Comments on: Taking Politics Seriously: Looking Beyond the Election and Beyond Elections http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/taking-politics-seriously-looking-beyond-the-election-and-beyond-elections/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: AahBach http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/taking-politics-seriously-looking-beyond-the-election-and-beyond-elections/#comment-30391 AahBach Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:02:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4152#comment-30391 "The conventional political wisdom — Democrat and Republican, liberal and conservative — is deeply rooted in the denial of the severity of these crises and hostility to acknowledging the need for radical change." How benign. It would be more accurate to say that it's deeply rooted in the taking of bribes by the creators of theses crises and hostility to any change, however small, that would stop this benefit. “The conventional political wisdom — Democrat and Republican, liberal and conservative — is deeply rooted in the denial of the severity of these crises and hostility to acknowledging the need for radical change.”

How benign. It would be more accurate to say that it’s deeply rooted in the taking of bribes by the creators of theses crises and hostility to any change, however small, that would stop this benefit.

]]> By: cemmcs http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/taking-politics-seriously-looking-beyond-the-election-and-beyond-elections/#comment-30367 cemmcs Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:55:54 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4152#comment-30367 There's not a dime's worth of diference between McCain and Obama. That's what I think but there's no way to quantify. Don't worry: I'm not ashamed of you. I just thought I would add my two cents. There’s not a dime’s worth of diference between McCain and Obama. That’s what I think but there’s no way to quantify. Don’t worry: I’m not ashamed of you. I just thought I would add my two cents.

]]> By: bozhidar bob balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/taking-politics-seriously-looking-beyond-the-election-and-beyond-elections/#comment-30362 bozhidar bob balkas Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:35:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4152#comment-30362 youngblood/jensen, i do not want nor mean to bring up either one of u. but i have to say this: knowledge/education is by far more important than govts, military, economy, etc. and there is ample evidence that in US and many other countries (perhaps all?) children r 'educated' to be prolific (ab)users and efficient producers/ makers of stuff. stuff, most of which is needless. it is education and not miseducation that brought us trains, surgical instruments, plantings; knowledge ab planets, music, sciense, mathematics, etc. and it is, as far as i know, miseducation/disinformation that engenders warfare, poverty, close to zilch political power for many, stress, supervision and thus serfdom. now, i don't know how bad other countries r when it comes to education ab structure of governance where military is related to parliament; parliament/senate/congress to spy agencies, police, corporations, media, entertaiment, miseducation, etc. it's been said that to be is to be related. and, as far as i know, everything is related to anything else. yet, most people talk ab politicos, congress as existing in isolation; ie, not related to any degree to corporations, religion, military, etc. thus, voting for obama, to some people, means that obama is not connected to military, senate, billionaires, cia, (mis)education, disinformation media. and not being related to forces of such magnitude, obama does not have to nor will he listen to any of these entities? sorry, to disagree, one person can't enact any change. but even personalizing issues of such complexity belongs to mythology. even the claim that we have in canda and US separation church from state is a myth. else, church cldn't exist unless it is related. and neither cld i. i, too, am interdepedent. thnx youngblood/jensen,
i do not want nor mean to bring up either one of u. but i have to say this: knowledge/education is by far more important than govts, military, economy, etc.
and there is ample evidence that in US and many other countries (perhaps all?) children r ‘educated’ to be prolific (ab)users and efficient producers/ makers of stuff.
stuff, most of which is needless.
it is education and not miseducation that brought us trains, surgical instruments, plantings; knowledge ab planets, music, sciense, mathematics, etc.
and it is, as far as i know, miseducation/disinformation that engenders warfare, poverty, close to zilch political power for many, stress, supervision and thus serfdom.
now, i don’t know how bad other countries r when it comes to education ab structure of governance where military is related to parliament; parliament/senate/congress to spy agencies, police, corporations, media, entertaiment, miseducation, etc.
it’s been said that to be is to be related. and, as far as i know, everything is related to anything else.
yet, most people talk ab politicos, congress as existing in isolation; ie, not related to any degree to corporations, religion, military, etc.
thus, voting for obama, to some people, means that obama is not connected to military, senate, billionaires, cia, (mis)education, disinformation media.
and not being related to forces of such magnitude, obama does not have to nor will he listen to any of these entities?
sorry, to disagree, one person can’t enact any change. but even personalizing issues of such complexity belongs to mythology.
even the claim that we have in canda and US separation church from state is a myth.
else, church cldn’t exist unless it is related. and neither cld i.
i, too, am interdepedent. thnx

]]> By: Texas Byrd http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/taking-politics-seriously-looking-beyond-the-election-and-beyond-elections/#comment-30259 Texas Byrd Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:43:59 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4152#comment-30259 For editorialist, you sound like you never research your work. I stumbled onto your site and was shocked at the rhetoric for Obama. This one is scary. With all his socialist baggage and intentions - scary. Sorry you have already voted, it is your right. But looks like more than not, all of the above have cancelled your vote, our right. For editorialist, you sound like you never research your work. I stumbled onto your site and was shocked at the rhetoric for Obama. This one is scary. With all his socialist baggage and intentions – scary.
Sorry you have already voted, it is your right. But looks like more than not, all of the above have cancelled your vote, our right.

]]> By: bard lover http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/taking-politics-seriously-looking-beyond-the-election-and-beyond-elections/#comment-30251 bard lover Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:48:37 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4152#comment-30251 Ah yes, "The evil that men do lives." Ah yes, “The evil that men do lives.”

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/taking-politics-seriously-looking-beyond-the-election-and-beyond-elections/#comment-30243 Max Shields Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:15:36 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4152#comment-30243 Robert, who wrote this article - you or the other guy? I've been reading your stuff and the utter lack of anything resembling your previous posts is shameful. You have swallowed whole the Dem demonization of the other guy to the party who has gotten us into nearly every war we've ever been in and you're saying you actually voted for one of these two? Your posts will be hence forth ignored. It's called bad faith and you've just crossed the line. Robert, who wrote this article – you or the other guy?

I’ve been reading your stuff and the utter lack of anything resembling your previous posts is shameful.

You have swallowed whole the Dem demonization of the other guy to the party who has gotten us into nearly every war we’ve ever been in and you’re saying you actually voted for one of these two?

Your posts will be hence forth ignored. It’s called bad faith and you’ve just crossed the line.

]]> By: greybeard616 http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/taking-politics-seriously-looking-beyond-the-election-and-beyond-elections/#comment-30238 greybeard616 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:48:36 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4152#comment-30238 Absolutely correct, even though I personally am voting for Nader. Your vote is for the relatively more sane stance of Obama (though ten cents' worth of difference is most generous!). A non-violent revolution, either via electoral politics or via massive civil disobedience, may be the only mechanisms to rescue the whole project. But the future of human civilization as we know it is at stake. by the by, you should also have mentioned the madness of Zionist control of our current corporatocracy. Absolutely correct, even though I personally am voting for Nader. Your vote is for the relatively more sane stance of Obama (though ten cents’ worth of difference is most generous!). A non-violent revolution, either via electoral politics or via massive civil disobedience, may be the only mechanisms to rescue the whole project. But the future of human civilization as we know it is at stake. by the by, you should also have mentioned the madness of Zionist control of our current corporatocracy.

]]> By: manitor http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/taking-politics-seriously-looking-beyond-the-election-and-beyond-elections/#comment-30206 manitor Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:47:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4152#comment-30206 If you recognize the evil that Obama will do, your legitimization and support of him through voting is all the more disgusting. I am ashamed of you both. If you recognize the evil that Obama will do, your legitimization and support of him through voting is all the more disgusting.

I am ashamed of you both.

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