Comments on: Guardian Held Hostage by Islamophobic Pressure Group http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/guardian-held-hostage-by-islamophobic-pressure-group/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:03:40 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/guardian-held-hostage-by-islamophobic-pressure-group/#comment-29522 Michael Kenny Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:12:49 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3743#comment-29522 Bear in mind a few points. 1. We don’t have “neocons” here in Europe. Indeed, the word “conservative” doesn’t mean exactly the same thing over here. 2. The word “liberal” means “conservative” in Europe. Thus, describing the Guardian as “liberal media” reveals laughable ignorance of Europe. That discredits the entire article. 3. What is and what is not free speech in Britain is a matter for the British and if Ms Rizzo doesn’t like the European way of doing things, she should stay out of Europe. She should also abstain from following George Bush’s lead and asserting the right of Americans to dictate to others how to run their countries. 4. The passage she quotes, due to its virulent tone (it’s also full of mistakes of English!), certainly violates the canons of European journalism and could well violate Europe’s very strict hate speech laws, thereby exposing not merely Ms Terani but Mr Seaton and the paper itself to prosecution. I would guess that the paper’s lawyers insisted, just to be on the safe side, that the articles be withdrawn and an apology issued. 5. It is perfectly possible to express the same ideas in polite and respectful language, in full accordance with Europe’s cultural tradition. Like Ms Rizzo, if Ms Terani doesn’t like the way European civilisation works, she should leave. If she chooses to play in our yard, she must play by our rules. 6. I would also guess that the lawyers have told Mr Seaton not to make any further comment or get into any discussion with any person on this matter. I doubt therefore if Ms Rizzo will ever get an answer from him, particularly if the tone of the e-mail she sent was as virulent and polemical as this article. 7. All of these various antics by extremist Jewish groups reflect their growing sense of defeat. Israel rests entirely on American brute force and America is collapsing. That they are lashing out wildly is actually a good sign. Since they assert the right to say about Muslims the very same things that they object to when said about Israel, they actually shoot themselves in the foot every time they make a fuss. My advice to Ms Rizzo: Yankee stay home! Bear in mind a few points.
1. We don’t have “neocons” here in Europe. Indeed, the word “conservative” doesn’t mean exactly the same thing over here.
2. The word “liberal” means “conservative” in Europe. Thus, describing the Guardian as “liberal media” reveals laughable ignorance of Europe. That discredits the entire article.
3. What is and what is not free speech in Britain is a matter for the British and if Ms Rizzo doesn’t like the European way of doing things, she should stay out of Europe. She should also abstain from following George Bush’s lead and asserting the right of Americans to dictate to others how to run their countries.
4. The passage she quotes, due to its virulent tone (it’s also full of mistakes of English!), certainly violates the canons of European journalism and could well violate Europe’s very strict hate speech laws, thereby exposing not merely Ms Terani but Mr Seaton and the paper itself to prosecution. I would guess that the paper’s lawyers insisted, just to be on the safe side, that the articles be withdrawn and an apology issued.
5. It is perfectly possible to express the same ideas in polite and respectful language, in full accordance with Europe’s cultural tradition. Like Ms Rizzo, if Ms Terani doesn’t like the way European civilisation works, she should leave. If she chooses to play in our yard, she must play by our rules.
6. I would also guess that the lawyers have told Mr Seaton not to make any further comment or get into any discussion with any person on this matter. I doubt therefore if Ms Rizzo will ever get an answer from him, particularly if the tone of the e-mail she sent was as virulent and polemical as this article.
7. All of these various antics by extremist Jewish groups reflect their growing sense of defeat. Israel rests entirely on American brute force and America is collapsing. That they are lashing out wildly is actually a good sign. Since they assert the right to say about Muslims the very same things that they object to when said about Israel, they actually shoot themselves in the foot every time they make a fuss.

My advice to Ms Rizzo: Yankee stay home!

]]> By: Clap Hammer http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/guardian-held-hostage-by-islamophobic-pressure-group/#comment-29521 Clap Hammer Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:49:37 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3743#comment-29521 I think that it is truly dreadful. Banning a wonderful anti semitic anti zionist tosser from CI(F) is a true tragedy. It is simply not to be tolerated. Whatever will CI(F) do next? Stop Bungle posting his bile? I think that it is truly dreadful.

Banning a wonderful anti semitic anti zionist tosser from CI(F) is a true tragedy.

It is simply not to be tolerated.

Whatever will CI(F) do next? Stop Bungle posting his bile?

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/guardian-held-hostage-by-islamophobic-pressure-group/#comment-29516 Deadbeat Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:22:10 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3743#comment-29516 Ron, Thanks again for another great article. These acts of censorship are extremely troubling. Thanks for bringing attention to issues like this and enabling the Left to confront these issues head on. Please keep up the great writing! thx DB Ron,

Thanks again for another great article. These acts of censorship are extremely troubling. Thanks for bringing attention to issues like this and enabling the Left to confront these issues head on.

Please keep up the great writing!

thx
DB

]]> By: nahida http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/guardian-held-hostage-by-islamophobic-pressure-group/#comment-29505 nahida Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:51:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3743#comment-29505 As one of the very few Palestinians who try to comment on CIF, of the Guardian, I have experienced severe censorship; Many of my poems and comments were deleted (especially the ones which contains links to PICTURES that they don't want the world to see. I was even blocked from being able to post anything and it wasn't until people complained that I was able to post again Please visit my webpage and have a look at the zionists’ crimes, and share them with everyone you know: http://poetryforpalestine.spaces.live.com/ As one of the very few Palestinians who try to comment on CIF, of the Guardian, I have experienced severe censorship;

Many of my poems and comments were deleted (especially the ones which contains links to PICTURES that they don’t want the world to see.

I was even blocked from being able to post anything and it wasn’t until people complained that I was able to post again

Please visit my webpage and have a look at the zionists’ crimes, and share them with everyone you know:

http://poetryforpalestine.spaces.live.com/

]]> By: Hugh http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/guardian-held-hostage-by-islamophobic-pressure-group/#comment-29503 Hugh Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:40:52 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3743#comment-29503 What she said sounds like the Protocols of Zion, that's why. What she said sounds like the Protocols of Zion, that’s why.

]]> By: Giorgio http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/guardian-held-hostage-by-islamophobic-pressure-group/#comment-29502 Giorgio Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:48:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3743#comment-29502 Thank you Ron, I'll certainly send this moral dwarf, Matt Seaton, an email giving him a piece of my mind...thx Thank you Ron, I’ll certainly send this moral dwarf, Matt Seaton, an email giving him a piece of my mind…thx

]]> By: William http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/guardian-held-hostage-by-islamophobic-pressure-group/#comment-29491 William Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:14:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3743#comment-29491 its an absolute disgrace and shame on the so-called "liberal-left" Guardian. Everyone should boycott this paper and tell everyone they know to stop buying and selling this paper! its an absolute disgrace and shame on the so-called “liberal-left” Guardian. Everyone should boycott this paper and tell everyone they know to stop buying and selling this paper!

]]> By: Ron Horn http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/guardian-held-hostage-by-islamophobic-pressure-group/#comment-29488 Ron Horn Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:14:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=3743#comment-29488 I think that we all should send an email to Matt Seaton to protest this cowardly act of censorship. Send to letters@guardian.co.uk. I think that we all should send an email to Matt Seaton to protest this cowardly act of censorship. Send to letters@guardian.co.uk.

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