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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/war-or-peace-the-world-after-the-2008-us-presidential-election/#comment-30712</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat, you confirmed my point. Thanks.

Max</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat, you confirmed my point. Thanks.</p>
<p>Max</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/war-or-peace-the-world-after-the-2008-us-presidential-election/#comment-30702</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max Shields our astute historian writes...

&lt;i&gt;Though there is plenty of blood and much undoing of social safety nets during the Reagan administration: Paul Craig Roberts who was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, and regular writer Counterpunch, insists that no such deregulation of the financial systems happened during the Reagan years. That happened primarily during the Clinton years.&lt;/i&gt;

Paul Craig Roberts, the Former Assistant Security of the Treasury, and who writes for CounterPunch has come a long way since the 1980&#039;s.  During the 80&#039;s and after his tenure wrote for Business Week and rotated economic commentary with Robert Kuttner.  Roberts then was a flaming trickle-down, free market, de-regulator.

Roberts is &lt;b&gt;wrong&lt;/b&gt; that there was no deregulation of the financial sector during the Reagan years.  The Saving &amp; Loans were deregulated during the Reagan years (advanced and supported by Phil Gramm) that led to its crashing and &quot;Too Big To Fail&quot; during George HW Bush tenure in 1989.  In addition the top tier saw their taxes reduced by 42% during the Reagan years which is tantamount to deregulation of the rich while tax burdens were shifted onto regressive payroll and sales taxes.

Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Steagal but that legislation was primarily sponsored by Republican Phil Gramm and the Republican Congress.

The Republican ideology aided by the reactionaryism of white working class forced the Democrats to reposition themselves under Clinton to win over this retrograde &quot;voting&quot; bloc.

The Democrats should not be giving a free pass as neoliberalism really got underway during the Carter administration by via cuts to the capital gains taxes in 1978 and deregulation of the airlines.  However it was Reagan Administration (Reaganomics) that opened the floodgates of massive redistribution from the citizenry to the rich and set deregulating capitalism as ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max Shields our astute historian writes&#8230;</p>
<p><i>Though there is plenty of blood and much undoing of social safety nets during the Reagan administration: Paul Craig Roberts who was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, and regular writer Counterpunch, insists that no such deregulation of the financial systems happened during the Reagan years. That happened primarily during the Clinton years.</i></p>
<p>Paul Craig Roberts, the Former Assistant Security of the Treasury, and who writes for CounterPunch has come a long way since the 1980&#8217;s.  During the 80&#8217;s and after his tenure wrote for Business Week and rotated economic commentary with Robert Kuttner.  Roberts then was a flaming trickle-down, free market, de-regulator.</p>
<p>Roberts is <b>wrong</b> that there was no deregulation of the financial sector during the Reagan years.  The Saving &amp; Loans were deregulated during the Reagan years (advanced and supported by Phil Gramm) that led to its crashing and &#8220;Too Big To Fail&#8221; during George HW Bush tenure in 1989.  In addition the top tier saw their taxes reduced by 42% during the Reagan years which is tantamount to deregulation of the rich while tax burdens were shifted onto regressive payroll and sales taxes.</p>
<p>Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Steagal but that legislation was primarily sponsored by Republican Phil Gramm and the Republican Congress.</p>
<p>The Republican ideology aided by the reactionaryism of white working class forced the Democrats to reposition themselves under Clinton to win over this retrograde &#8220;voting&#8221; bloc.</p>
<p>The Democrats should not be giving a free pass as neoliberalism really got underway during the Carter administration by via cuts to the capital gains taxes in 1978 and deregulation of the airlines.  However it was Reagan Administration (Reaganomics) that opened the floodgates of massive redistribution from the citizenry to the rich and set deregulating capitalism as ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: Creedance</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/war-or-peace-the-world-after-the-2008-us-presidential-election/#comment-30690</link>
		<dc:creator>Creedance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many of these neo-cons are Jews as the article states. It&#039;s so easy to say such a blanket statement but it&#039;s never backed up.  How many international bankers are not Jewish.  How politicians in DC are not Jews. How many actors are not Jews. Excuse me, but Jewish people do have a right to pursue a career that pays well.  Are William Ayers and Ward Churchill the  only ones allowed to be paid over $100,000.00 a year or? 

Will the Russians be nicer  if Obama is president instead of McCain. How about neither of them. In fact, in the name of world peace let&#039;s just do nothing when Islamic extremist attack us since the 90&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many of these neo-cons are Jews as the article states. It&#8217;s so easy to say such a blanket statement but it&#8217;s never backed up.  How many international bankers are not Jewish.  How politicians in DC are not Jews. How many actors are not Jews. Excuse me, but Jewish people do have a right to pursue a career that pays well.  Are William Ayers and Ward Churchill the  only ones allowed to be paid over $100,000.00 a year or? </p>
<p>Will the Russians be nicer  if Obama is president instead of McCain. How about neither of them. In fact, in the name of world peace let&#8217;s just do nothing when Islamic extremist attack us since the 90&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidG.</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/war-or-peace-the-world-after-the-2008-us-presidential-election/#comment-30650</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidG.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can a leopard change its spots? My latest post deals with post-election America.

Sadly, I don&#039;t see any real possibility of change.  After all, all the forces which have reduced America to being the bankrupt, laughing stock of the world are still there.

Click on my name to read all about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can a leopard change its spots? My latest post deals with post-election America.</p>
<p>Sadly, I don&#8217;t see any real possibility of change.  After all, all the forces which have reduced America to being the bankrupt, laughing stock of the world are still there.</p>
<p>Click on my name to read all about it!</p>
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		<title>By: Ramsefall</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/war-or-peace-the-world-after-the-2008-us-presidential-election/#comment-30635</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramsefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly a meaty report, an enjoyable and educational read, indeed. 

A highlight commentary lies on Sarkozy who ‘said that fixed, but flexible, exchange rates “should definitely be on the table.”7’ Am I going nutty, or is there an obvious conflict in that statement? 

Regardless, the proposed summit in DC seems to at least propose to make the system more transparent and accountable. But aside from that twinkle of hope, it still leads to a centralized one-world banking system – new global Emperor. These tactics fail to account for the powerful factor of greed that is inherent with any monetary system, and too many people will continue to be left out of the money-acquisition loop. It’s all about compromise at this point in the game.

The mention of a financial coup at the end of two consecutive political coups begs applause. There would be absolutely zero irony in that scenario – the worst President/Administration in the history of the greatest nation ever stolen, along with his two elections, runs off with his buddies and all the loot. Then Europe comes to the rescue and saves the world, just like in Hollywood, classic! When are those International Court of Justice hearings again?

Until the “money-changers” are removed from the picture, it’s all a farce.

While we’re all intent on watching the drama unfold, keep in mind again what Hendrix stated, “When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.” Overcome it one person at a time, starting with each of us – don’t wait for an elected official.

Arigato...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly a meaty report, an enjoyable and educational read, indeed. </p>
<p>A highlight commentary lies on Sarkozy who ‘said that fixed, but flexible, exchange rates “should definitely be on the table.”7’ Am I going nutty, or is there an obvious conflict in that statement? </p>
<p>Regardless, the proposed summit in DC seems to at least propose to make the system more transparent and accountable. But aside from that twinkle of hope, it still leads to a centralized one-world banking system – new global Emperor. These tactics fail to account for the powerful factor of greed that is inherent with any monetary system, and too many people will continue to be left out of the money-acquisition loop. It’s all about compromise at this point in the game.</p>
<p>The mention of a financial coup at the end of two consecutive political coups begs applause. There would be absolutely zero irony in that scenario – the worst President/Administration in the history of the greatest nation ever stolen, along with his two elections, runs off with his buddies and all the loot. Then Europe comes to the rescue and saves the world, just like in Hollywood, classic! When are those International Court of Justice hearings again?</p>
<p>Until the “money-changers” are removed from the picture, it’s all a farce.</p>
<p>While we’re all intent on watching the drama unfold, keep in mind again what Hendrix stated, “When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.” Overcome it one person at a time, starting with each of us – don’t wait for an elected official.</p>
<p>Arigato&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar  bob  balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/war-or-peace-the-world-after-the-2008-us-presidential-election/#comment-30608</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar  bob  balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s not forget that US became larger and stronger after each of its numerous wars.
the future wars may not be that expensive; eg, one just rains dwn missiles, bombs, etc.
blockades r also cheap.
let us also notice that the plutocrats r not whining as we do. r they worried?  and if not, why not?  let us look into this fact.
add to that the fact that 90-95% of voters will vote for more warfare and thus more expenditures.
yes of the 90% of voters 90% may be  disinformed.
that may leave ab 10% of the pop who know what is going on and appear  not to worry a bit or actually look gleefully towards conquering syria, &#039;stans, siberia, poles.
we need proof that US is  failing. time will tell. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s not forget that US became larger and stronger after each of its numerous wars.<br />
the future wars may not be that expensive; eg, one just rains dwn missiles, bombs, etc.<br />
blockades r also cheap.<br />
let us also notice that the plutocrats r not whining as we do. r they worried?  and if not, why not?  let us look into this fact.<br />
add to that the fact that 90-95% of voters will vote for more warfare and thus more expenditures.<br />
yes of the 90% of voters 90% may be  disinformed.<br />
that may leave ab 10% of the pop who know what is going on and appear  not to worry a bit or actually look gleefully towards conquering syria, &#8217;stans, siberia, poles.<br />
we need proof that US is  failing. time will tell. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/war-or-peace-the-world-after-the-2008-us-presidential-election/#comment-30604</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After such a long winded, intellectual  &quot;tour de force&quot; the author of this article ends it with a hopeful wimp:
 
&quot;Will the next president of the United States facilitate such change or stand in its way?&quot;

For crying out aloud! Is it necessary to end an article on a note of HOPE when you know damn well that neither McCain or Obama will NEVER &quot;facilitate such change&quot;?  It&#039;s like saying, you know, the guy is a serial killer, but we got to give him the benefit of the doubt, though a genetic psychopath, we still must probe his inner soul and make his basic humaneness emerge out into the open...and, hopefully,  respond compassionately... 
You know much better than I do, otherwise you wouldn&#039;t have gone into  all this &#039;palaver&#039; , that the system is corrupt to the core and EVIL!
Ron PAUL has been saying this, OUT LOUD and CLEAR, for months if not years, and now just over a week away from the election, how much support has he garnered? Virtually Zilch!  
Now you trying to cheer me up, and everybody else, that out of two evils, a lesser evil will emerge that with a magic wand will bring, Presto!, Nirvana  just around the corner??!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After such a long winded, intellectual  &#8220;tour de force&#8221; the author of this article ends it with a hopeful wimp:</p>
<p>&#8220;Will the next president of the United States facilitate such change or stand in its way?&#8221;</p>
<p>For crying out aloud! Is it necessary to end an article on a note of HOPE when you know damn well that neither McCain or Obama will NEVER &#8220;facilitate such change&#8221;?  It&#8217;s like saying, you know, the guy is a serial killer, but we got to give him the benefit of the doubt, though a genetic psychopath, we still must probe his inner soul and make his basic humaneness emerge out into the open&#8230;and, hopefully,  respond compassionately&#8230;<br />
You know much better than I do, otherwise you wouldn&#8217;t have gone into  all this &#8216;palaver&#8217; , that the system is corrupt to the core and EVIL!<br />
Ron PAUL has been saying this, OUT LOUD and CLEAR, for months if not years, and now just over a week away from the election, how much support has he garnered? Virtually Zilch!<br />
Now you trying to cheer me up, and everybody else, that out of two evils, a lesser evil will emerge that with a magic wand will bring, Presto!, Nirvana  just around the corner??!!</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/war-or-peace-the-world-after-the-2008-us-presidential-election/#comment-30598</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard: &quot;What was most clear about events was that the deregulation of the financial system that began in the 1980s now could be seen to have wrecked the U.S. economy.&quot;

Though there is plenty of blood and much undoing of social safty nets during the Reagan administration: Paul Craig Roberts who was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, and regular writer Counterpunch, insists that no such deregulation of the financial systems happened during the Reagan years. That happened primarily during the Clinton years.

I don&#039;t think Roberts argues that deregulation (we all know about the dereg. of telecom, and other large, and sometimes monopolistic business entities) did not happen during Reagan, but that it was not the financial institutions, i.e., which keeps it out of the Wall Street mayhem of today. (To be clear, other than the blip of FDR, our economic and imperialistic woes are bipartisan.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard: &#8220;What was most clear about events was that the deregulation of the financial system that began in the 1980s now could be seen to have wrecked the U.S. economy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Though there is plenty of blood and much undoing of social safty nets during the Reagan administration: Paul Craig Roberts who was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, and regular writer Counterpunch, insists that no such deregulation of the financial systems happened during the Reagan years. That happened primarily during the Clinton years.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Roberts argues that deregulation (we all know about the dereg. of telecom, and other large, and sometimes monopolistic business entities) did not happen during Reagan, but that it was not the financial institutions, i.e., which keeps it out of the Wall Street mayhem of today. (To be clear, other than the blip of FDR, our economic and imperialistic woes are bipartisan.)</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/war-or-peace-the-world-after-the-2008-us-presidential-election/#comment-30593</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WARS ARE NOT CHEAP !
Yes, for the large majority of  us, Humankind, it&#039;s NOT !!!
But for the Rothschilds cabal is a godsend.
For them &quot;THERE IS NO BUSINESS LIKE  W-A-R  BUSINESS !
This simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WARS ARE NOT CHEAP !<br />
Yes, for the large majority of  us, Humankind, it&#8217;s NOT !!!<br />
But for the Rothschilds cabal is a godsend.<br />
For them &#8220;THERE IS NO BUSINESS LIKE  W-A-R  BUSINESS !<br />
This simple.</p>
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