Comments on: An Ally in the White House? http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/an-ally-in-the-white-house/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:51:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Rich Griffin http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/an-ally-in-the-white-house/#comment-30741 Rich Griffin Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:57:44 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4293#comment-30741 I've simply been so angry at Obama supporters. I understand that emotional responses are trumping rational responses where Obama is concerned. Obama supporters, when asked, never know his actual positions, will tell me that I'm wrong when I tell them how he has voted and what he has pledged to do. When I ask them what they are willing to support or not support they clearly want Ralph Nader or perhaps Cynthia McKinney but they are so brainwashed by the "D" after Obama's name. My only hope is that perhaps more and more people - in time - will become so disillusioned, so disgusted, they will leave both major parties once and for all. Meanwhile, I'm sad and so upset with family members, etc. Obama is a disaster. It's all so sad. I’ve simply been so angry at Obama supporters. I understand that emotional responses are trumping rational responses where Obama is concerned. Obama supporters, when asked, never know his actual positions, will tell me that I’m wrong when I tell them how he has voted and what he has pledged to do. When I ask them what they are willing to support or not support they clearly want Ralph Nader or perhaps Cynthia McKinney but they are so brainwashed by the “D” after Obama’s name. My only hope is that perhaps more and more people – in time – will become so disillusioned, so disgusted, they will leave both major parties once and for all. Meanwhile, I’m sad and so upset with family members, etc. Obama is a disaster. It’s all so sad.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/an-ally-in-the-white-house/#comment-30704 Don Hawkins Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:14:49 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4293#comment-30704 "From where Winston stood it was just possible to read, picked out on its white face in elegant lettering, the three slogans of the Party: WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH." "Never again will you be capable of ordinary human feeling. Everything will be dead inside you. Never again will you be capable of love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity. You will be hollow. We shall squeeze you empty and then we shall fill you with ourselves." "The ideal set up by the Party was something huge, terrible, and glittering—a world of steel and concrete, of monstrous machines and terrifying weapons—a nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, persecuting—three hundred million people all with the same face." "He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother." WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH." This could never happen at least in the United States well yes I have two jobs to just stay even and my wife works and I think McCain is the man usa usa usa drill baby drill and maybe we will stay in Iraq 100 years and Iran is next. No this could never happen in the grearest nation in the World. Big brother this Orwell guy must have been smoking something. Ignorance is strength everbody knows that's not true just plain dumb. Oh wheel of fortune just came on the TV got to run. “From where Winston stood it was just possible to read, picked out on its white face in elegant lettering, the three slogans of the Party:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.”

“Never again will you be capable of ordinary human feeling. Everything will be dead inside you. Never again will you be capable of love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity. You will be hollow. We shall squeeze you empty and then we shall fill you with ourselves.”

“The ideal set up by the Party was something huge, terrible, and glittering—a world of steel and concrete, of monstrous machines and terrifying weapons—a nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, persecuting—three hundred million people all with the same face.”

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.” This could never happen at least in the United States well yes I have two jobs to just stay even and my wife works and I think McCain is the man usa usa usa drill baby drill and maybe we will stay in Iraq 100 years and Iran is next. No this could never happen in the grearest nation in the World. Big brother this Orwell guy must have been smoking something. Ignorance is strength everbody knows that’s not true just plain dumb. Oh wheel of fortune just came on the TV got to run.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/an-ally-in-the-white-house/#comment-30701 Don Hawkins Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:18:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4293#comment-30701 With Time Short, Bush Pushes EPA to Relax Power-Plant Rule Monday 27 October 2008 by: Renee Schoof, McClatchy Newspapers President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney at a press conference at the Department of Energy. (Photo: AFP / Getty Images) Washington - At the Bush administration's direction, the Environmental Protection Agency is working on a new rule that would weaken pollution regulations for power plants, allowing them to increase emissions without adding controls. EPA officials have been working on a fast track to meet a Saturday deadline, but many of them are arguing against changing the rule, said former EPA attorney John Walke and an EPA career official who spoke only on the condition of anonymity because the official wasn't authorized to make statements. They said that the EPA was expected to decide in November on another eleventh-hour rule that would allow more power plants to be built near national parks and wilderness areas. Power companies have sought the rule about power plant emissions for many years, and it was part of Vice President Dick Cheney's 2001 energy plan. Rules finalized more than 60 days before the administration leaves office are harder for the next administration to undo. The EPA is under no obligation to reveal internal deliberations, so in many cases the public never knows what objections may have been raised. The White House wouldn't comment on its views about changing the rule, Kristen Hellmer, a spokeswoman for the White House's Council on Environmental Quality, said Monday. Walke charged in a comment to the EPA that the rule would amount to a "parting gift to the utility industry." The rule change applies to old plants that are expanded or upgraded to prolong their lives. The changes can make them more efficient but not as clean as they'd be with modern pollution controls. The emissions bring smog, acid rain and particulates. The Bush administration argues that carbon dioxide, which power plants also emit, shouldn't be regulated under the Clean Air Act. It should rather read ‘no candidate will move further left than their corporate minders demand and elite interests allow’ Now let me add move right or left No no no move into survial mode on this path in just a few more years but how do we stop this kind of thinking, how? With Time Short, Bush Pushes EPA to Relax Power-Plant Rule
Monday 27 October 2008

by: Renee Schoof, McClatchy Newspapers

President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney at a press conference at the Department of Energy. (Photo: AFP / Getty Images)
Washington – At the Bush administration’s direction, the Environmental Protection Agency is working on a new rule that would weaken pollution regulations for power plants, allowing them to increase emissions without adding controls.
EPA officials have been working on a fast track to meet a Saturday deadline, but many of them are arguing against changing the rule, said former EPA attorney John Walke and an EPA career official who spoke only on the condition of anonymity because the official wasn’t authorized to make statements.
They said that the EPA was expected to decide in November on another eleventh-hour rule that would allow more power plants to be built near national parks and wilderness areas.
Power companies have sought the rule about power plant emissions for many years, and it was part of Vice President Dick Cheney’s 2001 energy plan. Rules finalized more than 60 days before the administration leaves office are harder for the next administration to undo.
The EPA is under no obligation to reveal internal deliberations, so in many cases the public never knows what objections may have been raised.

The White House wouldn’t comment on its views about changing the rule, Kristen Hellmer, a spokeswoman for the White House’s Council on Environmental Quality, said Monday.

Walke charged in a comment to the EPA that the rule would amount to a “parting gift to the utility industry.”

The rule change applies to old plants that are expanded or upgraded to prolong their lives. The changes can make them more efficient but not as clean as they’d be with modern pollution controls.

The emissions bring smog, acid rain and particulates. The Bush administration argues that carbon dioxide, which power plants also emit, shouldn’t be regulated under the Clean Air Act.

It should rather read ‘no candidate will move further left than their corporate minders demand and elite interests allow’

Now let me add move right or left No no no move into survial mode on this path in just a few more years but how do we stop this kind of thinking, how?

]]> By: bozhidar bob balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/an-ally-in-the-white-house/#comment-30692 bozhidar bob balkas Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:07:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4293#comment-30692 yes, jonathan it's not public; ie, working people which steers obama ot US. thnx yes, jonathan
it’s not public; ie, working people which steers obama ot US. thnx

]]> By: Giorgio http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/an-ally-in-the-white-house/#comment-30691 Giorgio Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:48:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4293#comment-30691 Ron Paul has repeatedly said that in the past democrat prezs started wars and rep prez had often the task to end them. Would this mulatto with Zionist leniencies and Aryan aspirations be the exception? What a joke! My gut feeling is that, after the elections and the economy worsens, the next prez, whoever puppet dumbass of the two will be, will start a war with Iran using it as a diversion from the economic shambles and whipping up the fear hysteria of Americans, blaming it all on those Islamic "'Worshippers of Death", as arch-Zionist Alan M. Dershowitz calls them, and "before they export their sick and dangerous culture of death to American shores". BOMB! BOMB! BOMB! Thus the outcry and the economic depression blamed squarely on those ISLAMIC DEATH WORSHIPPERS !!! Ron Paul has repeatedly said that in the past democrat prezs started wars and rep prez had often the task to end them. Would this mulatto with Zionist leniencies and Aryan aspirations be the exception? What a joke!
My gut feeling is that, after the elections and the economy worsens, the next prez, whoever puppet dumbass of the two will be, will start a war with Iran using it as a diversion from the economic shambles and whipping up the fear hysteria of Americans, blaming it all on those Islamic “‘Worshippers of Death”, as arch-Zionist Alan M. Dershowitz calls them, and “before they export their sick and dangerous culture of death to American shores”.
BOMB! BOMB! BOMB!
Thus the outcry and the economic depression blamed squarely on those ISLAMIC DEATH WORSHIPPERS !!!

]]> By: Jonathan http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/an-ally-in-the-white-house/#comment-30687 Jonathan Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:38:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4293#comment-30687 One of the statements that enraged me above all is the following. what absolute codswallop. "no candidate will move further left than their base demands and public opinion allows." It should rather read 'no candidate will move further left than their corporate minders demand and elite interests allow' One of the statements that enraged me above all is the following. what absolute codswallop.

“no candidate will move further left than their base demands and public opinion allows.”

It should rather read ‘no candidate will move further left than their corporate minders demand and elite interests allow’

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/an-ally-in-the-white-house/#comment-30683 Don Hawkins Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:57:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4293#comment-30683 Radical idea this redistribution thing no it's talk and more talk. What has really happened the last 6 months not much. Just more debt sign a paper or push a button turn on the press real hard. We need radical change to start to solve or at least slow some very difficult problems. Most people know what is going on and see and hear just weak moves to solve nothing. That includes the people at the top. We need radical moves by people who want to keep the system the same bit of a problem don't you think. It doesn't matter if we use socialism or capitalism or some of each but we have to get started and fast and yes it will take radical thinking to do that. What is going on now is not only boring but just plain stupid weak minded, shocking isn't it. We try or we don't that simple. I guess there is a part where we say we are trying but in reality just more talk and the illusion of competence. How much money did these nine banks get and what are the bonuses being paid. Same old stuff different day. We need a new way of thinking. Radical idea this redistribution thing no it’s talk and more talk. What has really happened the last 6 months not much. Just more debt sign a paper or push a button turn on the press real hard. We need radical change to start to solve or at least slow some very difficult problems. Most people know what is going on and see and hear just weak moves to solve nothing. That includes the people at the top. We need radical moves by people who want to keep the system the same bit of a problem don’t you think. It doesn’t matter if we use socialism or capitalism or some of each but we have to get started and fast and yes it will take radical thinking to do that. What is going on now is not only boring but just plain stupid weak minded, shocking isn’t it. We try or we don’t that simple. I guess there is a part where we say we are trying but in reality just more talk and the illusion of competence. How much money did these nine banks get and what are the bonuses being paid. Same old stuff different day. We need a new way of thinking.

]]> By: steve conn http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/an-ally-in-the-white-house/#comment-30682 steve conn Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:42:06 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4293#comment-30682 Post Election Headlines- Obama Bombs on Single Payer Health Care for All. Insurance Companies Win Obama Bombs Syria and Pakistan- Wider Wars Predicted Obama Bombs on Foreclosures Ban- Corporate Advisers Say Not Enough Money Obama Bombs on Workers’ Rights- Lucky to Have a Job, says Obama. No extension of Unemployment Benefits Obama Bombs on Tax Breaks- Must Pay Off Corporate Debts First Don’t Wait for Obama to Bomb- Vote Ralph Nader 2008 and the Nader Agenda! Post Election Headlines-
Obama Bombs on Single Payer Health Care for All. Insurance Companies Win

Obama Bombs Syria and Pakistan- Wider Wars Predicted

Obama Bombs on Foreclosures Ban- Corporate Advisers Say Not Enough Money

Obama Bombs on Workers’ Rights- Lucky to Have a Job, says Obama. No extension of Unemployment Benefits

Obama Bombs on Tax Breaks- Must Pay Off Corporate Debts First

Don’t Wait for Obama to Bomb- Vote Ralph Nader 2008 and the Nader Agenda!

]]> By: bozhidar bob balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/an-ally-in-the-white-house/#comment-30671 bozhidar bob balkas Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:36:39 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4293#comment-30671 damn the socalled lesser evil and even greater evil. especially in view, that destruction/killings may actually increase whether a dem or rep gets in. u can't split uncle sam in two. obama may or may not mean more money in some pockets if he gets in, but for a few bucks to vote for the oneparty system is bad for the world and working class in US. uncle may give u a few bucks but then export jobs and for each worker pay $5 a day instead paying an amer $8- 20 an hr. military, cia, fbi, police, other agents, advisers, warfare cost a lot. i do not know how much. and i do not know whether supporters for more of that, r donating moneys to uncle from their paychecks. they may cry USA,USA, etc, but r not sending their sons/daughters to war zones or supporting it w. money so that soldiers are better equipped to protect selves or to defeat resistors.. damn the socalled lesser evil and even greater evil. especially in view, that destruction/killings may actually increase whether a dem or rep gets in.
u can’t split uncle sam in two. obama may or may not mean more money in some pockets if he gets in, but for a few bucks to vote for the oneparty system is bad for the world and working class in US.
uncle may give u a few bucks but then export jobs and for each worker pay $5 a day instead paying an amer $8- 20 an hr.
military, cia, fbi, police, other agents, advisers, warfare cost a lot.
i do not know how much.
and i do not know whether supporters for more of that, r donating moneys to uncle from their paychecks.
they may cry USA,USA, etc, but r not sending their sons/daughters to war zones or supporting it w. money so that soldiers are better equipped to protect selves or to defeat resistors..

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