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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/were-on-the-edge-of-the-abyss/#comment-29473</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard enough of the debates one hour was to much.  I sure hope these candidates what they said in the last hour is to only get votes.  The truth about anything we face I heard not one word.  Fiction and not very good fiction.  Pure unadulterated nonsense, foolishness in pure form.  I sure hope they were only saying what they did to get votes and have a real plan after they take office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard enough of the debates one hour was to much.  I sure hope these candidates what they said in the last hour is to only get votes.  The truth about anything we face I heard not one word.  Fiction and not very good fiction.  Pure unadulterated nonsense, foolishness in pure form.  I sure hope they were only saying what they did to get votes and have a real plan after they take office.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/were-on-the-edge-of-the-abyss/#comment-29464</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction.&quot;   

&quot;Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts.&quot; (Sign hanging in Einstein&#039;s office at Princeton

  I have to get up very early in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius &#8212; and a lot of courage &#8212; to move in the opposite direction.&#8221;   </p>
<p>&#8220;Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts.&#8221; (Sign hanging in Einstein&#8217;s office at Princeton</p>
<p>  I have to get up very early in the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/were-on-the-edge-of-the-abyss/#comment-29461</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Donald. You are not crazy.

Let me suggest how the shit has hit the fan.

Once upon a time, the world was a much simpler place where people met face to face and made decisions based on fairly obvious concepts and fairly reliable data.

This is no longer so, not because of cleverness and planned deception but because there are too few people in decision making positions who understand the complexity of modern life. Policies and thought schemas that are now enacted are based on information that is only partially understood and that are affected by more variables than the decision makers can ever hope to understand. Add to this the tendency to obscure things with made up language and the circle is complete. It can be assumed that any complex decision has a brief window of acceptance before the shit hits the fan and that complex decision is known to not work.

That brief window of acceptance becomes the crooked opportunist&#039;s strike-it-rich target. Sub prime mortgages and the resultant appearance of now worthless mortgage backed securities were born in that window. (The securities were always worthless of course but this was only known or suspected by a few people. Some of these people warned us and some became billionaires.)

What you are seeing now is the closing of the window of acceptance. The window has run up against the complexity of the decision making process and its attendant variables, nearly all unaccounted for. The decision(s) are now known by most people to have been flawed. It&#039;s 20 - 20 hindsight every time.

In short, people living in modern complex societies are just not as smart as they think they are and that means nearly everyone. Perhaps we could rename Homo sapiens sapiens  as Homo con lingua and be satisfied with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Donald. You are not crazy.</p>
<p>Let me suggest how the shit has hit the fan.</p>
<p>Once upon a time, the world was a much simpler place where people met face to face and made decisions based on fairly obvious concepts and fairly reliable data.</p>
<p>This is no longer so, not because of cleverness and planned deception but because there are too few people in decision making positions who understand the complexity of modern life. Policies and thought schemas that are now enacted are based on information that is only partially understood and that are affected by more variables than the decision makers can ever hope to understand. Add to this the tendency to obscure things with made up language and the circle is complete. It can be assumed that any complex decision has a brief window of acceptance before the shit hits the fan and that complex decision is known to not work.</p>
<p>That brief window of acceptance becomes the crooked opportunist&#8217;s strike-it-rich target. Sub prime mortgages and the resultant appearance of now worthless mortgage backed securities were born in that window. (The securities were always worthless of course but this was only known or suspected by a few people. Some of these people warned us and some became billionaires.)</p>
<p>What you are seeing now is the closing of the window of acceptance. The window has run up against the complexity of the decision making process and its attendant variables, nearly all unaccounted for. The decision(s) are now known by most people to have been flawed. It&#8217;s 20 &#8211; 20 hindsight every time.</p>
<p>In short, people living in modern complex societies are just not as smart as they think they are and that means nearly everyone. Perhaps we could rename Homo sapiens sapiens  as Homo con lingua and be satisfied with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/were-on-the-edge-of-the-abyss/#comment-29460</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok I will watch the debates tonight and tomorrow I will do my best to write on any scary bullshit I hear.  Anybody like to give it a try?  Tomorrow tomorrow it&#039;s only a day away.   Read DV Obama think  maverick .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I will watch the debates tonight and tomorrow I will do my best to write on any scary bullshit I hear.  Anybody like to give it a try?  Tomorrow tomorrow it&#8217;s only a day away.   Read DV Obama think  maverick .</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/were-on-the-edge-of-the-abyss/#comment-29452</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think some people would have better things to do.  North Com and now I hear there are satellites up there like in the movie The Enemy Of The State.  Flatbed trucks going through small towns in the dead of the night with tanks and rather large guns.  What the hell is going on.  The last time I checked there is 3.5 million homeless people in the republic and getting larger.  How many people on antidepressants and now I see why.  How many out of work and going hungry.  I don&#039;t think they need spy satellites or North Com a few boy scouts should do it.  What ever happened to a nice coffee shop good friends and some great talk.  Oh that&#039;s right complex derivatives, collateralized debt obligations (CDOs), low-rated MBS, or even credit default swaps (CDS) and wars because of WMD&#039;s and if I remember right I noticed before the US went into Iraq I saw a picture of Iraqi troops with no socks and loafers not boots, loafers.  WMD&#039;s hell they didn&#039;t even have any socks.  Middle class people fighting over bread crumbs fighting over bread crumbs yes middle class I think maybe 53 total left.  I just picked a number.  Is it hard to get into Canada?  Now you might think I have been reading to much DV, no network news 10 times worst scary bullshit always is.  You think I am crazy well watch the Presidential debates tonight and tell me if what you see is not scary bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think some people would have better things to do.  North Com and now I hear there are satellites up there like in the movie The Enemy Of The State.  Flatbed trucks going through small towns in the dead of the night with tanks and rather large guns.  What the hell is going on.  The last time I checked there is 3.5 million homeless people in the republic and getting larger.  How many people on antidepressants and now I see why.  How many out of work and going hungry.  I don&#8217;t think they need spy satellites or North Com a few boy scouts should do it.  What ever happened to a nice coffee shop good friends and some great talk.  Oh that&#8217;s right complex derivatives, collateralized debt obligations (CDOs), low-rated MBS, or even credit default swaps (CDS) and wars because of WMD&#8217;s and if I remember right I noticed before the US went into Iraq I saw a picture of Iraqi troops with no socks and loafers not boots, loafers.  WMD&#8217;s hell they didn&#8217;t even have any socks.  Middle class people fighting over bread crumbs fighting over bread crumbs yes middle class I think maybe 53 total left.  I just picked a number.  Is it hard to get into Canada?  Now you might think I have been reading to much DV, no network news 10 times worst scary bullshit always is.  You think I am crazy well watch the Presidential debates tonight and tell me if what you see is not scary bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: i on the ball patriot</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/were-on-the-edge-of-the-abyss/#comment-29451</link>
		<dc:creator>i on the ball patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Whitney,

I’m surprised you don’t get it  -- you have been sucked into the financial details decoy and lost sight of the big political picture.

This is a neocon financial coup. 

It is an intentional and well planned, drawn out over time, financial 9/11/ domestic shock and awe.

What part of illusionary, fake, make believe, non responsive government, is so hard for you to understand here? Why do you legitimize these crooks with your attention? How many times do you have to bang your head against the corrupt electoral wall?

This is an intentional tanking of the world economy to eliminate the expensive and threatening middle class and replace it with a less expensive and less threatening law enforcement class. 

It is all meant to effect their stated new world order -- perpetual conflict and a ruler and ruled world.

The market is toast!

National strikes and an election boycott (A MASSIVE ‘VOTE’ OF NO CONFIDENCE IN GOVERNMENT) are the only things that might stop it! 

The window is now almost completely closed.

Martial law is right around the corner.

Deception is the strongest political force on the planet!

The good guys are the bad guys!

Election boycott 08!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Whitney,</p>
<p>I’m surprised you don’t get it  &#8212; you have been sucked into the financial details decoy and lost sight of the big political picture.</p>
<p>This is a neocon financial coup. </p>
<p>It is an intentional and well planned, drawn out over time, financial 9/11/ domestic shock and awe.</p>
<p>What part of illusionary, fake, make believe, non responsive government, is so hard for you to understand here? Why do you legitimize these crooks with your attention? How many times do you have to bang your head against the corrupt electoral wall?</p>
<p>This is an intentional tanking of the world economy to eliminate the expensive and threatening middle class and replace it with a less expensive and less threatening law enforcement class. </p>
<p>It is all meant to effect their stated new world order &#8212; perpetual conflict and a ruler and ruled world.</p>
<p>The market is toast!</p>
<p>National strikes and an election boycott (A MASSIVE ‘VOTE’ OF NO CONFIDENCE IN GOVERNMENT) are the only things that might stop it! </p>
<p>The window is now almost completely closed.</p>
<p>Martial law is right around the corner.</p>
<p>Deception is the strongest political force on the planet!</p>
<p>The good guys are the bad guys!</p>
<p>Election boycott 08!</p>
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