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		<title>By: antonio da silva</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo/#comment-29839</link>
		<dc:creator>antonio da silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Few people have the courge to tell facts that Dr.Sand  did. If they say a word against Israel,they will be called anti-semitic etc etc.
Israel can survive if it gets rid of its fanatic zionists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Few people have the courge to tell facts that Dr.Sand  did. If they say a word against Israel,they will be called anti-semitic etc etc.<br />
Israel can survive if it gets rid of its fanatic zionists.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar  bob  balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo/#comment-29595</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar  bob  balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my post vanished. quickly i&#039;l say this. i am:
1) for one state sol&#039;n
2) anyone who&#039;s for twostate &#039;sol&#039;n&#039;  is to me a mini zionist.
3)thus, is rewarding criminal behavior of the euro-asiatic volk
thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my post vanished. quickly i&#8217;l say this. i am:<br />
1) for one state sol&#8217;n<br />
2) anyone who&#8217;s for twostate &#8216;sol&#8217;n&#8217;  is to me a mini zionist.<br />
3)thus, is rewarding criminal behavior of the euro-asiatic volk<br />
thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Knight-Jadczyk</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo/#comment-29582</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Knight-Jadczyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Mr. Kenny has  been reading either the archaeological research that&#039;s been going on for many years much less the scholarly work in comparative religion and history of Israel among historians of religion.  This work is growing in volume and influence and it is rapidly becoming obvious that not only is Israel a fraud, so is Judaism (and by relation, Christianity and Islam.) 

I guess Mr. Kenny also never read Koestler&#039;s &quot;The Thirteenth Tribe&quot; or Douglas Reed&#039;s &quot;Controversy of Zion&quot; where many of these same issues were articulated long ago, in opposition to the Zionist myth.  Nor has he read Hannah Arendt&#039;s &quot;The Origins of Totalitarianism&quot; which gives an interesting history of the Jews in Europe though Arendt was abysmally ignorant of Jewish religion and religious history.

Mr. Kenny writes: &quot;Basically, Dr Sand’s theory is just a re-cycled version of the argument that modern Israel was empty land in 1948 and the Palestinians are just camel-riding nomads who drifted in since then. The discourse is still “this land is mine”. They’re just looking at a different piece of land!&quot;

Hmmm... did he read the article at all?  Did he not notice that it is clearly stated that the Palestinians, if anyone, were the original Jews who never left, but merely converted to Islam and/or Christianity?

Finally: Is there a &quot;deepening panic&quot; among Israelis?  Perhaps among some of them, in the same way there is a deepening panic among some Americans who are beginning to realize - vaguely - that pathological deviants have been in leadership positions for a long time, and pathology never maps a reasonable political agenda for anyone.  Based on what I hear from Israel, most Israelis are as ignorant about what is going on and what the potential outcomes are as are most Americans regarding the collapse of the US. 

And, over it all preside the psychopaths - the lunatics who have taken over the asylum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Mr. Kenny has  been reading either the archaeological research that&#8217;s been going on for many years much less the scholarly work in comparative religion and history of Israel among historians of religion.  This work is growing in volume and influence and it is rapidly becoming obvious that not only is Israel a fraud, so is Judaism (and by relation, Christianity and Islam.) </p>
<p>I guess Mr. Kenny also never read Koestler&#8217;s &#8220;The Thirteenth Tribe&#8221; or Douglas Reed&#8217;s &#8220;Controversy of Zion&#8221; where many of these same issues were articulated long ago, in opposition to the Zionist myth.  Nor has he read Hannah Arendt&#8217;s &#8220;The Origins of Totalitarianism&#8221; which gives an interesting history of the Jews in Europe though Arendt was abysmally ignorant of Jewish religion and religious history.</p>
<p>Mr. Kenny writes: &#8220;Basically, Dr Sand’s theory is just a re-cycled version of the argument that modern Israel was empty land in 1948 and the Palestinians are just camel-riding nomads who drifted in since then. The discourse is still “this land is mine”. They’re just looking at a different piece of land!&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230; did he read the article at all?  Did he not notice that it is clearly stated that the Palestinians, if anyone, were the original Jews who never left, but merely converted to Islam and/or Christianity?</p>
<p>Finally: Is there a &#8220;deepening panic&#8221; among Israelis?  Perhaps among some of them, in the same way there is a deepening panic among some Americans who are beginning to realize &#8211; vaguely &#8211; that pathological deviants have been in leadership positions for a long time, and pathology never maps a reasonable political agenda for anyone.  Based on what I hear from Israel, most Israelis are as ignorant about what is going on and what the potential outcomes are as are most Americans regarding the collapse of the US. </p>
<p>And, over it all preside the psychopaths &#8211; the lunatics who have taken over the asylum.</p>
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		<title>By: bill rowe</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo/#comment-29578</link>
		<dc:creator>bill rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a relelation. maybe I will see another event like the fall of the Berlin wall, breakup of the Soviet Union, end of SOuth Africa apartheid,,,, in my lifetime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a relelation. maybe I will see another event like the fall of the Berlin wall, breakup of the Soviet Union, end of SOuth Africa apartheid,,,, in my lifetime</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo/#comment-29562</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I would take this with a grain of salt. I think what is going on is that both Israelis and Jews worldwide are beginning to realise that Israel is an impossible dream and that, with American power broken, the “one state solution” is the only realistic one.&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly. Good intentions or no, anyone with any awareness of history should have known that a Jewish state would be no different in principle from an Aryan state (with all the self-important arrogance that came with it in both cases). Racism is racism no matter who&#039;s on which side. Sooner or later Israel, like Germany and Britain and Rome in the past and America in the future, will have to accept that they&#039;re not special or exceptional, and (maybe) eventually learn to play well with others. It won&#039;t be easy - and it won&#039;t be the kind of birth pangs Condi and the zealots had in mind - but history has shown what the only alternative is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I would take this with a grain of salt. I think what is going on is that both Israelis and Jews worldwide are beginning to realise that Israel is an impossible dream and that, with American power broken, the “one state solution” is the only realistic one.</i></p>
<p>Exactly. Good intentions or no, anyone with any awareness of history should have known that a Jewish state would be no different in principle from an Aryan state (with all the self-important arrogance that came with it in both cases). Racism is racism no matter who&#8217;s on which side. Sooner or later Israel, like Germany and Britain and Rome in the past and America in the future, will have to accept that they&#8217;re not special or exceptional, and (maybe) eventually learn to play well with others. It won&#8217;t be easy &#8211; and it won&#8217;t be the kind of birth pangs Condi and the zealots had in mind &#8211; but history has shown what the only alternative is.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
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		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I actually read this article, I don&#039;t &#039;take it with a grain of sand,&#039; but as a very relevant peice of research.  Especially this paragraph:

“It is not taught in Israeli schools but most of the early Zionist leaders, including David Ben Gurion [Israel’s first prime minister], believed that the Palestinians were the descendants of the area’s original Jews. They believed the Jews had later converted to Islam.”

Which is a shocking, wonderful revelation to overturn zionist zeal and hopefully create a new, one-state solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I actually read this article, I don&#8217;t &#8216;take it with a grain of sand,&#8217; but as a very relevant peice of research.  Especially this paragraph:</p>
<p>“It is not taught in Israeli schools but most of the early Zionist leaders, including David Ben Gurion [Israel’s first prime minister], believed that the Palestinians were the descendants of the area’s original Jews. They believed the Jews had later converted to Islam.”</p>
<p>Which is a shocking, wonderful revelation to overturn zionist zeal and hopefully create a new, one-state solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo/#comment-29519</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would take this with a grain of salt. I think what is going on is that both Israelis and Jews worldwide are beginning to realise that Israel is an impossible dream and that, with American power broken, the &quot;one state solution&quot; is the only realistic one.  Not all Israelis will want to be Jewish citizens of largely Muslim Palestine and so they are casting around for an alternative. Since many Israelis have European passports in their back pockets and an America that has been destroyed by its alliance with Israel may not be all that welcoming to Jews, they are naturally looking at Europe as an alternative.

That necessarily involves re-writing the Zionist discourse, in which the Jews, unwelcome in Europe, were to return to the land of their ancestors and there establish a Jewish state. In that logic, the Jews would not be welcome if they returned to Europe as an alien, non-European people. Hence, the Jews have to be &quot;de-peopleised&quot; and turned into a mere religion, to which  millions of ethnic Europeans converted at some point. The modern Jews are thus the descendants of those people and not of immigrants into Europe from Palestine. That is essentially the new discourse which Dr Sand is articulating and which was also articulated by Uri Avnery in a recent article.

Basically, Dr Sand&#039;s theory is just a re-cycled version of the argument that modern Israel was empty land in 1948 and the Palestinians are just camel-riding nomads who drifted in since then. The discourse is still &quot;this land is mine&quot;. They&#039;re just looking at a different piece of land!

What all this reflects is the deepening panic in Israel, as people come to grips with the end of  US hegemony and what it means for them. Like the South African whites, or the Pied-Noirs in Algeria, the Israelis are understandably worried about what will happen to them when the people they have persecuted for 60 years get the upper hand. And with the US economy in the toliet, the unspoken belief that if the worst came to the worst, they could always go to the US also seems increasingly increasingly unrealistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would take this with a grain of salt. I think what is going on is that both Israelis and Jews worldwide are beginning to realise that Israel is an impossible dream and that, with American power broken, the &#8220;one state solution&#8221; is the only realistic one.  Not all Israelis will want to be Jewish citizens of largely Muslim Palestine and so they are casting around for an alternative. Since many Israelis have European passports in their back pockets and an America that has been destroyed by its alliance with Israel may not be all that welcoming to Jews, they are naturally looking at Europe as an alternative.</p>
<p>That necessarily involves re-writing the Zionist discourse, in which the Jews, unwelcome in Europe, were to return to the land of their ancestors and there establish a Jewish state. In that logic, the Jews would not be welcome if they returned to Europe as an alien, non-European people. Hence, the Jews have to be &#8220;de-peopleised&#8221; and turned into a mere religion, to which  millions of ethnic Europeans converted at some point. The modern Jews are thus the descendants of those people and not of immigrants into Europe from Palestine. That is essentially the new discourse which Dr Sand is articulating and which was also articulated by Uri Avnery in a recent article.</p>
<p>Basically, Dr Sand&#8217;s theory is just a re-cycled version of the argument that modern Israel was empty land in 1948 and the Palestinians are just camel-riding nomads who drifted in since then. The discourse is still &#8220;this land is mine&#8221;. They&#8217;re just looking at a different piece of land!</p>
<p>What all this reflects is the deepening panic in Israel, as people come to grips with the end of  US hegemony and what it means for them. Like the South African whites, or the Pied-Noirs in Algeria, the Israelis are understandably worried about what will happen to them when the people they have persecuted for 60 years get the upper hand. And with the US economy in the toliet, the unspoken belief that if the worst came to the worst, they could always go to the US also seems increasingly increasingly unrealistic.</p>
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