It’s not history that you need to get a grip on Max. It is your desire to conceal the racist ideology of Zionism. You and Chomsky are two peas in a pod.

As I said, mindless chatter there Deadbeat.

Yeah Max the reason why the U.S. is at war in the Middle East is to take Gulf of Mexico.

This war most likely came as a result of collusion between Israel and Russia to satisfy each other strategic needs, by sacrificing Georgia and its naive ‘leader’ Saakashvili. They know the US is not in a position to start a war with Russia over tiny Georgia. Having so many Zionist leader in major Western capitals, they are confident that finally the Georgian ‘crisis’ will end with a victory for both Russia and Israel dumping Saakashvili for another ‘leader’ who is acceptable to both Russia and the west. In return Russia will CONTINUE its cooperation with the west against Iran to strengthen Israel position against both Arab and Iranians. Russia like Israel wants a weak Iran and does not want Iran to have an enrichment program which is Iran’s LEGAL RIGHT according to NPT in which Iran is a signatory and ISRAEL IN NOT. Due to Zionist war which has strengthen Russian position against the United States, Russia can demand better concession from the United States for her cooperation on Iran which is her own policy since in Russia the Zionists are not in the driving seat yet despite the fact that Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian president is from Jewish descent. As you have noticed, Russia never mentions ISRAEL by name in her complain against Georgia but only the United States, which did not have an interest to wage a war against Russia, and Patrick Buchanan called those who are responsible for this pro Zionist policy ‘traitors.’
According to Spiegel Online International on war in the Caucasus:

“[T]he mood is shifting against Georgian President Saakashvili. Some Western intelligence reports have undermined Tbilisi’s version of events, and there are now calls on both sides of the Atlantic for an independent investigation.”
One thing is already clear to the officers at NATO headquarters in Brussels: They thought that the Georgians had started the conflict and that their actions were more calculated than pure self-defense or a response to Russian provocation. The NATO experts did not question the Georgian claim that the Russians had provoked them by sending their troops through the Roki Tunnel. But their evaluation of the facts was dominated by skepticism that these were the true reasons for Saakashvili’s actions. Saakashvili, a dictator and naïve ruler of Tbilisi, is following the shift in opinions in the West with growing unease. He is no longer confident in his allies’ support and this case could even be used to threaten him with referral of his case to the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague to either silence him or sacrifice him for his trust in Zionist advisors.

All the silly arguments [Max Shields] raises have been refuted with documentation ad infinitum not only by Dr Petras but also by Grant Smith, the Christisons, Jeff Blankfort and many others including Walt & Mearsheimer.

EXACTLY.

That’s “DanE” – Max – not “Dane”.

:-)

All the silly arguments he raises have been refuted with documentation ad infinitum not only by Dr Petras but also by Grant Smith, the Christisons, Jeff Blankfort and many others including Walt & Mearsheimer.

But why should the reader believe me? I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, but if you’re at all uncertain about Max & his nonsense, why not check out the 12part analysis published here on DV by Co-editor Kim Peterson and his colleague a few months ago?

Or maybe just take note that everybody from Obama to the NYT talks about Big Oil like a dog these days, but nobody says shit about Big Jewry. Nobody but Petras, Kim, Deadbeat & a few others. Look at the trouble that flaming radical Jimmy Carter got into for noticing Apartheid in the 1967-conquered Occupied Territories: first time a former Dem Pty Pres of the US has been prevented from addressing the Dem Pty convention. Hehe, guess he must have offended Big Oil, right?

Those bent on seeing the centuries old imperialism of America as a Zionist creation always begin to look at the economic cost/benefits and say how else could the elite brain trust of America be so foolish as to deplete its coffers for an adventure in the Middle East if not for some reason other than imperialism (what about Vietnam, for starters)? Ah, zionism, comes the ready made reply.

Preditory corporate capitalism is not a purely rational creature. Also, it does not always play the “sure thing” card. In other words, no one likes to lose but lose from time we do. Remember the concentration of wealth continues to flow in the same direction, DB – many, many have become billionaires on this uneconomic war in the ME.

My argument to Petras and those who follow his line of argument, is that imperialism is not and has never been a purely rational “mind-set”, in fact, within it, allowed to grow and fester as it has in the Western/US brand, it is quite pathological. Pathological behavior defies cost/benefit analysis. Again the rationle is you win some, you lose some. But empires, historically, have been consistent in over-reach and self-created demise. The “seeds of destruction” lie within imperialism itself.

Deadbeat, when I present this historical (rather than your ahistorical) argument, the response (more specifically, yours) is that I’m obscuring the real cause – zionism. That kind of pseudo-argument is a non­sequetor and begs the real question of logic. It’s a form of mindless name-calling.

By pursuing the Israeli-US Zionist agenda of sequential wars and sanctions against oil-rich Muslim countries, Washington has lost access, control and profits to global economic competitors in a strategic region.

This is why the term “imperialism” is meaningless when applied to the Iraq occupation. I’ve never seen an “Imperialist” invasion where Washington lost access, control, profits, and resources. On the other hand it was a great gain for Israel and US. Zionism. And where was the “Left” — diffusing, distorting, and obfuscating.

My second point is the sequel to the above. Professor Petras makes a sort of world tour, but mentions the rest of Europe only in passing. However, Europe has been the undoing of the neocons. They knew the US hadn’t the power to do what they wanted on its own but they assumed, wrongly, that Europe was in the their pockets and would just follow the American lead. They were genuinely surprised and shocked when they discovered that they were wrong and then proceeded to make matters worse by launching a campaign of abuse against Europe which, of course, further alienated Europeans, whose opinion of Americans was very low anyway. The US didn’t support Saakashvili because they knew (and the Russians knew) that Europe wouldn’t join them. Saakashvili, led around by the nose by his Israeli extremist handlers, was probably the only leader in Europe who didn’t know that!

After the lights go out and the internet is dead.. Who will be the winner of this war will not be debatable, because truth will be sacrificed, as in all wars.

The lights will go out and the internet will die, in the first few seconds of WWIII.. Hundres of megatons at 100,000 feet, will wipe out all electricity , and fry the microcircuty of the computers World wide..

A new dark age will come upon us, with not only the nukes but the latest in Bio,and Chem.. Billions will die.. Just the way the Rothschilds like it… More death.

And at the end of it all they hand the world over to a bunch of aliens who they have been channeling for hundreds of years. These aliens gave them the power, because the occult is how to communicate with THEM. The Aliens looked at this world and realized that the most ruthless, are the survivors on this planet.. So they picked the Ashkenazi race to be their embassitors.. The Askenazi swiped the religion of Judaism, and turned it into a reason to swipe the M.E Oil, that is soon to be headed to Israel. Israel will be the place where humankind interfaces with The Others.

We have been taken over by aliens, takes on a whole new meaning when you realize that they are not of this solar system.

like Si- Fi.