Comments on: Time for America to Join the World http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29980 Lloyd Rowsey Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:20:45 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29980 And if you read my first comment, it is directed to the article's author. Not to you, bbb. It's past time the US re-joined the world. And if you read my first comment, it is directed to the article’s author. Not to you, bbb.

It’s past time the US re-joined the world.

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29978 Lloyd Rowsey Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:54:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29978 bbb, I mean, it's time for the US to RE-join the world. It was a part of at least the European world since around 1800. Which W. has decided... jesus man, do you need ALL the words? bbb, I mean, it’s time for the US to RE-join the world. It was a part of at least the European world since around 1800. Which W. has decided…

jesus man, do you need ALL the words?

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29977 Donald Hawkins Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:52:02 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29977 I reread that and you are right. I reread that and you are right.

]]> By: bozhidar bob balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29976 bozhidar bob balkas Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:41:21 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29976 donald, remeber i said they think of us as lazy,etc. i did not say that anyone is lazy, uneducated, etc. thnx donald,
remeber i said they think of us as lazy,etc.
i did not say that anyone is lazy, uneducated, etc. thnx

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29975 Donald Hawkins Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:06:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29975 So these plutocrats don't like sharing the wealth with lazy, uneducated, unmotivated lower classes. Well without us many of them would be sleeping under a bridge. So these plutocrats don’t like sharing the wealth with lazy, uneducated, unmotivated lower classes. Well without us many of them would be sleeping under a bridge.

]]> By: bozhidar bob balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29971 bozhidar bob balkas Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:04:41 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29971 lloyd, wish u were clearer. i don't mean to bring u up, but i just don't understand any of ur statements. lloyd,
wish u were clearer. i don’t mean to bring u up, but i just don’t understand any of ur statements.

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29967 Lloyd Rowsey Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:48:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29967 Yeah, bbb, it's all according to which time-sequence you work with. What's your opinion on where the dinosaurs fit? Has humanity's inability to deal with geological time - during the 19th century - had a greaer impact than its inability to deal with spatial time during the 20th century - or it's inability to deal with man's inhumanity to man during the 20th and 21st centuries? We gotta deal with the big shit, right? Yeah, bbb, it’s all according to which time-sequence you work with. What’s your opinion on where the dinosaurs fit?

Has humanity’s inability to deal with geological time – during the 19th century – had a greaer impact than its inability to deal with spatial time during the 20th century – or it’s inability to deal with man’s inhumanity to man during the 20th and 21st centuries?

We gotta deal with the big shit, right?

]]> By: bozhidar bob balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29965 bozhidar bob balkas Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:14:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29965 well, one cld say that it is a myth that US (or even world) plutocrats have ever left the planet; ie, stopped coveting it or stopped the destruction of socialism, unions, etc. now they r (perhaps mostly because of global warming and siberia now looking mighty good and the fact that 'our' planet is getting daily poorer) uniting like never before. but this class of life had thru ages enslaved/enserfed people. this is no great detection; it was obvious then as it is obvious now. the mighty rich r scared like never before. 'our' planetary goodies r vanishing. and plutocrats hate sharing 'their' wealth with- what they think- lazy, uneducated, unmotivated lower classes. thnx well, one cld say that it is a myth that US (or even world) plutocrats have ever left the planet; ie, stopped coveting it or stopped the destruction of socialism, unions, etc.
now they r (perhaps mostly because of global warming and siberia now looking mighty good and the fact that ‘our’ planet is getting daily poorer) uniting like never before.
but this class of life had thru ages enslaved/enserfed people. this is no great detection; it was obvious then as it is obvious now.
the mighty rich r scared like never before.
‘our’ planetary goodies r vanishing. and plutocrats hate sharing ‘their’ wealth with- what they think- lazy, uneducated, unmotivated lower classes. thnx

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29956 Lloyd Rowsey Sun, 19 Oct 2008 05:29:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29956 Re-join the world, actually. There was a long, long time during which the rest of the world, and European countries especially, bought into the American Dream and tried to emulate us. That time is now shattered forever. It's past time America re-joined the world. Re-join the world, actually. There was a long, long time during which the rest of the world, and European countries especially, bought into the American Dream and tried to emulate us. That time is now shattered forever.

It’s past time America re-joined the world.

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29921 Max Shields Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:30:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29921 Don Monkerud This post is meaningless. Have you not read American History or the speeches of the Dem candidates as well as the Repub? Exceptionalism is part of the DNA of the "two party system". The difference? It's just a matter of who pounds their chest the hardest. The game is the Repubs do a lot of pounding, but in the end, the policies remain in tact - American Empire, first, last. always!!!! Viva the Imperialist Empire!!! Long live the American Corporate Capitalist oligarchy!! Here's some mud in your eye.... If, Don, you want to be part of real change than you have to begin by looking elsewhere. Both parties and candidates are pure, through and through exceptionalists. (Jezus - for starts read some Zinn will ya!!) Don Monkerud

This post is meaningless. Have you not read American History or the speeches of the Dem candidates as well as the Repub?

Exceptionalism is part of the DNA of the “two party system”.

The difference? It’s just a matter of who pounds their chest the hardest. The game is the Repubs do a lot of pounding, but in the end, the policies remain in tact – American Empire, first, last. always!!!! Viva the Imperialist Empire!!! Long live the American Corporate Capitalist oligarchy!! Here’s some mud in your eye….

If, Don, you want to be part of real change than you have to begin by looking elsewhere. Both parties and candidates are pure, through and through exceptionalists.

(Jezus – for starts read some Zinn will ya!!)

]]> By: John Hatch http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29918 John Hatch Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:27:06 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29918 America is exceptionally greedy, arrogant, violent, ignorant, and self-delusional. I hope that its latest antic, trashing the world economy, will finally lead to the worldwide boycott which will reveal whether America can 'go it alone'. Put that on your bumper sticker. America is exceptionally greedy, arrogant, violent, ignorant, and self-delusional. I hope that its latest antic, trashing the world economy, will finally lead to the worldwide boycott which will reveal whether America can ‘go it alone’. Put that on your bumper sticker.

]]> By: DavidG. http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29895 DavidG. Sat, 18 Oct 2008 05:59:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29895 The only thing that is exceptional about America is that is it peopled by sheeple! Any nation that could elect Bush 'TWICE' obviously has rocks in its head. And the fact that their Constitution didn't enable them to get rid of him exposes the nonsense that their hallowed Constitution is. And any group of people that claim their nation (with all it major problems and its warmongering and imperialism) is the greatest in the history of the world has shit for brains. My blog in Australia has more revelations about America! The only thing that is exceptional about America is that is it peopled by sheeple!

Any nation that could elect Bush ‘TWICE’ obviously has rocks in its head. And the fact that their Constitution didn’t enable them to get rid of him exposes the nonsense that their hallowed Constitution is.

And any group of people that claim their nation (with all it major problems and its warmongering and imperialism) is the greatest in the history of the world has shit for brains.

My blog in Australia has more revelations about America!

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29886 Hue Longer Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:51:59 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29886 Exceptionalism is not only limited to, "claims there is something inherently unique and different about America because we were a younger nation 200 years ago. We are more religious than others, separated from the world due to two oceans, are richer and practice an unusual form of democracy". There's plenty secularist US Americans who believe in a brand of American Exceptionalism which has nothing to do with being 200 years old. There's also plenty of Europeans and Canadians who feel exceptional even as they point at US exceptionalism while their's plays out in similar ways . JFK believed in American exceptionalism, and Obama too...The compartmentalization of better read, more worldly US Americans is harder to notice because the masses of brainwashed Nationalists look comparatively worse, much less do not understand or are proud of their exceptionalism and would not point out any hypocrisy leveled against them Exceptionalism is not only limited to, “claims there is something inherently unique and different about America because we were a younger nation 200 years ago. We are more religious than others, separated from the world due to two oceans, are richer and practice an unusual form of democracy”.

There’s plenty secularist US Americans who believe in a brand of American Exceptionalism which has nothing to do with being 200 years old. There’s also plenty of Europeans and Canadians who feel exceptional even as they point at US exceptionalism while their’s plays out in similar ways .

JFK believed in American exceptionalism, and Obama too…The compartmentalization of better read, more worldly US Americans is harder to notice because the masses of brainwashed Nationalists look comparatively worse, much less do not understand or are proud of their exceptionalism and would not point out any hypocrisy leveled against them

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29883 Deadbeat Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:22:14 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29883 I agree with manitor about Obama and American exceptionalism. What Obama represents is that he is not as ossified as John McCain who is absolutely insane and would be worse than GWB. Obama has some symbolism regarding a degree of progress against white supremacy but that is all. What Obama does represent is how the Left allow a vacuum to develop that is now being filled by Obama. The election of Obama is a stop gap whereby the Left needed to do some self assessment and figure out how it is going to organize and influence the working masses. I agree with manitor about Obama and American exceptionalism. What Obama represents is that he is not as ossified as John McCain who is absolutely insane and would be worse than GWB.

Obama has some symbolism regarding a degree of progress against white supremacy but that is all. What Obama does represent is how the Left allow a vacuum to develop that is now being filled by Obama. The election of Obama is a stop gap whereby the Left needed to do some self assessment and figure out how it is going to organize and influence the working masses.

]]> By: manitor http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29874 manitor Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:13:37 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29874 Obama espouses the same viewpoint as Palin/McCain/Bush with regards American exceptionalism. He wants a new American century. You are deluding yourself into more of the same, Don. Obama espouses the same viewpoint as Palin/McCain/Bush with regards American exceptionalism. He wants a new American century. You are deluding yourself into more of the same, Don.

]]> By: Wallace http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29869 Wallace Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:47:21 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29869 This article expresses a common sense view of America in our eyes and the eyes of the world that could be reached even without foreign travel. Any perceptive honest person who is fairly well read could easily reach these conclusions,but we prefer not to. This article expresses a common sense view of America in our eyes and the eyes of the world that could be reached even without foreign travel. Any perceptive honest person who is fairly well read could easily reach these conclusions,but we prefer not to.

]]> By: bozhidar bob balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/time-for-america-to-join-the-world/#comment-29867 bozhidar bob balkas Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:01:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3955#comment-29867 but, my dears, there r at least ten americas. and it is the america number uno which is separatist. america No. ten is not exceptional. i'm talking ab. prisoners. and then there is america No. 8, the indigenes; strange tho they r separatist but w. much less politico-econo-military powers than blacks. US like all(?) the other lands can be seen as stratified society. at the top strata, we may have only ab 2-10mn people. illegal imigrants r not even americans; they appear to be slavo-serfs. more cld be said. thnx but, my dears, there r at least ten americas. and it is the america number uno which is separatist.
america No. ten is not exceptional. i’m talking ab. prisoners.
and then there is america No. 8, the indigenes; strange tho they r separatist but w. much less politico-econo-military powers than blacks.
US like all(?) the other lands can be seen as stratified society.
at the top strata, we may have only ab 2-10mn people.
illegal imigrants r not even americans; they appear to be slavo-serfs.
more cld be said.
thnx

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