Comments on: A Bright Shining Lie: Dennis Ross And The Run-Up to An Attack On Iran http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:42:51 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: george beres http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-32757 george beres Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:46:34 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-32757 I heard Ross give what he tried to color as a benign talk on Palestine and Israel in an appearance at the University of Oregon in 2006. He was sponsored by Hillel. It could have been a service to the community. Instead it was more Israeli propaganda cloaked in hypcocritical self-descriptions of his prejudiced efforts for peace in the Middle East. Obama needs to be balanced in dealing with the Middle East. That means he must remove such Israeli partisans as Ross. - G. Beres I heard Ross give what he tried to color as a benign talk on Palestine and Israel in an appearance at the University of Oregon in 2006. He was sponsored by Hillel. It could have been a service to the community. Instead it was more Israeli propaganda cloaked in hypcocritical self-descriptions of his prejudiced efforts for peace in the Middle East. Obama needs to be balanced in dealing with the Middle East. That means he must remove such Israeli partisans as Ross. – G. Beres

]]> By: Tbone http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-31753 Tbone Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:49:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-31753 Hey Catman, my גיס , the writer. 15 nanoseconds ? 15 years, more like. Hey Catman,
my גיס , the writer.
15 nanoseconds ?
15 years, more like.

]]> By: Jerry Haber http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-31047 Jerry Haber Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:13:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-31047 For Ross's role in a future Obama administration, read the Magnes Zionist a few days after the election. At the moment my sources won't talk, but I have been promised something later. Ira, you covered the subject pretty thoroughly in your post. Congrats. When I told Rob Malley that I was reading Ross's book and that I thought it pretty biased, he asked me, "When did you come to that conclusion," and I said, "After reading the blurbs on the back jacket." Don't jump to conclusions from Ross's role in the election. Be hopeful; Ross may just be for Jewish consumption (full disclosure to Ira's readers; I am an Israeli Jew). But I have a sinking suspicion he wil be on the Obama foreign policy team...though not necessarily with the Israel or Iran portfolio. For Ross’s role in a future Obama administration, read the Magnes Zionist a few days after the election. At the moment my sources won’t talk, but I have been promised something later.

Ira, you covered the subject pretty thoroughly in your post. Congrats.

When I told Rob Malley that I was reading Ross’s book and that I thought it pretty biased, he asked me, “When did you come to that conclusion,” and I said, “After reading the blurbs on the back jacket.”

Don’t jump to conclusions from Ross’s role in the election. Be hopeful; Ross may just be for Jewish consumption (full disclosure to Ira’s readers; I am an Israeli Jew). But I have a sinking suspicion he wil be on the Obama foreign policy team…though not necessarily with the Israel or Iran portfolio.

]]> By: bozhidar bob balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30520 bozhidar bob balkas Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:57:48 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30520 giorgio, ron paul cld stop the military frenzy. so COULD nader. aah, but for uncle: cia, generals, plutocrats, congress, senate. + at least 50mn rabid a meri goes. nixon's deposal proves w.o. shadow of doubt that he wasn't in charge of US in, was it '75?, but the uncle. and deposed for trivial reasons and not for killing vietnamese and other s.e asians. ron paul is either in denial or semantically blind when he makes such promises. and i evaluate all promises as lies. make no promises and u'l sleep much better. if one does make promises one wld injure one's brain to the degree that he may become another bush. to my wife, i made only one promise. i said to her, If u marry me, u'l have lots of trouble. and she did. thnx giorgio,
ron paul cld stop the military frenzy. so COULD nader. aah, but for uncle: cia, generals, plutocrats, congress, senate.
+ at least 50mn rabid a meri goes.
nixon’s deposal proves w.o. shadow of doubt that he wasn’t in charge of US in, was it ‘75?, but the uncle.
and deposed for trivial reasons and not for killing vietnamese and other s.e asians.
ron paul is either in denial or semantically blind when he makes such promises.
and i evaluate all promises as lies. make no promises and u’l sleep much better.
if one does make promises one wld injure one’s brain to the degree that he may become another bush.
to my wife, i made only one promise. i said to her, If u marry me, u’l have lots of trouble. and she did. thnx

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30364 Hue Longer Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:41:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30364 ? (damn DV, where's that edit function?) ? (damn DV, where’s that edit function?)

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30363 Hue Longer Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:39:35 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30363 Thank Giorgio, I read your response I don't understand why the issue of lack of solidarity is being brought up to defend supporting Paul and not supporting Nader, when Paul isn't even running and has endorsed someone else. You said, ""If the “Progressive Left” is really and honestly hell-bent anti-war every 3rd to 6th article posted here would be espousing the merits of backing to the hilt Ron Paul’s Campaign for LIBERTY"! Is this a cry for us to stop talking Nader for not having McKinney's support and to back Baldwin for having Paul's Thank Giorgio,

I read your response

I don’t understand why the issue of lack of solidarity is being brought up to defend supporting Paul and not supporting Nader, when Paul isn’t even running and has endorsed someone else.

You said, “”If the “Progressive Left” is really and honestly hell-bent anti-war every 3rd to 6th article posted here would be espousing the merits of backing to the hilt Ron Paul’s Campaign for LIBERTY”!

Is this a cry for us to stop talking Nader for not having McKinney’s support and to back Baldwin for having Paul’s

]]> By: bozhidar bob balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30312 bozhidar bob balkas Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:20:28 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30312 yes, many factors/actors point out that israel is just blustering. it is hated by at least 5bn people. more militancy by israel wld further alienate world pop. israel does not even have right to exist let alone have moral/legal base for attacking any land. israel is just an army branch of US. as such it receives money/ arms but israelis must do what amers demand of them: keep the region volatile, kill more pals, take more of their land, etc.thnx yes, many factors/actors point out that israel is just blustering. it is hated by at least 5bn people. more militancy by israel wld further alienate world pop.
israel does not even have right to exist let alone have moral/legal base for attacking any land.
israel is just an army branch of US. as such it receives money/ arms but israelis must do what amers demand of them: keep the region volatile, kill more pals, take more of their land, etc.thnx

]]> By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30303 Michael Kenny Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:36:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30303 Beware of Israeli propaganda! If Israel ever does attack Iran before the US collpases and leaves them high and dry, it will not announce it in advance! The Israelis have very cleverly exploited the gullibility for which Americans are renowned to keep the pot simmering on Iran, in the hope, I would guess, that Iranians will panic and do something stupid which will put them in the wrong. After several thousand years of successfully playing international power politics, I doubt if that will happen but the fact that the Israelis are trying even this particular ploy shows just how desperate their situation is. Beware of Israeli propaganda! If Israel ever does attack Iran before the US collpases and leaves them high and dry, it will not announce it in advance! The Israelis have very cleverly exploited the gullibility for which Americans are renowned to keep the pot simmering on Iran, in the hope, I would guess, that Iranians will panic and do something stupid which will put them in the wrong. After several thousand years of successfully playing international power politics, I doubt if that will happen but the fact that the Israelis are trying even this particular ploy shows just how desperate their situation is.

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30268 Donald Hawkins Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:54:13 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30268 Now it begins and the fear, greed and stupidity will be trying to make a comback. Probably not a good idea. Think of this as kind of a war and remember "You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. Use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. " Now it begins and the fear, greed and stupidity will be trying to make a comback. Probably not a good idea. Think of this as kind of a war and remember “You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. Use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. “

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30258 Max Shields Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:40:14 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30258 You've conflated the so-called left with Zionism. Right NOW this country and just about every non-wacko uber-right winger is shutting down its critical thinking and pulling the lever for Obama (at least that's their plan if they haven't already). With that little "vote" they get the package of Ross, Rubin, Summers, and essentially the whole Clinton foreign advior clan (these guys work for both sides). They are the neocon lites who will join forces with the neoliberal doctrinaires. Even the so-called liberal Klugman has become a believer (the Noble prize has left him totally giddy). Paulson's ok, Obama may be a little slow to move, but all in all we're on our way, business as usual. It is the complete an utter immaturity that will end the charade. Zionism? Sure, but look at all the choices, the decision made each step of the way, the full steam ahead into the wasteland that is Amerika. Ross is a symtom. As Ira indicates, he's a total failure, as were the doctrines of Clinton/Rubin/Summers that pushed us into the abyss. And yet, here they are again, like a bad dream. Where does Obama go to get change? He goes to Clinton/Reagan. The excuses can be a plenty. He can't do this or that. It doesn't really matter what Obama can and cannot do. We're stuck with it! Stop blaming the "left". Sure, I agree that we have "progressives" who are voting for Obama if not outright supporting him. All falling in line with the fear of a McCain win. The irony: it's the same fu#ckn instincts that get us into one war after another. Fear of this and that. Does anyone listen to Obama? Convinced that McCain is a boogeyman, and our choices are limited by the system, behind the "curtain" they vote for the OTHER. And what is the message Obama, et al receive: we support you and your big stick, and invasion into Pakistan and the good war in Afghanistan. There will be silence. The corporate elite will have once again gotten their "man" into office. The only thing that changes this picture is a global collapse. It's apparent that the "developed" (including China and India) are so tightly bound to the empire that they will not let go of the drowning "man" and must sink as well. Barring that the planet will sufficate us and spit us out of its system like a gall stone. You’ve conflated the so-called left with Zionism.

Right NOW this country and just about every non-wacko uber-right winger is shutting down its critical thinking and pulling the lever for Obama (at least that’s their plan if they haven’t already).

With that little “vote” they get the package of Ross, Rubin, Summers, and essentially the whole Clinton foreign advior clan (these guys work for both sides). They are the neocon lites who will join forces with the neoliberal doctrinaires. Even the so-called liberal Klugman has become a believer (the Noble prize has left him totally giddy). Paulson’s ok, Obama may be a little slow to move, but all in all we’re on our way, business as usual.

It is the complete an utter immaturity that will end the charade. Zionism? Sure, but look at all the choices, the decision made each step of the way, the full steam ahead into the wasteland that is Amerika.

Ross is a symtom. As Ira indicates, he’s a total failure, as were the doctrines of Clinton/Rubin/Summers that pushed us into the abyss. And yet, here they are again, like a bad dream. Where does Obama go to get change? He goes to Clinton/Reagan. The excuses can be a plenty. He can’t do this or that. It doesn’t really matter what Obama can and cannot do. We’re stuck with it!

Stop blaming the “left”. Sure, I agree that we have “progressives” who are voting for Obama if not outright supporting him. All falling in line with the fear of a McCain win. The irony: it’s the same fu#ckn instincts that get us into one war after another. Fear of this and that. Does anyone listen to Obama? Convinced that McCain is a boogeyman, and our choices are limited by the system, behind the “curtain” they vote for the OTHER.

And what is the message Obama, et al receive: we support you and your big stick, and invasion into Pakistan and the good war in Afghanistan. There will be silence. The corporate elite will have once again gotten their “man” into office.

The only thing that changes this picture is a global collapse. It’s apparent that the “developed” (including China and India) are so tightly bound to the empire that they will not let go of the drowning “man” and must sink as well.

Barring that the planet will sufficate us and spit us out of its system like a gall stone.

]]> By: Giorgio http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30257 Giorgio Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:39:02 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30257 Right, you HIT it on the nail, Deadbeat! They so POOPED SCARED of being branded ANTI-YouKnowWho! that they go into DENIAL and fail to see that this cuckoo has its chicks firmly in the sparrow's nest, while the poor sparrow goes on frantically feeding them thinking, stupidly, they are her own.... Right, you HIT it on the nail, Deadbeat!
They so POOPED SCARED of being branded ANTI-YouKnowWho! that they go into DENIAL and fail to see that this cuckoo has its chicks firmly in the sparrow’s nest, while the poor sparrow goes on frantically feeding them thinking, stupidly, they are her own….

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30256 Deadbeat Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:08:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30256 Max opines ... <i>Deadbeat, for you: If/when Obama/McCain take office and bomb the shit out of Iran - it will really be the American left who made them do it. Right Deadbeat?</i> No Max it will be all YOUR fault for failing to confront Zionism and using ALL your rhetorical energies to camouflage and obscure its disproportionate influence upon U.S. foreign policy. Max opines …
Deadbeat, for you: If/when Obama/McCain take office and bomb the shit out of Iran – it will really be the American left who made them do it. Right Deadbeat?

No Max it will be all YOUR fault for failing to confront Zionism and using ALL your rhetorical energies to camouflage and obscure its disproportionate influence upon U.S. foreign policy.

]]> By: Giorgio http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30255 Giorgio Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:38:36 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30255 Hue, I did respond to u a while ago and is in the comments under the article "Hitler Endorses Obama" where the original query was raised. I think it answers what you just posted, too. Hue,
I did respond to u a while ago and is in the comments under the article “Hitler Endorses Obama” where the original query was raised. I think it answers what you just posted, too.

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30249 Hue Longer Fri, 24 Oct 2008 05:08:16 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30249 Giorgio, Most progressives will tell you that the problem with Paul is his Libertarian ideologies and his quiet nod to the masses of racist xenophobes supporting him. Other than that, I'm sure most admire his no war stance and love for the constitution. But why get on his wagon as opposed to Nader's? I've asked you before, but you didn't respond. Thanks Giorgio,

Most progressives will tell you that the problem with Paul is his Libertarian ideologies and his quiet nod to the masses of racist xenophobes supporting him. Other than that, I’m sure most admire his no war stance and love for the constitution. But why get on his wagon as opposed to Nader’s?

I’ve asked you before, but you didn’t respond. Thanks

]]> By: Giorgio http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30244 Giorgio Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:38:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30244 VIVA GLOBAL SOCIALISM! HOLY MOSES! Can you imagine this global village of ours having to contend with morphs the likes of J Stalin and A Sharon...the Hitlers would be a godsend by comparison... and don't underestimate them, the Zionists with 5679+ years of history behind them ( compared to USA's piddle 200+ years) are a force to be taken seriously... Patrick Grimm, the arch anti-Zionist, has just had his blog suspended and this is the second time it happens to him within a few months... SO BIG BROTHER IS ALREADY WATCHING YOU !!! As for that DavidG blog , OK! Pardon this monkey's ignorance.... I had a look and liked it, especially that Million Dollar question: WHAT WOULD JESUS DO? Well, there is a 65 page book in the Self-Publishing site www.lulu.com entitled '"THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST" which, interestingly, answers in a funny way the above question. It has a free preview to whet one's appetite... VIVA GLOBAL SOCIALISM!
HOLY MOSES! Can you imagine this global village of ours having to contend with morphs the likes of J Stalin and A Sharon…the Hitlers would be a godsend by comparison… and don’t underestimate them, the Zionists with 5679+ years of history behind them ( compared to USA’s piddle 200+ years) are a force to be taken seriously…
Patrick Grimm, the arch anti-Zionist, has just had his blog suspended and this is the second time it happens to him within a few months…
SO BIG BROTHER IS ALREADY WATCHING YOU !!!

As for that DavidG blog , OK! Pardon this monkey’s ignorance….
I had a look and liked it, especially that Million Dollar question:
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?

Well, there is a 65 page book in the Self-Publishing site http://www.lulu.com
entitled ‘”THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST” which, interestingly, answers in a funny way the above question. It has a free preview to whet one’s appetite…

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30240 Max Shields Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:38:30 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30240 Mary, You are absolutely right. We have much to be concerned about with this empire gone made. There is no spot on the planet that is not for US imperialism destruction. Ross's "strong sticks and strong carrots", that's American imperialistic diplomacy at its finest. Deadbeat, for you: If/when Obama/McCain take office and bomb the shit out of Iran - it will really be the American left who made them do it. Right Deadbeat? Mary,

You are absolutely right. We have much to be concerned about with this empire gone made. There is no spot on the planet that is not for US imperialism destruction. Ross’s “strong sticks and strong carrots”, that’s American imperialistic diplomacy at its finest.

Deadbeat, for you: If/when Obama/McCain take office and bomb the shit out of Iran – it will really be the American left who made them do it. Right Deadbeat?

]]> By: DavidG. http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30237 DavidG. Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:43:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30237 I thought everyone on Dissident Voice knew the ropes! Sorry! Top marks to Donald. Brad, I think you're right! And it may happen before George folds his tent and hopefully disappears forever. As if we haven't got enough to contend with already! P.S. My previous comment loaded twice. Don't know why. I thought everyone on Dissident Voice knew the ropes! Sorry! Top marks to Donald.

Brad, I think you’re right! And it may happen before George folds his tent and hopefully disappears forever. As if we haven’t got enough to contend with already!

P.S. My previous comment loaded twice. Don’t know why.

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30232 Donald Hawkins Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:20:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30232 Click on DavidG it was my first thought. Click on DavidG it was my first thought.

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30228 Danny Ray Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:00:17 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30228 14 million Blogs out there and you want us to look at your? This hurts, but I have to agree with Giorgio where is it? 14 million Blogs out there and you want us to look at your? This hurts, but I have to agree with Giorgio where is it?

]]> By: Luke. http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/10/a-bright-shining-lie-dennis-ross-and-the-run-up-to-an-attack-on-iran/#comment-30226 Luke. Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:32:38 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=4156#comment-30226 It is an strategy deeply rooted in the economic system itself. Since the majority of the Finance-Capitalists are Zionist, so the imperialism's agenda is conformed with the Zionist agenda. This article will help more: http://democracyandsocialism.com/Articles/VivaGlobalSocialism.html It is an strategy deeply rooted in the economic system itself. Since the majority of the Finance-Capitalists are Zionist, so the imperialism’s agenda is conformed with the Zionist agenda. This article will help more:
http://democracyandsocialism.com/Articles/VivaGlobalSocialism.html

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