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		<title>By: Lijandra</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/not-one-dime-for-georgia/#comment-27996</link>
		<dc:creator>Lijandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, thank you for your reply.  I would really like to know how Mikheil Saakashvili came to the decision to attack South Ossetia.  Putin suggested that US told him to.  I wonder what really went on there.  Maybe he was urged to stabilize the situation so that the oil pipeline could function.  Maybe he was led to believe that US would do more than it did.  Sure it sounds crazy, but we can&#039;t know for sure.

I agree that regular people suffer the most when stuff like this happens.  Yet I refuse to believe that Russia is looking out for the interests of those people.  As you said, they are just using that as a pretext for their own agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, thank you for your reply.  I would really like to know how Mikheil Saakashvili came to the decision to attack South Ossetia.  Putin suggested that US told him to.  I wonder what really went on there.  Maybe he was urged to stabilize the situation so that the oil pipeline could function.  Maybe he was led to believe that US would do more than it did.  Sure it sounds crazy, but we can&#8217;t know for sure.</p>
<p>I agree that regular people suffer the most when stuff like this happens.  Yet I refuse to believe that Russia is looking out for the interests of those people.  As you said, they are just using that as a pretext for their own agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lijandra , Noting the incredible ineptness of Georgia&#039;s leader  does not translate into whitewashing South Ossetia  and certainly not Russia.  In fact, the article pointed out that the rash behavior, irrational  it appears, of Saakashvili  was the &#039;gift&#039; that the Russians kept on taking with their long good bye.   

Who on earth would provoke a major power by attacking in the way that Georgia did?  Someone who is not serious about the national security of his country.  

South Ossetia is a very poor region that relies on smuggling to a large degree.  &quot;The main reasons for smuggling in these regions are institutional weakness and corruption in law enforcement bodies, and the absence of initiative among previous leaders of the supreme executive branch of the Government of Georgia.&quot;    South Ossetia - Recent Developments (www.globalsecurity.org).  The article goes on to point out there there are those in South Ossetia, Georgia, and Russia who benefit  from these activities.

Nevertheless, that&#039;s no excuse to attack their  capitol and kill and injure many, as the Georgian leader commanded.  The Georgian people aren&#039;t &quot;crazy,&quot; their leader is rash and out of control.  

Your statement about the entire South Ossetia government being from somewhere else is not accurate.  Some are, maybe to take advantage of the smuggling rake off, but not all.    

The situation was languishing, somehow a major conflict had been avoided, then there was the totally amazing and outrageous attack by a nation of 4.5 million against one of 170 million. 

As for selfish interests, there are plenty to go around.  It&#039;s the people negotiating the hazards of everyday life who suffer, in this episode, the citizens of South Ossetia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lijandra , Noting the incredible ineptness of Georgia&#8217;s leader  does not translate into whitewashing South Ossetia  and certainly not Russia.  In fact, the article pointed out that the rash behavior, irrational  it appears, of Saakashvili  was the &#8216;gift&#8217; that the Russians kept on taking with their long good bye.   </p>
<p>Who on earth would provoke a major power by attacking in the way that Georgia did?  Someone who is not serious about the national security of his country.  </p>
<p>South Ossetia is a very poor region that relies on smuggling to a large degree.  &#8220;The main reasons for smuggling in these regions are institutional weakness and corruption in law enforcement bodies, and the absence of initiative among previous leaders of the supreme executive branch of the Government of Georgia.&#8221;    South Ossetia &#8211; Recent Developments (www.globalsecurity.org).  The article goes on to point out there there are those in South Ossetia, Georgia, and Russia who benefit  from these activities.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, that&#8217;s no excuse to attack their  capitol and kill and injure many, as the Georgian leader commanded.  The Georgian people aren&#8217;t &#8220;crazy,&#8221; their leader is rash and out of control.  </p>
<p>Your statement about the entire South Ossetia government being from somewhere else is not accurate.  Some are, maybe to take advantage of the smuggling rake off, but not all.    </p>
<p>The situation was languishing, somehow a major conflict had been avoided, then there was the totally amazing and outrageous attack by a nation of 4.5 million against one of 170 million. </p>
<p>As for selfish interests, there are plenty to go around.  It&#8217;s the people negotiating the hazards of everyday life who suffer, in this episode, the citizens of South Ossetia.</p>
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		<title>By: Lijandra</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/not-one-dime-for-georgia/#comment-27987</link>
		<dc:creator>Lijandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see very sympathetic comments to Russia here.  The thing is that the Russians are no saints.  It seems that North Ossetia an Abkhasia have been egged on by Russians to cause instability in Georgia for a long time now.  They&#039;ve given out Russian passports to them, etc.  None of the people in so called government of South Ossetia have been born there.  In fact, they all have had high posts in Russian military or the former KGB.  Doesn&#039;t that seem fishy?  Can anyone here see how it would drive Georgians crazy?  There are also claims of ethnic cleansing of Georgians in those regions, making them abandon their homes and move to Georgia proper.  

Most former Soviet Republics (including my native Lithuania) fear Russia and hate it with passion.  They&#039;ll do anything to get away from Russian bullying.  And yes, that might lead them into the open arms of US, which has its own selfish motives.  Such is life, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see very sympathetic comments to Russia here.  The thing is that the Russians are no saints.  It seems that North Ossetia an Abkhasia have been egged on by Russians to cause instability in Georgia for a long time now.  They&#8217;ve given out Russian passports to them, etc.  None of the people in so called government of South Ossetia have been born there.  In fact, they all have had high posts in Russian military or the former KGB.  Doesn&#8217;t that seem fishy?  Can anyone here see how it would drive Georgians crazy?  There are also claims of ethnic cleansing of Georgians in those regions, making them abandon their homes and move to Georgia proper.  </p>
<p>Most former Soviet Republics (including my native Lithuania) fear Russia and hate it with passion.  They&#8217;ll do anything to get away from Russian bullying.  And yes, that might lead them into the open arms of US, which has its own selfish motives.  Such is life, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bozhidar, I couldn&#039;t agree  more on the Chechnyans.  That was and is dreadful and created quite a &quot;blowback,&quot; as Chalmers Johnson would say.  This time they were better.  But blowing the whistle loudly, no t just about the attacks on their personnel but also the whole oil scam would have done wonders.  At the same time, they felt compelled to move in to protect their folks and that made conflict inevitable.  They took their sweet time leaving, which is where people object (and I agree).

As for the sequence of independence declarations, Georgia was one of the first.   They followed the Baltic states and preceded the rest (13 or so).



&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/5kvu38&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Russian Republics&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bozhidar, I couldn&#8217;t agree  more on the Chechnyans.  That was and is dreadful and created quite a &#8220;blowback,&#8221; as Chalmers Johnson would say.  This time they were better.  But blowing the whistle loudly, no t just about the attacks on their personnel but also the whole oil scam would have done wonders.  At the same time, they felt compelled to move in to protect their folks and that made conflict inevitable.  They took their sweet time leaving, which is where people object (and I agree).</p>
<p>As for the sequence of independence declarations, Georgia was one of the first.   They followed the Baltic states and preceded the rest (13 or so).</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/5kvu38" rel="nofollow">Russian Republics</a></p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar  bob  balkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozhidar  bob  balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>michael collins,
russian response to georgian aggression was understandable. i do sympathize with russia.
russia is doing a noble thing to defend s.ossetia and abkhazia.
i was very unhappy with russian treatment of chechnyans. i am a strong socialist and egalitarian but not in an utopian way.
i&#039;d sooner vote for communist party that the Conservatives and Liberals. thank u for ur comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michael collins,<br />
russian response to georgian aggression was understandable. i do sympathize with russia.<br />
russia is doing a noble thing to defend s.ossetia and abkhazia.<br />
i was very unhappy with russian treatment of chechnyans. i am a strong socialist and egalitarian but not in an utopian way.<br />
i&#8217;d sooner vote for communist party that the Conservatives and Liberals. thank u for ur comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Brian.  There should be accountability here, e.g., the Bugliosi plan, and internationally.  The more I think about this, Georgia&#039;s actions make no sense. 

For example, billions have been spent on this EU-US oil pipeline with Georgia as a key link in a pipeline. Then the guy Bush-Cheney  puts in charge in Georgia goes off and attacks Russian personnel, giving them an excuse do as they chose, at least for a while.   Now the energy analysts are saying the US-European backed pipeline is a loser. All because they couldn&#039;t control their hand picked president.

Georgian Conflict Obliges Export Route Reality Check
21 Aug 2008 12:32 PM

Excerpt from Caspian Investor by Dr. Kent Moors, Contributing Editor
http://tinyurl.com/5drpde 

&quot;Within days of military action commencing, all oil pipelines and seaport terminal export facilities closed in Georgia. The separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia remain resolved to leave Georgia guaranteeing ongoing domestic unrest. That means threats of pipeline and port closures will continue, substantially increasing the risk equation in moving hydrocarbons out of the Caspian basin. The vulnerability of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC), Baku-Supsa and Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum pipelines, as well as the ports of Batumi, Poti and Kulevi, will certainly prompt a serious reappraisal of export security. Snip

&quot;BTC had been the one major accomplishment of Washington and Brussels, a primary export venue from the rapidly developing Caspian basin beyond the touch of Moscow. Apparently, that is not the case any longer. The argument that Moscow’s intent all along was to put pressure on the BTC through this military exercise has nothing substantive behind it. In the end, however, that makes little difference. The military rationale for the incursion is not the issue here. Events have accomplished Moscow’s &quot;energy full court press,&quot; as one observer put it to us.&quot;

bozhidar, I agree with you.  The response here should have been to raise holy Hell with the international organizations.  The Russian case was very strong, truly.  But they couldn&#039;t resist the impulse to do what they do.  Now the entire human rights issue is clouded and big power politics take over.    Once again, the people and their lives are discarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Brian.  There should be accountability here, e.g., the Bugliosi plan, and internationally.  The more I think about this, Georgia&#8217;s actions make no sense. </p>
<p>For example, billions have been spent on this EU-US oil pipeline with Georgia as a key link in a pipeline. Then the guy Bush-Cheney  puts in charge in Georgia goes off and attacks Russian personnel, giving them an excuse do as they chose, at least for a while.   Now the energy analysts are saying the US-European backed pipeline is a loser. All because they couldn&#8217;t control their hand picked president.</p>
<p>Georgian Conflict Obliges Export Route Reality Check<br />
21 Aug 2008 12:32 PM</p>
<p>Excerpt from Caspian Investor by Dr. Kent Moors, Contributing Editor<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/5drpde" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5drpde</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;Within days of military action commencing, all oil pipelines and seaport terminal export facilities closed in Georgia. The separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia remain resolved to leave Georgia guaranteeing ongoing domestic unrest. That means threats of pipeline and port closures will continue, substantially increasing the risk equation in moving hydrocarbons out of the Caspian basin. The vulnerability of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC), Baku-Supsa and Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum pipelines, as well as the ports of Batumi, Poti and Kulevi, will certainly prompt a serious reappraisal of export security. Snip</p>
<p>&#8220;BTC had been the one major accomplishment of Washington and Brussels, a primary export venue from the rapidly developing Caspian basin beyond the touch of Moscow. Apparently, that is not the case any longer. The argument that Moscow’s intent all along was to put pressure on the BTC through this military exercise has nothing substantive behind it. In the end, however, that makes little difference. The military rationale for the incursion is not the issue here. Events have accomplished Moscow’s &#8220;energy full court press,&#8221; as one observer put it to us.&#8221;</p>
<p>bozhidar, I agree with you.  The response here should have been to raise holy Hell with the international organizations.  The Russian case was very strong, truly.  But they couldn&#8217;t resist the impulse to do what they do.  Now the entire human rights issue is clouded and big power politics take over.    Once again, the people and their lives are discarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article.  Only Bush and McSame would REWARD SOME ONE FOR MASS MURDER!

I agree it is refreshing to read the truth for a change.

Bush and &quot;sack of free money&quot;, the president of Georgia, are one in the same.  They sacrifice human life for their personal gains.  Innocent life, all of which had a brother, mother, father,son or daughter who grieves their death and will for evermore hate the United States--and dare I say it who can blame them?

Both Bush/Cheney and the Georgian president should face war crimes trial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article.  Only Bush and McSame would REWARD SOME ONE FOR MASS MURDER!</p>
<p>I agree it is refreshing to read the truth for a change.</p>
<p>Bush and &#8220;sack of free money&#8221;, the president of Georgia, are one in the same.  They sacrifice human life for their personal gains.  Innocent life, all of which had a brother, mother, father,son or daughter who grieves their death and will for evermore hate the United States&#8211;and dare I say it who can blame them?</p>
<p>Both Bush/Cheney and the Georgian president should face war crimes trial.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar  bob  balkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozhidar  bob  balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>michael collins,
as  a  peace activist i&#039; m unhappy that russia after georgian troops left or were driven out of s. ossetia had not done what was legally and morally correct.
the correct thing to do wld have been is not to invade georgia.
instead, ICC should have even before georgian withdrawal from abkhazia and s. ossetia indicted saak, yakub, et al (shvilis) for crimes against humanity.
needless o say, nato wld have fits over that and in all probability prevented ICC to do its work.
but the moral victory for oppressed peoples like pals afghans, iraqis, ossetians wld have reveberated for all time.
it had been a golden opportunity to show how its shld have been done regardless of  any gains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michael collins,<br />
as  a  peace activist i&#8217; m unhappy that russia after georgian troops left or were driven out of s. ossetia had not done what was legally and morally correct.<br />
the correct thing to do wld have been is not to invade georgia.<br />
instead, ICC should have even before georgian withdrawal from abkhazia and s. ossetia indicted saak, yakub, et al (shvilis) for crimes against humanity.<br />
needless o say, nato wld have fits over that and in all probability prevented ICC to do its work.<br />
but the moral victory for oppressed peoples like pals afghans, iraqis, ossetians wld have reveberated for all time.<br />
it had been a golden opportunity to show how its shld have been done regardless of  any gains.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>colleen, That&#039;s the fact.  They just pull this stuff out of their ears and it&#039;s for domestic consumption.

Here&#039;s a perfect comment from a reply to this same article at OpEdNews

&quot;We were in Spain when the news broke - on CNN Europe - that S. Ossetia had been attacked by Georgia, which the separtist area had ticked off by leaning toward an alliance with Russia.  It surprised no one that Russia had sent troops to protect its friends and teach the bellicose Georgia president and his big money friends in the White House to back off.

So you can imagine our surprise when we arrived back in the U.S. and learned from CNN-U.S. that Russia had been the aggressor!  Its no wonder that Vladimir Putin treats the U.S. with such disdain.  Its an attitude that he&#039;s been perfecting for some  time.

Arriving back in the U.S. and hearing the media&#039;s, and therefore Washington&#039;s, spin on events in Georgia was like walking through the Looking Glass.&quot;

There&#039;s the news and the &quot;News&quot; - we get the latter here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>colleen, That&#8217;s the fact.  They just pull this stuff out of their ears and it&#8217;s for domestic consumption.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a perfect comment from a reply to this same article at OpEdNews</p>
<p>&#8220;We were in Spain when the news broke &#8211; on CNN Europe &#8211; that S. Ossetia had been attacked by Georgia, which the separtist area had ticked off by leaning toward an alliance with Russia.  It surprised no one that Russia had sent troops to protect its friends and teach the bellicose Georgia president and his big money friends in the White House to back off.</p>
<p>So you can imagine our surprise when we arrived back in the U.S. and learned from CNN-U.S. that Russia had been the aggressor!  Its no wonder that Vladimir Putin treats the U.S. with such disdain.  Its an attitude that he&#8217;s been perfecting for some  time.</p>
<p>Arriving back in the U.S. and hearing the media&#8217;s, and therefore Washington&#8217;s, spin on events in Georgia was like walking through the Looking Glass.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s the news and the &#8220;News&#8221; &#8211; we get the latter here.</p>
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		<title>By: colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great, great article.

saakashvili and cheney have tried to rewrite history right in front of our eyes.

both are pathological liars and psychopaths and they must be called out on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great, great article.</p>
<p>saakashvili and cheney have tried to rewrite history right in front of our eyes.</p>
<p>both are pathological liars and psychopaths and they must be called out on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, point taken.    The charges of election fraud should be heard and take seriously, as should any in a serious democracy.  Of course, in this country, you&#039;re labeled a &#039;conspiracy theorist&#039; and dismissed if you make those charges (except by the 40%-50% of the public, different polls, who doubt the legitimacy of the 2004 election). 

David, thanks.  Isn&#039;t it odd that we&#039;re about the only place on earth that thinks that Russia started the military conflict.  I&#039;m sure there are historical debates that would consume endless space on what the &quot;real&quot; cause of all this is.  But in terms of what sparked the Russian response, it&#039;s clear.  The grandiose pronouncements of Saakashvili about restoring &quot;constitutional order&quot; were quickly followed up with &#039;I surrender.&#039;   Of course, once in, Russia did as they chose.  Dividing the country was one way of sending a message.  

It&#039;s disappointing that there is all this nonsense going on between the United States and Russia.  Why the rush to hostility on our part?  

The idea that this nation with a president like this could be a NATO member is also unsettling.  It&#039;s simply unacceptable to have Georgia in a position to engage us in a military conflict with the Soviet Union.  But in a political system in which Sarah Palin can get the #2  spot on the Republican ticket, who knows what will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, point taken.    The charges of election fraud should be heard and take seriously, as should any in a serious democracy.  Of course, in this country, you&#8217;re labeled a &#8216;conspiracy theorist&#8217; and dismissed if you make those charges (except by the 40%-50% of the public, different polls, who doubt the legitimacy of the 2004 election). </p>
<p>David, thanks.  Isn&#8217;t it odd that we&#8217;re about the only place on earth that thinks that Russia started the military conflict.  I&#8217;m sure there are historical debates that would consume endless space on what the &#8220;real&#8221; cause of all this is.  But in terms of what sparked the Russian response, it&#8217;s clear.  The grandiose pronouncements of Saakashvili about restoring &#8220;constitutional order&#8221; were quickly followed up with &#8216;I surrender.&#8217;   Of course, once in, Russia did as they chose.  Dividing the country was one way of sending a message.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s disappointing that there is all this nonsense going on between the United States and Russia.  Why the rush to hostility on our part?  </p>
<p>The idea that this nation with a president like this could be a NATO member is also unsettling.  It&#8217;s simply unacceptable to have Georgia in a position to engage us in a military conflict with the Soviet Union.  But in a political system in which Sarah Palin can get the #2  spot on the Republican ticket, who knows what will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great overview! With so many sources pushing disinformation, it is important to have the facts laid out clearly. 

Hearing bullshit like &quot;We are all Georgians&quot; is painful, but the news of our gift of a billion dollars is exasperating.

Thanks for the good article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great overview! With so many sources pushing disinformation, it is important to have the facts laid out clearly. </p>
<p>Hearing bullshit like &#8220;We are all Georgians&#8221; is painful, but the news of our gift of a billion dollars is exasperating.</p>
<p>Thanks for the good article.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/not-one-dime-for-georgia/#comment-27818</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Small point of constitutional law: precisely because the Soviet Union was &quot;dissolved&quot;, all 15 former Soviet republics automatically became independent, without there being any need for a formal declaration, although some had already declared their independence before the collapse of the Soviet Union. All 15 republics therefore became &quot;successfully&quot; independent. I don&#039;t really understand Mr Collins&#039;s odd formulation.

A point on electoral fraud. Georgia is one of the 43 member states of the Council of Europe, the &quot;club&quot; of European democracies, which was the body that blew the whistle on the rendition flights. If there has been electoral fraud, that will be contrary to the European Convention of Human Rights and will find itself in due course before the European Court of Human Rights. The fear of being condemned in Strasbourg might well ultimately push Saakashvili to resign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small point of constitutional law: precisely because the Soviet Union was &#8220;dissolved&#8221;, all 15 former Soviet republics automatically became independent, without there being any need for a formal declaration, although some had already declared their independence before the collapse of the Soviet Union. All 15 republics therefore became &#8220;successfully&#8221; independent. I don&#8217;t really understand Mr Collins&#8217;s odd formulation.</p>
<p>A point on electoral fraud. Georgia is one of the 43 member states of the Council of Europe, the &#8220;club&#8221; of European democracies, which was the body that blew the whistle on the rendition flights. If there has been electoral fraud, that will be contrary to the European Convention of Human Rights and will find itself in due course before the European Court of Human Rights. The fear of being condemned in Strasbourg might well ultimately push Saakashvili to resign.</p>
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