the word “racist” also need elucidation. gen’lly speaking, rich nations, ethnics look dwn on poorer ethnics, nations.
blacks/hispanics/indigenes r still considered less intelligent than other ethnics.
we can call this “racism” or anything else we want as long as we alight from time to time to descriptive level.
one is, gen’lly speaking, not racist against one’s ‘betters’; just envious, angry, hateful, etcetc.
nazis were angry against and envious of ‘jews’. i leave out for now why, since that is well known.
nazis have looked dwn on some slavs and angry against them because of border disputes.
anent gypsies, just ab everybody looked dwn on them.
from this we can see how obnubilating the word “racits” is. i don’t know why i use it; probable because of laziness or hate for the keyboard.
i’m onefinger user w. dozens of typos.

how can a non-semitic person be a jew? how can a pole be irish?

ab chomsky being a minizionist to me. he is for a twostate sol’n. i am for onestate sol’n. i don’t know if edward said was for one- or twostate sol’n.
twostate sol’n amounts to rewarding war criminals as well as approbation of the destruction of plstn by the judeo-christian alliance.
i’m certain i’l not accept that.
also, the second state is no longer available; just parts, shreds, parcels, fences, walls, disecting roads, gullies, checkpoints, eterne hatred/discord/skirmishes, etc.

just one more observation. it is not polite to put words in my mouth or impute that i either explicitly or tacitly posited that all christians, muslims, judaic voelken believe in all that these religions teach or misteach.
i’v read torah, bible, and quran. at least two of these compare in many aspects w. mein kampf. i haven’t read it, tho. i do not need to read it.
hope this throws more light on the topics we’r discussing. thnx

“Brian Koontz,

You are confusing the pseudo-left (people who continue to support war mongering imperialist parties like the ‘Democrats’ in the US or ‘New Labour’ in the UK) with the real left.

We are all complicit in so far as we do not do ENOUGH. We need to build radical & committed mass movements capable of exerting pressure, not just making gestures. To do that we need popular support.

ORGANISE! ACT! ESCALATE!”

The reason the left does not do “enough” is that the left has an educated form of ignorance, intentionally. So they are “against war” while not understanding war, they are “against imperialism” while not understanding imperialism, and so on. The left refuses to do two things:

1) Gain a true understanding of what they claim to be opposing

2) Do what it takes to destroy what they are opposing

The Hippie culture emerged out of this denial of doing what it takes to create effective change, a kind of naive “love thy enemy” ideology which continues to haunt and distract the left today.

Take a look at the linguistics of the situation, with a calm brain. Every popular mass movement in history has not claimed “We need to do enough!” or “We haven’t yet done enough”. This claim itself is reflective of a kind of pent-up frustration caused not by either the strength of the opponent of the weakness of allies, but by the complicity of the left in the system of power that the ruling class has created, summed up in the term “imperial benefits”. Serious mass movements know they are doing everything they can.

Take a close look at the left. They wear clothing manufactured by Asian slave labor, bought at “low low prices”. They consume luxury items they do not need, but that the ruling class has convinced them they need. They are weekend warriors, activists on their “off time” and corporate middle-managers or laborers the rest of their time.

Now of course there’s a more serious left out there, the radical left and the anarchist left. But in imperial countries this contingent is very small and will remain very small until the imperial benefits are eroded sufficiently. And even that left is complicit, just to a lesser extent.

Until the left is able to renounce all imperial benefits, they will remain complicit in imperialism and be unable to effect the destruction they repeatedly claim they want.

The primary motive for the left to repeatedly claim they want the things they don’t really want is moral conceit, an attempt at self-therapy as well as grouping together in order to pat each other on the backs that they are “doing something to make the world better”. When they inevitably fail they just say “Well, we didn’t do enough. Let’s do enough next time, ok guys?”

For further instruction on this topic, examine the emerging imperial societies in China, India, and South Korea. Each has a “left”, and they serve the same role as the left does in the older imperial societies – to diffuse and nullify anti-ruling class energy.

The only serious mass movements so far in human history have been poor people’s movements – not “imperial poor” getting blood money welfare checks but the truly poor – the poor of what we call the “third world”.

So there are only two ways for an imperial society to gain a serious mass movement:

Become a third-world society such that a sufficient number of truly impoverished people emerge.

Or, engage in a widespread moral revolution such that imperial benefits are renounced.

I’m a believer in learning from history rather than hoping for something that’s never happened before in history, so option 1 seems the only likely way for a serious mass movement to occur in any current imperial society.

How many Jews DON’T believe in Kol Nidre?
That “holiest” of “prayers.”

You are confusing the pseudo-left (people who continue to support war mongering imperialist parties like the ‘Democrats’ in the US or ‘New Labour’ in the UK) with the real left.

We are all complicit in so far as we do not do ENOUGH. We need to build radical & committed mass movements capable of exerting pressure, not just making gestures. To do that we need popular support.

ORGANISE! ACT! ESCALATE!

“It is not true that Europeans were racist towards Jews”
Really? Presumably you’ve never heard of the Nazi Party, or the Black Hundreds, or the British Union of Fascists, or more recently the various National Fronts? I know from personal experience that anti-Semitism is alive & well in Britain TODAY though it is nowhere near as big a problem as anti-Muslim & anti-immigrant racism. It is not considered politically ‘respectable’ by the major parties or corporate media (unlike racism against Muslims & immigrants) but it still exists.

The Torah says a lot of things. How many Catholics do you know who actually believe in Papal infallibility?

If Chomsky is a Zionist, presumably so is Edward Said?
Perhaps Hizballah are also Zionists? Maybe Hamas is a colonist welcoming committee?

“My critique of Chomsky is not his critique of Israeli violence. In fact his critique is part of his desire to end Israeli violence to maintain the so-called “facts on the ground” so that Israel concedes nothing.”

What basis do you have for making this accusation?

“My critique is based on Chomsky’s denial that Zionism is a problem within the United States and his outright Zionism plays NO role in affecting U.S. policy. I’d like to direct you to many of the article here on DV that are critical of Noam Chomsky role in obfuscation of AIPAC’s and Zionism’s influence upon U.S. political economy.”

Chomsky does not believe that the Israeli state plays a meaningful role in directing U.S. foreign policy, and there has been no proof given that he is incorrect. It’s illogical to believe the Israeli state plays a meaningful role in Washington based on the theory that capitalists “get what they pay for” – Zionism is a minor player in financing Washington politicians (multinational capitalists being the major player), and hence the only logical expectation is that they will receive minor results.

“His denials are held up by many supporters such as yourself that lead to a terrible riff on the Left that has retarded coalition building — the very thing you advocate. Chomsky dishonesty creates the level of distrust and misleads activists — especially white activists. This is a primary reason why the Left can be easily disrupted.”

The primary reason the Left can be easily disrupted is that the Left is complicit in Imperialism and hence doesn’t really want to stop the things they claim they want to stop, since virtually every issue of the Left is fundamentally related to Imperialism and Western Civilization.

it has been reported that many lands had restricted immigration of DPs into their lands.
however, it is equally true that zionists were asking or demanding people of judaic faith in europe be gathered in their new homeland.
remember the cry in 60s, Let my people go.
however, not all ashkenazic people wanted to settle in expalestine.

it it is not true that europeans were racist towards ‘jews’; it was perhaps the other way around.
remember, torah teaches/commands these people to be the light onto the world, to be lenders and not borrowers, to have servants and not to serve goyim; that they have god of their own who chose them.
nat, no european nation accepted such an uebermensclich (mis)teachings.
i do not. never will be secondclass earthling to no one. thanx

As for your accusations against Chomsky, what basis do they have? Consistently critiscising Israeli brutality seems a strange way of promoting the Israeli occupation.

Bozhidar, I am not upset. You obviously are reasonably fluent in English. I’m sure you understand the use of capital letters, for example. Typing “international” would take more effort than typing “internat’l?” Seriously? This from a man who insists on substituting “ashkenazim” for “Jew” every single time? “Horornaga” is not a word. It has no meaning. But hey, if you want to write in code, go right ahead! Whatever makes you happy…

About the bombing of Hiroshima & Nagasaki, I agree with you. They were acts of blatant terrorism & mass murder.

Of course the UK government, & unfortunately many of its people, have been racist. Racism provided a convenient ideological justification for slavery & empire. Today, it provides a justification for supporting US imperialism & provides a scapegoat on whom to blame the country’s problems.

However, the UK is not a monolith. Yes, there has been support for Zionism amongst the British ruling class (including Balfour & Churchill). Jews have also been subjected to racism, both specifically anti-Jewish & more general anti-immigrant. You think racism doesn’t affect white Europeans? Tell that to the Irish.

Most of the European Jews who migrated to Palestine immediately after WW2 went there because the US & UK refused to take them.

My critique of Chomsky is not his critique of Israeli violence. In fact his critique is part of his desire to end Israeli violence to maintain the so-called “facts on the ground” so that Israel concedes nothing.

My critique is based on Chomsky’s denial that Zionism is a problem within the United States and his outright Zionism plays NO role in affecting U.S. policy. I’d like to direct you to many of the article here on DV that are critical of Noam Chomsky role in obfuscation of AIPAC’s and Zionism’s influence upon U.S. political economy.

His denials are held up by many supporters such as yourself that lead to a terrible riff on the Left that has retarded coalition building — the very thing you advocate. Chomsky dishonesty creates the level of distrust and misleads activists — especially white activists. This is a primary reason why the Left can be easily disrupted.

Bozhidar, please stop torturing the English language. Your refusal to use basic punctuation & your habit of abbreviating every 2nd word make your rants even less comprehensible. For example, “slaughter of civs of horornaga proves what the uncle won’t do to expand.” What the hell is that supposed to mean? Is it a reference to the atomic bombings of Hiroshima & Nagasaki (a war crime comparable to any committed by the armies of Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany)? If so, why not clearly say that? If not, then what was your meaning?

Also, you’re exactly correct when you say that Jewish migration to Palestine after WW2 was partly a result of British racism: the UK government didn’t want Jewish refugees from central & eastern Europe settling in Britain. So they sent 100,000 of them to Palestine.

The state of Israel itself doesn’t represent the Palestinians who live there. It is explicitly racist, defining itself as the “state of the Jews.” Why then is the term “Israel lobby” misleading because it doesn’t represent the Palestinians in Israel? The lobby represents the percieved interests of the Israeli elite, rather than the whole Israeli people (let alone the Palestinians). It could be considered misleading in that sense, just as the interest of the US state/corporate elite is misleadingly called “the national interest.”

The symbiosis between the US & Israeli elites is harmful to the people of both countries, & catastrophic for the Palestinians & Lebanese. However, it is just part of the global problem of capitalism & imperialism.

ORGANISE! ACT! ESCALATE!
END THE WARS! END THE SYSTEM THAT PRODUCES THEM!

I apoligise for the first several minutes of the above U-Tube. I watched it for the first time very early this morning and thought that even those several minutes were wonderful.

It would be nice to read comments on the video by not only Kim Petersen, and Deadbeat and BB, but by the readers of Dissident Voice generally who view the tragedy in the Middle East a greater crime against humanity than the Embargo of Cuba.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GNZlkqn6Kg

Oh kay.