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	<title>Comments on: From Irgun to AIPAC: Israel Lobby&#8217;s US Treasury Follies Hurt</title>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/from-irgun-to-aipac-israel-lobbys-us-treasury-follies-hurt/#comment-36272</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is absolutely true that US has been  enslaved by Israel and  sadly not many people are aware of that and the US media are so afraid to reveal that....I would say there is nothing wrong to be Jewish but when someone suck all of your money for their own sake, that is absolutely wrong and with the financial crisis strike the US economy yet the US goverment choose to reduce their money on  health care and education instead of channeling unqustionable support of Weapon of Mass Destruction to Israel  is also absolutely wrong....there is no room in the US to question support  to Israel cos if you do, you will be labelled as a terrorist and traitor,let&#039;s see hope teh financial crisis strike deeper and deeper and in that way, it may  wake up americans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is absolutely true that US has been  enslaved by Israel and  sadly not many people are aware of that and the US media are so afraid to reveal that&#8230;.I would say there is nothing wrong to be Jewish but when someone suck all of your money for their own sake, that is absolutely wrong and with the financial crisis strike the US economy yet the US goverment choose to reduce their money on  health care and education instead of channeling unqustionable support of Weapon of Mass Destruction to Israel  is also absolutely wrong&#8230;.there is no room in the US to question support  to Israel cos if you do, you will be labelled as a terrorist and traitor,let&#8217;s see hope teh financial crisis strike deeper and deeper and in that way, it may  wake up americans</p>
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		<title>By: Adonis Tate</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/from-irgun-to-aipac-israel-lobbys-us-treasury-follies-hurt/#comment-28685</link>
		<dc:creator>Adonis Tate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strike at the root, with public campaign financing in the USA. This will require grass-roots participation, because neither the corporate news media nor the incumbents on Capitol Hill want the public to know anything about it. So, shake up the clueless among your aquaintances! This is no time to be discreet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strike at the root, with public campaign financing in the USA. This will require grass-roots participation, because neither the corporate news media nor the incumbents on Capitol Hill want the public to know anything about it. So, shake up the clueless among your aquaintances! This is no time to be discreet.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/from-irgun-to-aipac-israel-lobbys-us-treasury-follies-hurt/#comment-28422</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DanE writes...
&lt;i&gt;The “Imperialism” rap ala Max S et al: well I’ve always thought of myself as “on the Left”. To me Petras, Blankfort, Brenner, for instance, can be accurately described as “leftists”, that is Anti-Capitalist Anti-Imperialist anti colonialist/anti-racist writers. So I don’t consider Mr Shields et al to be genuine leftists: to me they are maybe the “Left”, in quotes but far as I’m concerned such people are really counter-revolutionary, working to frustrate the efforts of the oppressed &amp; exploited classes to liberate themselves. &lt;/i&gt;

Dan,

  Thanks you for elucidation and correction.  You are right that these people who infiltrate and pose as &quot;the Left&quot; are much better described as &quot;counterrevolutionaries&quot; whose agenda is to frustrate the efforts of the exploited to liberate themselves.  Being a Leftist means adherence to the principles of justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DanE writes&#8230;<br />
<i>The “Imperialism” rap ala Max S et al: well I’ve always thought of myself as “on the Left”. To me Petras, Blankfort, Brenner, for instance, can be accurately described as “leftists”, that is Anti-Capitalist Anti-Imperialist anti colonialist/anti-racist writers. So I don’t consider Mr Shields et al to be genuine leftists: to me they are maybe the “Left”, in quotes but far as I’m concerned such people are really counter-revolutionary, working to frustrate the efforts of the oppressed &amp; exploited classes to liberate themselves. </i></p>
<p>Dan,</p>
<p>  Thanks you for elucidation and correction.  You are right that these people who infiltrate and pose as &#8220;the Left&#8221; are much better described as &#8220;counterrevolutionaries&#8221; whose agenda is to frustrate the efforts of the exploited to liberate themselves.  Being a Leftist means adherence to the principles of justice.</p>
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		<title>By: DanE</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/from-irgun-to-aipac-israel-lobbys-us-treasury-follies-hurt/#comment-28325</link>
		<dc:creator>DanE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Imperialism&quot; rap ala Max S et al: well I&#039;ve always thought of myself as &quot;on the Left&quot;. To me Petras, Blankfort, Brenner, for instance, can be accurately described as &quot;leftists&quot;, that is Anti-Capitalist Anti-Imperialist
anti colonialist/anti-racist writers. So I don&#039;t consider Mr Shields et al to be genuine leftists: to me they are maybe the &quot;Left&quot;, in quotes but far as I&#039;m concerned such people are really counter-revolutionary, working to frustrate the efforts of the oppressed &amp; exploited classes to liberate themselves.

It IS interesting that there&#039;s a whole subculture, a whole industry now staffed by &quot;former leftists&quot;. The rap Shields pushes is a v. familiar one to me. For about a cpl decades now these &quot;Democratic Socialists of America&quot; as well as the CPUSA have been  pushing the line that any serious attn to the degree or sources of Zionist power in America is only a diversion from the &quot;struggle vs Capital&quot; they explain in terms current at the outset of WWI. These outfits managed to gather in a pile of recruits from the debris left by the collapse of the Warsaw Pact &amp; later the USSR itself, the resulting split in the old CP, collapse of the Maoist &quot;Frontline&quot; org which decayed  &amp; were captured into this CC-DS/&quot;Committee of Correspondence&quot; freakshow. But these freaks include a lot of individuals possessing an impressive background in Marxism &amp; also Lenin&#039;s work. So a guy like Max Elbaum can give you a version of the &quot;Lay off AIPAC, Big Oil Did It&quot; rap that is really sophisticated, far  beyond Max Shields&#039; simplistic cliches.

It seems that a lot of these guys started out thinking their interests were aligned with &quot;the workingclass&quot;, with Marx&#039;s primarily industrial Proletariat -- but at some pt they realized that they &amp; their relatives had upwardly mobilized themselves to a higher socio-economic echelon, that they had little in common with members of the uneducated/unwashed Underclass, but that they DID have a lot in common with their Fellow Jews. 

It wd appear that signif. sectors among said Fellow Jews were ready to welcome these reformed radicals with open arms, even to encourage them to continue to make use of their mastery of Marxist or Marxist-Leninist concepts &amp; jargon to serve the Zionist cause. 

Thus we see that the Progress Unity Fund has no trbl finding an indiv. donor ready to put the just hatched &quot;Party of Socialist Liberation&quot; on a sound financial footing, but Mary &amp; Larry Ratcliff have not only seen their San Francisco Bay View black newspaper go belly up, but are about to lose their dwelling for lack of financial support. 

Hasta Luego,

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Imperialism&#8221; rap ala Max S et al: well I&#8217;ve always thought of myself as &#8220;on the Left&#8221;. To me Petras, Blankfort, Brenner, for instance, can be accurately described as &#8220;leftists&#8221;, that is Anti-Capitalist Anti-Imperialist<br />
anti colonialist/anti-racist writers. So I don&#8217;t consider Mr Shields et al to be genuine leftists: to me they are maybe the &#8220;Left&#8221;, in quotes but far as I&#8217;m concerned such people are really counter-revolutionary, working to frustrate the efforts of the oppressed &amp; exploited classes to liberate themselves.</p>
<p>It IS interesting that there&#8217;s a whole subculture, a whole industry now staffed by &#8220;former leftists&#8221;. The rap Shields pushes is a v. familiar one to me. For about a cpl decades now these &#8220;Democratic Socialists of America&#8221; as well as the CPUSA have been  pushing the line that any serious attn to the degree or sources of Zionist power in America is only a diversion from the &#8220;struggle vs Capital&#8221; they explain in terms current at the outset of WWI. These outfits managed to gather in a pile of recruits from the debris left by the collapse of the Warsaw Pact &amp; later the USSR itself, the resulting split in the old CP, collapse of the Maoist &#8220;Frontline&#8221; org which decayed  &amp; were captured into this CC-DS/&#8221;Committee of Correspondence&#8221; freakshow. But these freaks include a lot of individuals possessing an impressive background in Marxism &amp; also Lenin&#8217;s work. So a guy like Max Elbaum can give you a version of the &#8220;Lay off AIPAC, Big Oil Did It&#8221; rap that is really sophisticated, far  beyond Max Shields&#8217; simplistic cliches.</p>
<p>It seems that a lot of these guys started out thinking their interests were aligned with &#8220;the workingclass&#8221;, with Marx&#8217;s primarily industrial Proletariat &#8212; but at some pt they realized that they &amp; their relatives had upwardly mobilized themselves to a higher socio-economic echelon, that they had little in common with members of the uneducated/unwashed Underclass, but that they DID have a lot in common with their Fellow Jews. </p>
<p>It wd appear that signif. sectors among said Fellow Jews were ready to welcome these reformed radicals with open arms, even to encourage them to continue to make use of their mastery of Marxist or Marxist-Leninist concepts &amp; jargon to serve the Zionist cause. </p>
<p>Thus we see that the Progress Unity Fund has no trbl finding an indiv. donor ready to put the just hatched &#8220;Party of Socialist Liberation&#8221; on a sound financial footing, but Mary &amp; Larry Ratcliff have not only seen their San Francisco Bay View black newspaper go belly up, but are about to lose their dwelling for lack of financial support. </p>
<p>Hasta Luego,</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/from-irgun-to-aipac-israel-lobbys-us-treasury-follies-hurt/#comment-28293</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The grinding march toward a pointless war with Iran, like Morgenthau’s dalliances with the Irgun, is not really about America’s own best interests.&lt;/i&gt;

More proof why the &quot;imperialism&quot; label being applied by the Left is just a canard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The grinding march toward a pointless war with Iran, like Morgenthau’s dalliances with the Irgun, is not really about America’s own best interests.</i></p>
<p>More proof why the &#8220;imperialism&#8221; label being applied by the Left is just a canard.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert H. Stiver</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/from-irgun-to-aipac-israel-lobbys-us-treasury-follies-hurt/#comment-28280</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert H. Stiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant Smith has contributed an outstanding investigative report!  Levey and the web of Zionist operatives with whom he conspires have overtaken our great country for the sake of their Israel-first -- in truth, traitorous -- enterprises.  We must take back our America from these zealots -- for our sake, for the world&#039;s sake, especially for the sake of the hapless Christians and Muslims of Zionist-victimized Palestine.  Zionism is an insane ideology which must be terminally exposed and brought to an end.  A real regret is that the many, many good Jewish people of this world cannot bring themselves to clean their own house...and that, in due course, those many, many good Jewish people will feel the backlash of this pathologically criminal Zionist abomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant Smith has contributed an outstanding investigative report!  Levey and the web of Zionist operatives with whom he conspires have overtaken our great country for the sake of their Israel-first &#8212; in truth, traitorous &#8212; enterprises.  We must take back our America from these zealots &#8212; for our sake, for the world&#8217;s sake, especially for the sake of the hapless Christians and Muslims of Zionist-victimized Palestine.  Zionism is an insane ideology which must be terminally exposed and brought to an end.  A real regret is that the many, many good Jewish people of this world cannot bring themselves to clean their own house&#8230;and that, in due course, those many, many good Jewish people will feel the backlash of this pathologically criminal Zionist abomination.</p>
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