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		<title>By: bozhidar  bob  balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/blaming-the-victims-of-the-crisis/#comment-30231</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar  bob  balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brian, 
i have restricted the blame for poor by rich people to the fact that they look dwn on us; they hate us because we want  &#039;their hard-earned&#039;  (read dishonestly) money.
they blame us for, what&#039;s in their mind, our laziness and for their  &#039;burdens&#039;  looking after us, etcetc.
they don&#039;t blame us for US war failures.  or do they?  r they blaming soldiers in iraq and afgh&#039;n for  the fact that the  &#039;missions&#039;  r not completed?
actually, as i was distributing antiwar leaflets in vancouver in &#039;03, a woman whom i gave a leaflet said to me that our protest may be helping pashtuns.
and bush can go after me as well for aiding resistors. didn&#039;t  he pass a law that allows US to penalize dissidents for being proterrorist?
so they may blames for that too. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brian,<br />
i have restricted the blame for poor by rich people to the fact that they look dwn on us; they hate us because we want  &#8216;their hard-earned&#8217;  (read dishonestly) money.<br />
they blame us for, what&#8217;s in their mind, our laziness and for their  &#8216;burdens&#8217;  looking after us, etcetc.<br />
they don&#8217;t blame us for US war failures.  or do they?  r they blaming soldiers in iraq and afgh&#8217;n for  the fact that the  &#8216;missions&#8217;  r not completed?<br />
actually, as i was distributing antiwar leaflets in vancouver in &#8217;03, a woman whom i gave a leaflet said to me that our protest may be helping pashtuns.<br />
and bush can go after me as well for aiding resistors. didn&#8217;t  he pass a law that allows US to penalize dissidents for being proterrorist?<br />
so they may blames for that too. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/blaming-the-victims-of-the-crisis/#comment-30200</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paid by Republicans? I wish. I&#039;m neither left nor right. It&#039;s time for class cooperation instead of competition and warfare. If society had a coherent vision and a common culture there would be less class antagonism and more synthesis on all levels. Given the pluralistic basis of modernity I doubt very much that will ever happen, and so the pointless fighting continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paid by Republicans? I wish. I&#8217;m neither left nor right. It&#8217;s time for class cooperation instead of competition and warfare. If society had a coherent vision and a common culture there would be less class antagonism and more synthesis on all levels. Given the pluralistic basis of modernity I doubt very much that will ever happen, and so the pointless fighting continues.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Lapon</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/blaming-the-victims-of-the-crisis/#comment-30194</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Lapon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the topic of &quot;Reagan Democrats&quot; I&#039;d like to recommend this article:
http://www.counterpunch.org/taylor10222008.html , &quot;Race and the Election&quot; as well as: http://socialistworker.org/2008/05/09/myth-reactionary-working-class 

To respond to Timber, I doubt you live in a working class neighborhood if half of your neighbors are driving Escalades and the like.  (People are going into debt to pay for essentials: http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/ManageDebt/TheWorstKindOfDebtChargingTheGroceries.aspx   AND  http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/credit/2008-02-28-credit-cards_N.htm)

This does raise an important point: what about working class people who get over their heads in debt, aren&#039;t they to blame at least in part?  No.  The reality is that every Escalade, every house, every good or service in the world was made by the working class, which creates all of the wealth.  The reason so much of this wealth ends up in the pockets of an idle, parasitic ruling class is because of exploitation, of workers being robbed of the value they create.  Then the capitalists have the nerve to lend the wealth they steal back to the workers they stole it from!  And they can charge predatory interest rates, because the workers, especially those who also face racism, are &quot;risky&quot; borrowers.  They are &quot;risky&quot; BECAUSE of exploitation and racism, because their wages are constantly being pushed down (replaced by borrowing) and their jobs are not secure (a result of capitalism&#039;s tendency towards crisis).

If you take a step back and look at the big picture, workers are not living beyond their means in any absolute sense.  Our means are artificially restricted by the fact that we&#039;re exploited by a small group of people who use the wealth we create to send us to war to kill and be killed, waste it on their luxury goods, advertising, making 40 different types of toilet paper and toothpaste, and other nonsense, and produce without regard to the environment or workers&#039; safety.  Let&#039;s keep the focus on who is really to blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the topic of &#8220;Reagan Democrats&#8221; I&#8217;d like to recommend this article:<br />
<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/taylor10222008.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/taylor10222008.html</a> , &#8220;Race and the Election&#8221; as well as: <a href="http://socialistworker.org/2008/05/09/myth-reactionary-working-class" rel="nofollow">http://socialistworker.org/2008/05/09/myth-reactionary-working-class</a> </p>
<p>To respond to Timber, I doubt you live in a working class neighborhood if half of your neighbors are driving Escalades and the like.  (People are going into debt to pay for essentials: <a href="http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/ManageDebt/TheWorstKindOfDebtChargingTheGroceries.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/ManageDebt/TheWorstKindOfDebtChargingTheGroceries.aspx</a>   AND  <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/credit/2008-02-28-credit-cards_N.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/credit/2008-02-28-credit-cards_N.htm</a>)</p>
<p>This does raise an important point: what about working class people who get over their heads in debt, aren&#8217;t they to blame at least in part?  No.  The reality is that every Escalade, every house, every good or service in the world was made by the working class, which creates all of the wealth.  The reason so much of this wealth ends up in the pockets of an idle, parasitic ruling class is because of exploitation, of workers being robbed of the value they create.  Then the capitalists have the nerve to lend the wealth they steal back to the workers they stole it from!  And they can charge predatory interest rates, because the workers, especially those who also face racism, are &#8220;risky&#8221; borrowers.  They are &#8220;risky&#8221; BECAUSE of exploitation and racism, because their wages are constantly being pushed down (replaced by borrowing) and their jobs are not secure (a result of capitalism&#8217;s tendency towards crisis).</p>
<p>If you take a step back and look at the big picture, workers are not living beyond their means in any absolute sense.  Our means are artificially restricted by the fact that we&#8217;re exploited by a small group of people who use the wealth we create to send us to war to kill and be killed, waste it on their luxury goods, advertising, making 40 different types of toilet paper and toothpaste, and other nonsense, and produce without regard to the environment or workers&#8217; safety.  Let&#8217;s keep the focus on who is really to blame.</p>
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		<title>By: brs</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/blaming-the-victims-of-the-crisis/#comment-30191</link>
		<dc:creator>brs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew = republican paid troll.  Think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew = republican paid troll.  Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar  bob  balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/blaming-the-victims-of-the-crisis/#comment-30190</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar  bob  balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drew,
the reason that some poor and even some rich people balme the superrich, is because superrich have iron grip on econo-military-political power.
thus r responsible for all the crimes US has been commiting for at least a century.
thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drew,<br />
the reason that some poor and even some rich people balme the superrich, is because superrich have iron grip on econo-military-political power.<br />
thus r responsible for all the crimes US has been commiting for at least a century.<br />
thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/blaming-the-victims-of-the-crisis/#comment-30189</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the credit when they help the world.  Now would be a very good time to start and soon. It sure looks like the survival of the human race means the system needs to change and being rich that is a big part of the system you know whatever it takes needs to change.  Oh no how could we go on to live in such a World.  Well keep using this system and see how well it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the credit when they help the world.  Now would be a very good time to start and soon. It sure looks like the survival of the human race means the system needs to change and being rich that is a big part of the system you know whatever it takes needs to change.  Oh no how could we go on to live in such a World.  Well keep using this system and see how well it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 04:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In recent years, African Americans were given sub-prime mortgages at over &lt;b&gt;twice the rate of low-income whites. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

This is an issue of both class and &lt;b&gt;race&lt;/b&gt;.  That shouldn&#039;t be ignored in the comments.  It is not just about the &quot;poor&quot;.  The ruling class is engage in their default scapegoating of African American in their attempt to align themselves with working class whites.  Let&#039;s recall that it was the &quot;Reagan Democrats&quot; (working class whites) that consistently voted against their interest that gave the U.S. 30 years of reactionary economics policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In recent years, African Americans were given sub-prime mortgages at over <b>twice the rate of low-income whites. </b></i></p>
<p>This is an issue of both class and <b>race</b>.  That shouldn&#8217;t be ignored in the comments.  It is not just about the &#8220;poor&#8221;.  The ruling class is engage in their default scapegoating of African American in their attempt to align themselves with working class whites.  Let&#8217;s recall that it was the &#8220;Reagan Democrats&#8221; (working class whites) that consistently voted against their interest that gave the U.S. 30 years of reactionary economics policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Koontz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/blaming-the-victims-of-the-crisis/#comment-30181</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;gary, yes the rich always blame the poor people. and for ages.
we r- to them- lazy, dirty, uneducated, unmotivated, etc.
we need their guidance/proddings/firm rule else we just get lazier and lazier. thnx&quot;

That&#039;s not exactly true. The rich don&#039;t so much &quot;blame the poor&quot; as want to establish in their own minds the degradation of the poor. It&#039;s part of the ongoing abusive relationship between the rich and the poor - kind of like when an abusive spouse tells his/her mate - &quot;You&#039;re pathetic. You&#039;re nothing&quot;.

&quot;How ironic. The poor always blame the rich. Think about it.&quot;

The rich are the ones in control - therefore they deserve the blame when they abuse the world (almost always) and the credit when the help the world (almost never).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;gary, yes the rich always blame the poor people. and for ages.<br />
we r- to them- lazy, dirty, uneducated, unmotivated, etc.<br />
we need their guidance/proddings/firm rule else we just get lazier and lazier. thnx&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not exactly true. The rich don&#8217;t so much &#8220;blame the poor&#8221; as want to establish in their own minds the degradation of the poor. It&#8217;s part of the ongoing abusive relationship between the rich and the poor &#8211; kind of like when an abusive spouse tells his/her mate &#8211; &#8220;You&#8217;re pathetic. You&#8217;re nothing&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;How ironic. The poor always blame the rich. Think about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>The rich are the ones in control &#8211; therefore they deserve the blame when they abuse the world (almost always) and the credit when the help the world (almost never).</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The observable universe contains about 3 to 7 × 1022 stars (30 to 70 billion trillion stars),[13] organized in more than 80 billion galaxies, which themselves form clusters and superclusters.[14]

Estimation based on the measured stellar density 
One way to calculate the mass of the visible matter which makes up the observable universe is to assume a mean solar mass and to multiply that by an estimate of the number of stars in the observable universe. The estimate of the number of stars in the universe is derived from the volume of the observable universe
and a stellar density calculated from observations by the Hubble Space Telescope

yielding an estimate of the number of stars in the observable universe of 9 × 1021 stars (9 billion trillion stars).

Lazy sometimes but not stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The observable universe contains about 3 to 7 × 1022 stars (30 to 70 billion trillion stars),[13] organized in more than 80 billion galaxies, which themselves form clusters and superclusters.[14]</p>
<p>Estimation based on the measured stellar density<br />
One way to calculate the mass of the visible matter which makes up the observable universe is to assume a mean solar mass and to multiply that by an estimate of the number of stars in the observable universe. The estimate of the number of stars in the universe is derived from the volume of the observable universe<br />
and a stellar density calculated from observations by the Hubble Space Telescope</p>
<p>yielding an estimate of the number of stars in the observable universe of 9 × 1021 stars (9 billion trillion stars).</p>
<p>Lazy sometimes but not stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Timber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they focus on race; if they said &quot;poor neighborhoods&quot; instead of identifying them by who lived there, they&#039;d be admitting to class divisions that they claim don&#039;t exist.

By the same token, I live in a poor/working-class neighborhood myself; are half of my neighbors driving Escalades, Tahoes, Yukons, Expeditions and other pricey gas-guzzlers because they were &quot;tricked&quot; by some slick sales pitch, or because they judge themselves by the same criteria that the middle class and wealthy do--possessions and status symbols?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they focus on race; if they said &#8220;poor neighborhoods&#8221; instead of identifying them by who lived there, they&#8217;d be admitting to class divisions that they claim don&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>By the same token, I live in a poor/working-class neighborhood myself; are half of my neighbors driving Escalades, Tahoes, Yukons, Expeditions and other pricey gas-guzzlers because they were &#8220;tricked&#8221; by some slick sales pitch, or because they judge themselves by the same criteria that the middle class and wealthy do&#8211;possessions and status symbols?</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How ironic. The poor always blame the rich. Think about it.</description>
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		<title>By: bozhidar  bob  balkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozhidar  bob  balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gary, yes the rich always blame the poor people. and for ages.
we r-  to them-  lazy, dirty, uneducated, unmotivated, etc.
we need their guidance/proddings/firm rule else we just get lazier and lazier. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gary, yes the rich always blame the poor people. and for ages.<br />
we r-  to them-  lazy, dirty, uneducated, unmotivated, etc.<br />
we need their guidance/proddings/firm rule else we just get lazier and lazier. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Lapon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Lapon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above article was first published by Socialist Worker: http://socialistworker.org/2008/10/21/blaming-victims-of-the-crisis</description>
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