ineffective pseudo-remedy whose only apparent &#8220;underpinnings&#8221; consist of BRIBES &#8212; further massive TAX CUTS and &#8220;incentives&#8221; that will principally benefit the already wealthy and the corporate moguls who induced all this mayhem??</p>
<p>(I don&#8217;t recall whether it&#8217;s listed in the following, but a separate article even disclosed perks for NASCAR included in this bogus &#8220;bailout&#8221; scam! NASCAR???) </p>
<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s in the Senate Financial Rescue Plan&#8221;<br />
By CNBC staff and wire reports<br />
<a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20923.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20923.htm</a></p>
<p>With a government this blatantly corrupt, we&#8217;re rapidly reaching the point where it would be better to just &#8220;burn it all down and start over&#8221;. The unmistakable odor of Fascist cronyism in this dubious &#8220;legislation&#8221; isn&#8217;t even thinly veiled!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/why-not-a-bailout-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-29159</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s &quot;democracy in action&quot; in the U S of A. Taught us in school about A Bill and how &quot;representatives&quot; are actually &quot;we the people in congress assembled&quot;.  Just tell your representative what you want.

Stop a stupid, illegal war, punish the people who got it rolling with lies like we elected you to do...sorry, off the table.

Well, in the case of the money, it&#039;s &quot;for the national good&quot;. The congress creratures have managed to sloganise their action, so they&#039;re home free. And the people who get the new &quot;toys&quot; and are expected to repair the problem are going to be the same people ran the thing in the ditch. They aren&#039;t really expected to, I guess, just that there isn&#039;t a lot left for them to help themselves to. How much of it won&#039;t find its way into the pockets of the fat cats who can even guess? What doesn&#039;t stick to their fingers will be used to speculate and drive up the prices of other things, probably your daily food. 

The town I live in was railroad, and the area is pretty much dead. Has been since &quot;we&quot; &#039;went to a service economy&#039;. Some guy was spouting about the necessity for the economy, people have to sacrifice, blah, blah... The street behind him reminded me of the streets I saw in cities of post war Germany when I was a kid. Difference was, things were happening, people moving, rebuilding going on. And this jerk was talking about progress in what ammounted to ruined Pompei.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s &#8220;democracy in action&#8221; in the U S of A. Taught us in school about A Bill and how &#8220;representatives&#8221; are actually &#8220;we the people in congress assembled&#8221;.  Just tell your representative what you want.</p>
<p>Stop a stupid, illegal war, punish the people who got it rolling with lies like we elected you to do&#8230;sorry, off the table.</p>
<p>Well, in the case of the money, it&#8217;s &#8220;for the national good&#8221;. The congress creratures have managed to sloganise their action, so they&#8217;re home free. And the people who get the new &#8220;toys&#8221; and are expected to repair the problem are going to be the same people ran the thing in the ditch. They aren&#8217;t really expected to, I guess, just that there isn&#8217;t a lot left for them to help themselves to. How much of it won&#8217;t find its way into the pockets of the fat cats who can even guess? What doesn&#8217;t stick to their fingers will be used to speculate and drive up the prices of other things, probably your daily food. </p>
<p>The town I live in was railroad, and the area is pretty much dead. Has been since &#8220;we&#8221; &#8216;went to a service economy&#8217;. Some guy was spouting about the necessity for the economy, people have to sacrifice, blah, blah&#8230; The street behind him reminded me of the streets I saw in cities of post war Germany when I was a kid. Difference was, things were happening, people moving, rebuilding going on. And this jerk was talking about progress in what ammounted to ruined Pompei.</p>
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		<title>By: gliscameria</title>
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		<dc:creator>gliscameria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poilu:  I can&#039;t believe it either.  I watched CSPAN all morning (nothing else to do in a hotel) and EVERYONE that called in said they did not support it.   EVERYONE.  Most of them did not support ANY money going to wall street.

I don&#039;t know how much longer the discontent can be contained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poilu:  I can&#8217;t believe it either.  I watched CSPAN all morning (nothing else to do in a hotel) and EVERYONE that called in said they did not support it.   EVERYONE.  Most of them did not support ANY money going to wall street.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how much longer the discontent can be contained.</p>
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		<title>By: Poilu</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/why-not-a-bailout-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-29150</link>
		<dc:creator>Poilu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEADS UP!!! Here comes Stage II of the National Rip-off Scheme:

&quot;US Senate passes Wall Street bailout bill&quot;
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/oct2008/sena-o02_prn.shtml

&#039; The Democratic-led US Senate approved a slightly modified version of the Wall Street bailout Wednesday, reviving the $700 billion windfall for the wealthy only two days after it was defeated in the House of Representatives. The 74-25 vote saw both the Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and the Republican presidential candidate John McCain voting to approve the bailout.

&#039; A host of leading liberal Democrats joined in approving the bill, the largest single transfer of wealth to the financial elite in US history, including Democratic vice presidential candidate Joseph Biden, Hillary Clinton, the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, Majority Leader Harry Reid, Majority Whip Richard Durbin, Charles Schumer of New York, and Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer of California. Only a handful of Democrats opposed the bill, joined by about 20 conservative Republicans. ...&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEADS UP!!! Here comes Stage II of the National Rip-off Scheme:</p>
<p>&#8220;US Senate passes Wall Street bailout bill&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/oct2008/sena-o02_prn.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/oct2008/sena-o02_prn.shtml</a></p>
<p>&#8216; The Democratic-led US Senate approved a slightly modified version of the Wall Street bailout Wednesday, reviving the $700 billion windfall for the wealthy only two days after it was defeated in the House of Representatives. The 74-25 vote saw both the Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and the Republican presidential candidate John McCain voting to approve the bailout.</p>
<p>&#8216; A host of leading liberal Democrats joined in approving the bill, the largest single transfer of wealth to the financial elite in US history, including Democratic vice presidential candidate Joseph Biden, Hillary Clinton, the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, Majority Leader Harry Reid, Majority Whip Richard Durbin, Charles Schumer of New York, and Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer of California. Only a handful of Democrats opposed the bill, joined by about 20 conservative Republicans. &#8230;&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Fred.</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/why-not-a-bailout-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-29141</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For better underestanding of the present situation&#039;s root cause, I found this article very helpful:
http://left.ru/inter/2003/november/salari.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For better underestanding of the present situation&#8217;s root cause, I found this article very helpful:<br />
<a href="http://left.ru/inter/2003/november/salari.html" rel="nofollow">http://left.ru/inter/2003/november/salari.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: HR</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/why-not-a-bailout-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-29140</link>
		<dc:creator>HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They could also pass legislation mandating seizure of ALL assets of all the criminal scum behind the swindle.  I suspect the total would far exceed the $700 billion being debated.  Then they could increase the incremental tax on income, from all sources, in excess of $200,000 annually to 99 percent.

By the way, how many working people actually have 401ks?  I didn&#039;t know any when I was working ... except those in management who were making far more than me.

Also, regarding the increase of FDIC coverage to $250,000, what a joke.  The old level of $100,000 has always been far more than most working-class folks will ever have in the bank.  Hell, the old $10,000 limit was more than enough for most of us.

This crap is all smoke and mirrors, total lies.  It is a bailout for the wealthy and, secondarily, their yuppie, pretender-to-wealth manservants and handmaidens.  I literally scream at TV &quot;expert&quot; commentators who blather on and on about how the economy will fail if this giveaway bill fails.  Through their  babble they put on a phony, &quot;We&#039;re all in this together,&quot; act.  The economy may indeed fail, at least for us working-class people, but, if it is gonna happen, this bailout will do nothing but delay for very a short time the inevitable implosion, if that.  Mostly it is a gift to wealthy criminals, and encouragement of more of the same.

I&#039;m watching CSPAN2 right now and practically vomiting onto my keyboard as pompous bought-and-owned &quot;senators&quot; pontificate about why this giveaway is the &quot;right&quot; thing to do.  If I had half a brain, I&#039;d turn it off.  Guess I&#039;m just masochistic by nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could also pass legislation mandating seizure of ALL assets of all the criminal scum behind the swindle.  I suspect the total would far exceed the $700 billion being debated.  Then they could increase the incremental tax on income, from all sources, in excess of $200,000 annually to 99 percent.</p>
<p>By the way, how many working people actually have 401ks?  I didn&#8217;t know any when I was working &#8230; except those in management who were making far more than me.</p>
<p>Also, regarding the increase of FDIC coverage to $250,000, what a joke.  The old level of $100,000 has always been far more than most working-class folks will ever have in the bank.  Hell, the old $10,000 limit was more than enough for most of us.</p>
<p>This crap is all smoke and mirrors, total lies.  It is a bailout for the wealthy and, secondarily, their yuppie, pretender-to-wealth manservants and handmaidens.  I literally scream at TV &#8220;expert&#8221; commentators who blather on and on about how the economy will fail if this giveaway bill fails.  Through their  babble they put on a phony, &#8220;We&#8217;re all in this together,&#8221; act.  The economy may indeed fail, at least for us working-class people, but, if it is gonna happen, this bailout will do nothing but delay for very a short time the inevitable implosion, if that.  Mostly it is a gift to wealthy criminals, and encouragement of more of the same.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m watching CSPAN2 right now and practically vomiting onto my keyboard as pompous bought-and-owned &#8220;senators&#8221; pontificate about why this giveaway is the &#8220;right&#8221; thing to do.  If I had half a brain, I&#8217;d turn it off.  Guess I&#8217;m just masochistic by nature.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Washington Mutual was bought out by JP Morgan Chase not Bank of America.  

I think it&#039;s really interesting that the media, bush, and what not are using fear tactics about ordinary people not being able to get loans for cars/credit cards.  The constant consumption model is finally failing.  I would like to buy a new car right now, but I have my car paid off.  I cannot really justify buying a new car when my current car runs fine and is paid off.  Maybe that is the fear the elite have right now is that the American people will stop frivolously spending with out an infusion of credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Washington Mutual was bought out by JP Morgan Chase not Bank of America.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s really interesting that the media, bush, and what not are using fear tactics about ordinary people not being able to get loans for cars/credit cards.  The constant consumption model is finally failing.  I would like to buy a new car right now, but I have my car paid off.  I cannot really justify buying a new car when my current car runs fine and is paid off.  Maybe that is the fear the elite have right now is that the American people will stop frivolously spending with out an infusion of credit.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar  bob  balkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozhidar  bob  balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>most of the places, time it&#039;s gangsters in gangs w.o. pangs that rule.
mob rules also US.
and the mob gets the gob and workers get the job  to toil a bit harder.
thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>most of the places, time it&#8217;s gangsters in gangs w.o. pangs that rule.<br />
mob rules also US.<br />
and the mob gets the gob and workers get the job  to toil a bit harder.<br />
thnx</p>
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