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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/cross-examining-capitalism/#comment-30627</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick list of my thoughts regarding the incorrectness of this article:

-With capitalism, people have choice, plain and simple.  Choice = freedom.

-The outsourcing of jobs is due to the success of the US, not its failure.  The rise of the value of the dollar, due to the increased productivity of the nation, (had) made it cheaper for companies to outsource labor jobs for a lower cost to other countries. The US labor force had thus been in a period of transition to more highly educated and higher paid  white collar service work, which should be seen as a positive.  Those who are not able to make that transition are the ones we should be concerned about (we need education reform).  But now, look around.  With the huge decrease in the dollar value (a bad thing, due to the near-sighted philosophy of short-term debt) is causing other companies like VW to bring manufacturing back here.

-People need resources (heat, food, water, paper).  Companies find resources to provide to people.  Competition for these resources makes the distribution more efficient.  If people didn&#039;t need resources, companies would not find them.  How many buggy whip companies are out there now ruthlessly destroying the earth for better buggy whips?

-Why are Americans the only ones allowed to be capitalists?  Someone should tell Japan that we didn&#039;t vote for their companies like Sony, Toyota, and Honda to sell their products here.

-Yes, we have voted for a lot of what you say we have not voted for.  All the people who vote for &#039;Drill Baby Drill&#039; are directly voting to pillage the earth.  But the only reason it&#039;s an option is because people/employees want to heat their homes and drive their cars.  That&#039;s a different problem than capitalism.

-Capitalism does create.  Enreprenuers want to create personal wealth, and to do so, need some way to do that.  In many cases, that means creating jobs that people want.  Employees that are not entreprenuers want those jobs.

-You can&#039;t look at a few-year slice of time and make these huge end-game assumptions. All markets are cyclical to some extent. While large companies may have immediate economies of scale over small companies, small businesses are still the largest employers in the US.

-Finding nothing new, capitalists tend to seek new opportunities, new ventures, and new technology. See how many patents IBM files each year. Look at the chips that Intel keeps releasing. Innovation is the life blood of capitalism, and while there may be stagnation and immediate profit seeking in the short term, that&#039;s not a sustainable condition for any business over the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick list of my thoughts regarding the incorrectness of this article:</p>
<p>-With capitalism, people have choice, plain and simple.  Choice = freedom.</p>
<p>-The outsourcing of jobs is due to the success of the US, not its failure.  The rise of the value of the dollar, due to the increased productivity of the nation, (had) made it cheaper for companies to outsource labor jobs for a lower cost to other countries. The US labor force had thus been in a period of transition to more highly educated and higher paid  white collar service work, which should be seen as a positive.  Those who are not able to make that transition are the ones we should be concerned about (we need education reform).  But now, look around.  With the huge decrease in the dollar value (a bad thing, due to the near-sighted philosophy of short-term debt) is causing other companies like VW to bring manufacturing back here.</p>
<p>-People need resources (heat, food, water, paper).  Companies find resources to provide to people.  Competition for these resources makes the distribution more efficient.  If people didn&#8217;t need resources, companies would not find them.  How many buggy whip companies are out there now ruthlessly destroying the earth for better buggy whips?</p>
<p>-Why are Americans the only ones allowed to be capitalists?  Someone should tell Japan that we didn&#8217;t vote for their companies like Sony, Toyota, and Honda to sell their products here.</p>
<p>-Yes, we have voted for a lot of what you say we have not voted for.  All the people who vote for &#8216;Drill Baby Drill&#8217; are directly voting to pillage the earth.  But the only reason it&#8217;s an option is because people/employees want to heat their homes and drive their cars.  That&#8217;s a different problem than capitalism.</p>
<p>-Capitalism does create.  Enreprenuers want to create personal wealth, and to do so, need some way to do that.  In many cases, that means creating jobs that people want.  Employees that are not entreprenuers want those jobs.</p>
<p>-You can&#8217;t look at a few-year slice of time and make these huge end-game assumptions. All markets are cyclical to some extent. While large companies may have immediate economies of scale over small companies, small businesses are still the largest employers in the US.</p>
<p>-Finding nothing new, capitalists tend to seek new opportunities, new ventures, and new technology. See how many patents IBM files each year. Look at the chips that Intel keeps releasing. Innovation is the life blood of capitalism, and while there may be stagnation and immediate profit seeking in the short term, that&#8217;s not a sustainable condition for any business over the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/cross-examining-capitalism/#comment-28729</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wondered if someone could answer this question as in a way it seems pertinent to the discussion about bringing things down and the potential for introducing a saner and more humane way of organising society: What percentage of bank account holders could bankrupt the banking system by withdrawing all their money and defaulting on their loans? This  is probably a naive and ignorant question but I would greatly appreciate some kind of response.
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered if someone could answer this question as in a way it seems pertinent to the discussion about bringing things down and the potential for introducing a saner and more humane way of organising society: What percentage of bank account holders could bankrupt the banking system by withdrawing all their money and defaulting on their loans? This  is probably a naive and ignorant question but I would greatly appreciate some kind of response.<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Alan MacDonald</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/cross-examining-capitalism/#comment-28708</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article ---- particularly this truth: “The egalitarian… society envisioned by social democracy cannot be secured so long as it leaves in place a group of people with incentives and means to prevent that.”

Or as Raul Julia explained to Robert Redford in the movie &quot;Havana&quot; regarding the need to revolt against Batista&#039;s fascist regime: &quot;But they will not leave by asking NICELY&quot;.

The latest mass protests in Boston against the Bush/Paulson &quot;corporate financial Empire&#039;s&quot; demands on the people are lighting a fire that this empire will live to regret.

The news of mass protests from Boston is not a second Boston T(reasury) Party, but a continuation of the &quot;outrage&quot; against Empire that started the original Boston Tea Party!

This &quot;outrage&quot; in Boston is a new &#039;shot heard round the world&#039; against the complete political economic empire (like the political AND economic British Empire) that allows ruling-elite &#039;corporate/financial Empire&#039; to metastasize from the economic realm and take-over the political realm.

We patriots need to now continue and culminate the American Revolution, that allows America&#039;s world-changing concept of &#039;democracy&#039; to freely spread from the political realm to the whole of our indivisible political economy.

&#039;Free market democracy&#039; is a myth --- a lie that never existed and was made up by the ruling-elite&#039;s &#039;corporatist Empire&#039; to make their economic take-over of our waning political democracy sound more friendly than the truthful term; &#039;fascism&#039;.

What we&#039;re facing is a far bigger battle than just the fleecing of this supposed &#039;bailout&#039;.

What we are facing is the final showdown between the economic empire of ruling-elite financial royalists against the very concept of America&#039;s most innovative contribution to the world: democracy --- vs. the chance, with our courage, to finally complete the American Revolution against the rule of empire in all aspects of our lives and liberty.

Today we have the opportunity of finally achieving the successful completion of the American Revolution; where the triumph of real democracy, rather than empire, in how men govern themselves, addresses the inexorably combined power of our indivisible political economy.

The good news of this epic crisis is that the real American innovation of democracy will finally (after 232 years) be applied to both the realms of political and economic self-governance, rather than only to the political sphere --- because empire, left alone in the economic sphere, has been perverting and trying to overthrow democracy since 1776.

This is not a choice between &#039;free market democracy&#039; (which is only a PR lie told by the &#039;corporatist Empire&#039; behind the facade of their two-party &#039;Vichy&#039; government) and the scare term of &#039;socialism&#039; --- but rather the long-delayed, final battle of the American Revolution, between democratic self-governance in the unified political economy of our country, or an economic empire of their corporatist/fascist elite metastasizing from the economic realm to the political realm and the whole of our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article &#8212;- particularly this truth: “The egalitarian… society envisioned by social democracy cannot be secured so long as it leaves in place a group of people with incentives and means to prevent that.”</p>
<p>Or as Raul Julia explained to Robert Redford in the movie &#8220;Havana&#8221; regarding the need to revolt against Batista&#8217;s fascist regime: &#8220;But they will not leave by asking NICELY&#8221;.</p>
<p>The latest mass protests in Boston against the Bush/Paulson &#8220;corporate financial Empire&#8217;s&#8221; demands on the people are lighting a fire that this empire will live to regret.</p>
<p>The news of mass protests from Boston is not a second Boston T(reasury) Party, but a continuation of the &#8220;outrage&#8221; against Empire that started the original Boston Tea Party!</p>
<p>This &#8220;outrage&#8221; in Boston is a new &#8216;shot heard round the world&#8217; against the complete political economic empire (like the political AND economic British Empire) that allows ruling-elite &#8216;corporate/financial Empire&#8217; to metastasize from the economic realm and take-over the political realm.</p>
<p>We patriots need to now continue and culminate the American Revolution, that allows America&#8217;s world-changing concept of &#8216;democracy&#8217; to freely spread from the political realm to the whole of our indivisible political economy.</p>
<p>&#8216;Free market democracy&#8217; is a myth &#8212; a lie that never existed and was made up by the ruling-elite&#8217;s &#8216;corporatist Empire&#8217; to make their economic take-over of our waning political democracy sound more friendly than the truthful term; &#8216;fascism&#8217;.</p>
<p>What we&#8217;re facing is a far bigger battle than just the fleecing of this supposed &#8216;bailout&#8217;.</p>
<p>What we are facing is the final showdown between the economic empire of ruling-elite financial royalists against the very concept of America&#8217;s most innovative contribution to the world: democracy &#8212; vs. the chance, with our courage, to finally complete the American Revolution against the rule of empire in all aspects of our lives and liberty.</p>
<p>Today we have the opportunity of finally achieving the successful completion of the American Revolution; where the triumph of real democracy, rather than empire, in how men govern themselves, addresses the inexorably combined power of our indivisible political economy.</p>
<p>The good news of this epic crisis is that the real American innovation of democracy will finally (after 232 years) be applied to both the realms of political and economic self-governance, rather than only to the political sphere &#8212; because empire, left alone in the economic sphere, has been perverting and trying to overthrow democracy since 1776.</p>
<p>This is not a choice between &#8216;free market democracy&#8217; (which is only a PR lie told by the &#8216;corporatist Empire&#8217; behind the facade of their two-party &#8216;Vichy&#8217; government) and the scare term of &#8216;socialism&#8217; &#8212; but rather the long-delayed, final battle of the American Revolution, between democratic self-governance in the unified political economy of our country, or an economic empire of their corporatist/fascist elite metastasizing from the economic realm to the political realm and the whole of our society.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar  bob  balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/cross-examining-capitalism/#comment-28617</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar  bob  balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we better, methinks, ease up w. doctrines. 
conjectures by marx, lenin, hayek, sach, et al,  r interesting, but that is all i can say ab. them.
methinks that the word  &quot;capitalism&quot; as used by most users of this word befuddles the issue.
in short, so-called capitalism may consist of  mns or bns of interpersonal relationships.
it is this, the actualities we need to study. and, lo and behold, we find the  &#039;capitalism&#039;  is eerily similar or same to any royal or feudal societal structure.
in other words, what is now occuring in US and elsewhere on the structural level, is as old as the hills.
as people have said, The more things change, the more they stay the same.
and societal structure  is well known and easily espied and understood.
i&#039;ve written ab it many times to corporate and alternate media.
once u know a structure of a house, u can built it self: u need good base, studs, beams, truss, shingles, etc.
similarly, u can build a much better societal structure if u: have managers and not rulers; referendums but only after fair discussion which must not  not be managed by any private medium.
a candidate for management sits in a circle. abolish use of money while a canditate runs for office.
ensure that at least half of the elected people stem from working class.
introduce education.
thus far in US and elsewhere we&#039;ve witnessed  massive miseducation on how society is set or how it functions . thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we better, methinks, ease up w. doctrines.<br />
conjectures by marx, lenin, hayek, sach, et al,  r interesting, but that is all i can say ab. them.<br />
methinks that the word  &#8220;capitalism&#8221; as used by most users of this word befuddles the issue.<br />
in short, so-called capitalism may consist of  mns or bns of interpersonal relationships.<br />
it is this, the actualities we need to study. and, lo and behold, we find the  &#8216;capitalism&#8217;  is eerily similar or same to any royal or feudal societal structure.<br />
in other words, what is now occuring in US and elsewhere on the structural level, is as old as the hills.<br />
as people have said, The more things change, the more they stay the same.<br />
and societal structure  is well known and easily espied and understood.<br />
i&#8217;ve written ab it many times to corporate and alternate media.<br />
once u know a structure of a house, u can built it self: u need good base, studs, beams, truss, shingles, etc.<br />
similarly, u can build a much better societal structure if u: have managers and not rulers; referendums but only after fair discussion which must not  not be managed by any private medium.<br />
a candidate for management sits in a circle. abolish use of money while a canditate runs for office.<br />
ensure that at least half of the elected people stem from working class.<br />
introduce education.<br />
thus far in US and elsewhere we&#8217;ve witnessed  massive miseducation on how society is set or how it functions . thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Art Jones</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/cross-examining-capitalism/#comment-28614</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isolating this debacle to a single institution this is a half truth.  Join Gore and friends,. This argument fails to fully “ reconsider and change core values and plan”.   
First, your premise, “private hiring” is the root of all evil in today’s market lacks the slightest traction.  Lacking an alternative from you, I presume “public hiring” is better or worker directed business solves this problem.  At any rate, a democratic sort of decision making will work better.  This allows us to invoke government monopoly and any alliance with government becomes unnecessary because government and business are the same.  We move immediately to Corporate State Capitalism, also known as socialism or communism.  Don’t get me wrong, if you can get that many people to agree without a forceful dictatorial hand, like Lenin or Mao Tse-Tung,  this is not likely.
Second, leadership, from Pelosi to Bush,  messed up doing stupid things.  I am disgusted with it too.  Corporate leadership failed to manage their own institutions, protecting themselves for obvious risks.  They loaned money to people with obvious problems paying any of it back.  The congress in its largesse, failed to govern as it looked at this risky lending as an in to red lining, prejudice and new opportunity.  Citizens, aka, voters and workers, bellied up to the lenders and borrowed like there was no tomorrow.   Some were arguably ignorant.  Most were drunk with the opportunity, gorging on cheap loans.  The borrowers voted so to speak, taking out loans.  These are our guides who collectively make the truly prudent decisions.  They screwed up.
Finally,  the informed worker/voter is the answer, their vote with each dollar they spend counts more than the electoral vote.  Their financial choices count more than their vote on a company’s decision on how much pollution to produce or what product to make.  In the 1990s, the rules changed, it took awhile for corporations, legislators, and citizens to figure it out.  And like our leaders, our worker/voters make mistakes.   
My arguments are simplistic too.  Listen to the workers who rejected loans, and found themselves overruled by middle, not top management.  Look at the vague contracts that one capitalist traded securities with another capitalist.  Feel the euphoria of minorities, walking away, feeling they ‘bought” their home.   Look at the congress person seeing the end of red lining.  And government regulation, Oooh, those guys.  They began stepping back with the blessing of all parties in the 1990s.
Hey, it’s an election year, sit back, oversimplify, cut it to a sound bite.  Now that’s education Bush, OBama and McCain style.  
I&#039;m with Donald, let&#039;s go fishing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isolating this debacle to a single institution this is a half truth.  Join Gore and friends,. This argument fails to fully “ reconsider and change core values and plan”.<br />
First, your premise, “private hiring” is the root of all evil in today’s market lacks the slightest traction.  Lacking an alternative from you, I presume “public hiring” is better or worker directed business solves this problem.  At any rate, a democratic sort of decision making will work better.  This allows us to invoke government monopoly and any alliance with government becomes unnecessary because government and business are the same.  We move immediately to Corporate State Capitalism, also known as socialism or communism.  Don’t get me wrong, if you can get that many people to agree without a forceful dictatorial hand, like Lenin or Mao Tse-Tung,  this is not likely.<br />
Second, leadership, from Pelosi to Bush,  messed up doing stupid things.  I am disgusted with it too.  Corporate leadership failed to manage their own institutions, protecting themselves for obvious risks.  They loaned money to people with obvious problems paying any of it back.  The congress in its largesse, failed to govern as it looked at this risky lending as an in to red lining, prejudice and new opportunity.  Citizens, aka, voters and workers, bellied up to the lenders and borrowed like there was no tomorrow.   Some were arguably ignorant.  Most were drunk with the opportunity, gorging on cheap loans.  The borrowers voted so to speak, taking out loans.  These are our guides who collectively make the truly prudent decisions.  They screwed up.<br />
Finally,  the informed worker/voter is the answer, their vote with each dollar they spend counts more than the electoral vote.  Their financial choices count more than their vote on a company’s decision on how much pollution to produce or what product to make.  In the 1990s, the rules changed, it took awhile for corporations, legislators, and citizens to figure it out.  And like our leaders, our worker/voters make mistakes.<br />
My arguments are simplistic too.  Listen to the workers who rejected loans, and found themselves overruled by middle, not top management.  Look at the vague contracts that one capitalist traded securities with another capitalist.  Feel the euphoria of minorities, walking away, feeling they ‘bought” their home.   Look at the congress person seeing the end of red lining.  And government regulation, Oooh, those guys.  They began stepping back with the blessing of all parties in the 1990s.<br />
Hey, it’s an election year, sit back, oversimplify, cut it to a sound bite.  Now that’s education Bush, OBama and McCain style.<br />
I&#8217;m with Donald, let&#8217;s go fishing.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/cross-examining-capitalism/#comment-28602</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to write something it happens.  On that seeing into the future thing.  I use the past, history to help me with that.  Sometimes the history, knowledge in say the last thirty years and the past that we have now been able to see though science in millions of years but to see into the future now days you know the best of times the worst of times is kind of a nobrainer half a brain will do very easy to see now.  The answer, Oh man that is the question.  Somehow we need to get those damn gods to stop laughing at us.  I tried telling them kiss my ass didn&#039;t work.  I tried ignoring them didn&#039;t work the laughter was still there.  I tried reason didn&#039;t work.  I&#039;ll tell you these gods now days are a tuff group.  There must be a way, there must be away.  These gods are very cleaver because it looks like they decided to not make themselves known to our leaders our fearless leaders.  Just us the people can hear them very clever gods.  There must be away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to write something it happens.  On that seeing into the future thing.  I use the past, history to help me with that.  Sometimes the history, knowledge in say the last thirty years and the past that we have now been able to see though science in millions of years but to see into the future now days you know the best of times the worst of times is kind of a nobrainer half a brain will do very easy to see now.  The answer, Oh man that is the question.  Somehow we need to get those damn gods to stop laughing at us.  I tried telling them kiss my ass didn&#8217;t work.  I tried ignoring them didn&#8217;t work the laughter was still there.  I tried reason didn&#8217;t work.  I&#8217;ll tell you these gods now days are a tuff group.  There must be a way, there must be away.  These gods are very cleaver because it looks like they decided to not make themselves known to our leaders our fearless leaders.  Just us the people can hear them very clever gods.  There must be away.</p>
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		<title>By: Socialism:  Next Stage in Political Systems.  Socialism will come to USA wether capitalists like it or not !!</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/cross-examining-capitalism/#comment-28601</link>
		<dc:creator>Socialism:  Next Stage in Political Systems.  Socialism will come to USA wether capitalists like it or not !!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crisis of Capitalism and the Left
by Emir Sader 
A new crisis of capitalism, in the style of 1929.  The theories of casino capitalism are confirmed.  The US government contradicts itself again and heavily intervenes, demonstrating that its confidence in the market isn&#039;t as great as its propaganda displayed.  Neoliberal capitalism spills its guts, and the theories of the Left -- Keynesian or anti-capitalist -- critical of neoliberalism are corroborated.

Our theories about the anti-social and perhaps terminal character of capitalism borne out, we leftists smile, rubbing our hands, eager for social and political consequences of crises.

Should we?  Or perhaps should we ask ourselves how prepared we are to confront this new crisis with left-wing alternatives?  Not just with theories, but with the social, political, and ideological force to contest hegemony in crisis.  Are we ready to ask ourselves if the measures taken by governments wouldn&#039;t mean more suffering for the poor, more desperation, abandonment, unemployment, and precarious labor, without people being able to see alternatives?

If we are to merely play an intellectual role of being critics of capitalism, the new crisis is a great feast.  We can rejoice and churn out, day after day, week after week, new articles that foresee -- &quot;as we have written already&quot; -- the end of capitalism in short order.

But every catastrophism is self-deceiving.  In the 30s, the Communist International subscribed to the theory of economist Eugen Varga, who revisited Lenin&#039;s theory to diagnose that the crisis of 1929 brought capitalism, finally, to its final stage.  As the New Deal rescued capitalism from itself, the category of the &quot;second phase of the final stage of capitalism&quot; was introduced.  By now we must be in the fifth or sixth phase.

Giovanni Arrighi recalls that, in the 70s, the debate was not about the end of capitalism but about when, where, and how capitalism would end -- the subject that was apparently accepted by even theoreticians in favor of capitalism.

Nevertheless, as Lenin himself reminds us, capitalism doesn&#039;t collapse, nor will it ever collapse, unless it gets defeated -- as shown by the revolutionary processes that ended up with capitalism, temporarily or definitively.  It doesn&#039;t collapse on its own, and it even demonstrates capacity for recovery.  Who knew that the homeland of Lenin, of the first worker-peasant revolution in the history of humanity, would see restoration of capitalism, in a gangster version? 

Who knew that the United States, &quot;mortally wounded&quot; by the crisis of 1929, would preside over the longest and deepest cycle of expansion of capitalism in its history -- its &quot;golden era&quot; according to Hobsbawm -- after WW2, pressuring the USSR and defeating it technologically and economically, before facilitating its political implosion?

I&#039;m not saying this to be characterized as a propagandist of apologetic visions of capitalism or to encourage demoralization, but to perform a salutary affirmation of Brecht, who said that &quot;we must attack the strongest flank of the enemy,&quot; so as not to deceive ourselves about the real conditions of the battle against it, so as not to underestimate its forces, and, above all, so as not to overestimate our forces.

Every crisis that the Left faces with hand-rubbing glee leaves it even more defeated than before, for such a Left is one content with contemplating the last days of a capitalist Pompeii, which however persists and survives thanks to the lack of alternatives -- theoretical and political -- on the Left, the very Left that appears to believe that finally one day, in the not too distant future, peoples of the world will be persuaded of its apocalyptic theory, without it having made its theory real as an economic, social, political, and ideological force.

For the time being -- as Marx said of the petit bourgeoisie -- it seems that the people are not yet mature enough to understand the theory of a Left that is satisfied with itself, with our marvelous theory that tells us that, whether in the long, medium, or short term, inevitably history will reveal that it&#039;s advancing toward socialism.

The turns -- both revolutionary and counter-revolutionary -- of the 20th century have taught us nothing if we are still waiting for the corpse of our enemy to turn up, rather than meticulously preparing to make our dreams and utopias a reality, as recommended by Lenin&#039;s revolutionary realism.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crisis of Capitalism and the Left<br />
by Emir Sader<br />
A new crisis of capitalism, in the style of 1929.  The theories of casino capitalism are confirmed.  The US government contradicts itself again and heavily intervenes, demonstrating that its confidence in the market isn&#8217;t as great as its propaganda displayed.  Neoliberal capitalism spills its guts, and the theories of the Left &#8212; Keynesian or anti-capitalist &#8212; critical of neoliberalism are corroborated.</p>
<p>Our theories about the anti-social and perhaps terminal character of capitalism borne out, we leftists smile, rubbing our hands, eager for social and political consequences of crises.</p>
<p>Should we?  Or perhaps should we ask ourselves how prepared we are to confront this new crisis with left-wing alternatives?  Not just with theories, but with the social, political, and ideological force to contest hegemony in crisis.  Are we ready to ask ourselves if the measures taken by governments wouldn&#8217;t mean more suffering for the poor, more desperation, abandonment, unemployment, and precarious labor, without people being able to see alternatives?</p>
<p>If we are to merely play an intellectual role of being critics of capitalism, the new crisis is a great feast.  We can rejoice and churn out, day after day, week after week, new articles that foresee &#8212; &#8220;as we have written already&#8221; &#8212; the end of capitalism in short order.</p>
<p>But every catastrophism is self-deceiving.  In the 30s, the Communist International subscribed to the theory of economist Eugen Varga, who revisited Lenin&#8217;s theory to diagnose that the crisis of 1929 brought capitalism, finally, to its final stage.  As the New Deal rescued capitalism from itself, the category of the &#8220;second phase of the final stage of capitalism&#8221; was introduced.  By now we must be in the fifth or sixth phase.</p>
<p>Giovanni Arrighi recalls that, in the 70s, the debate was not about the end of capitalism but about when, where, and how capitalism would end &#8212; the subject that was apparently accepted by even theoreticians in favor of capitalism.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, as Lenin himself reminds us, capitalism doesn&#8217;t collapse, nor will it ever collapse, unless it gets defeated &#8212; as shown by the revolutionary processes that ended up with capitalism, temporarily or definitively.  It doesn&#8217;t collapse on its own, and it even demonstrates capacity for recovery.  Who knew that the homeland of Lenin, of the first worker-peasant revolution in the history of humanity, would see restoration of capitalism, in a gangster version? </p>
<p>Who knew that the United States, &#8220;mortally wounded&#8221; by the crisis of 1929, would preside over the longest and deepest cycle of expansion of capitalism in its history &#8212; its &#8220;golden era&#8221; according to Hobsbawm &#8212; after WW2, pressuring the USSR and defeating it technologically and economically, before facilitating its political implosion?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying this to be characterized as a propagandist of apologetic visions of capitalism or to encourage demoralization, but to perform a salutary affirmation of Brecht, who said that &#8220;we must attack the strongest flank of the enemy,&#8221; so as not to deceive ourselves about the real conditions of the battle against it, so as not to underestimate its forces, and, above all, so as not to overestimate our forces.</p>
<p>Every crisis that the Left faces with hand-rubbing glee leaves it even more defeated than before, for such a Left is one content with contemplating the last days of a capitalist Pompeii, which however persists and survives thanks to the lack of alternatives &#8212; theoretical and political &#8212; on the Left, the very Left that appears to believe that finally one day, in the not too distant future, peoples of the world will be persuaded of its apocalyptic theory, without it having made its theory real as an economic, social, political, and ideological force.</p>
<p>For the time being &#8212; as Marx said of the petit bourgeoisie &#8212; it seems that the people are not yet mature enough to understand the theory of a Left that is satisfied with itself, with our marvelous theory that tells us that, whether in the long, medium, or short term, inevitably history will reveal that it&#8217;s advancing toward socialism.</p>
<p>The turns &#8212; both revolutionary and counter-revolutionary &#8212; of the 20th century have taught us nothing if we are still waiting for the corpse of our enemy to turn up, rather than meticulously preparing to make our dreams and utopias a reality, as recommended by Lenin&#8217;s revolutionary realism.</p>
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		<title>By: Socialism:  Next Stage in Political Systems.  Socialism will come to USA wether capitalists like it or not !!</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/cross-examining-capitalism/#comment-28594</link>
		<dc:creator>Socialism:  Next Stage in Political Systems.  Socialism will come to USA wether capitalists like it or not !!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USA-MASSES NEED AN EDUCATIONAL CAMPAING TO LEARN WHAT IS CAPITALISM, SOCIALISM, NEOLIBERALISM AND IMPERIALISM BEFORE ENGAGING IN ELECTORAL POLITICS


here in USA we gotta do the same thing that Chavez did, teach the US poor for some months or years what is capitalism and what is socialism before trying to do form any political party. Almost nobody in USA have taught the masses the evils of neoliberalism, not even Kucinich, Ron Paul or any other candidate. Ron Paul was the only one who talked about the US constitution and nobody listened to him, because he didn’t teach the masses about the evils of capitalism, because of the fact that Ron Paul was a capitalist, not a real alternative for poor people. Only socialist and marxists parties do that in USA and they don’t get much coverage in TV. So before starting a third party, i suggest to spend some months or years trying to teach the poor people of America about the evils of capitalism and the wonders of a participative democratic socialist system, a people’s system</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USA-MASSES NEED AN EDUCATIONAL CAMPAING TO LEARN WHAT IS CAPITALISM, SOCIALISM, NEOLIBERALISM AND IMPERIALISM BEFORE ENGAGING IN ELECTORAL POLITICS</p>
<p>here in USA we gotta do the same thing that Chavez did, teach the US poor for some months or years what is capitalism and what is socialism before trying to do form any political party. Almost nobody in USA have taught the masses the evils of neoliberalism, not even Kucinich, Ron Paul or any other candidate. Ron Paul was the only one who talked about the US constitution and nobody listened to him, because he didn’t teach the masses about the evils of capitalism, because of the fact that Ron Paul was a capitalist, not a real alternative for poor people. Only socialist and marxists parties do that in USA and they don’t get much coverage in TV. So before starting a third party, i suggest to spend some months or years trying to teach the poor people of America about the evils of capitalism and the wonders of a participative democratic socialist system, a people’s system</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/cross-examining-capitalism/#comment-28592</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one knows what to do?  I do I am going fishing and listen to some tunes and then when it is nice and quiet out there at the river listen I mean listen and see if the laughter of the gods just got a little louder and then probably think to myself.  A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive.  My next thought will be, you see I can see into the future, self it sure is quiet out here except for that damn laughter I keep hearing getting louder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one knows what to do?  I do I am going fishing and listen to some tunes and then when it is nice and quiet out there at the river listen I mean listen and see if the laughter of the gods just got a little louder and then probably think to myself.  A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive.  My next thought will be, you see I can see into the future, self it sure is quiet out here except for that damn laughter I keep hearing getting louder.</p>
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		<title>By: Socialism:  Next Stage in Political Systems.  Socialism will come to USA wether capitalists like it or not !!</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/cross-examining-capitalism/#comment-28591</link>
		<dc:creator>Socialism:  Next Stage in Political Systems.  Socialism will come to USA wether capitalists like it or not !!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But We first need: An educational-propaganda campaign

In order to create a third united socialist party we would first of all need an educational campaign in order to spread knowledge to the masses about the evils of capitalism, fascism and imperialism and the only alternative to it is participative democratic socialism.  The American masses are real confused about how the world works.  Trying to wake up the masses from their delirium would pose us as a threat.  I read the biography of Hugo Chavez by Alleyda Guevara (Che Guevara&#039;s daughter) and I learned how he tried to wake up the venezuelan poor masses, because you can&#039;t stirr up a revolution in a society that is not awake, a society that doesnt know that capitalism is the cause of poverty and all society&#039;s problemse.  Hugo Chavez first tried to wake up Venezuelan poors about the evils of neoliberalism, he talked about the importance of teaching the masses about capitalism vs. socialism.  And then when Venezuelan&#039;s poors were mentally awake and physically and emotionally ready to revolt against the older right-wing government, Chavez started to do his thing (To overthrow the fascist capitalist venezuela system)
And here in USA we gotta do the same thing that Chavez did, teach the US poor for some months or years what is capitalism and what is socialism before trying to do form any political party.  Almost nobody in USA have taught the masses the evils of neoliberalism, not even Kucinich, Ron Paul or any other candidate.  Ron Paul was the only one who talked about the US constitution and nobody listened to him, because he didn&#039;t teach the masses about the evils of capitalism, because of the fact that Ron Paul was a capitalist, not a real alternative for poor people.  Only  socialist and marxists parties do that in USA and they don&#039;t get much coverage in TV.  So before starting a third party, i suggest to spend some months or years trying to teach the poor people of America about the evils of capitalism and the wonders of a participative democratic socialist system, a people&#039;s system</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But We first need: An educational-propaganda campaign</p>
<p>In order to create a third united socialist party we would first of all need an educational campaign in order to spread knowledge to the masses about the evils of capitalism, fascism and imperialism and the only alternative to it is participative democratic socialism.  The American masses are real confused about how the world works.  Trying to wake up the masses from their delirium would pose us as a threat.  I read the biography of Hugo Chavez by Alleyda Guevara (Che Guevara&#8217;s daughter) and I learned how he tried to wake up the venezuelan poor masses, because you can&#8217;t stirr up a revolution in a society that is not awake, a society that doesnt know that capitalism is the cause of poverty and all society&#8217;s problemse.  Hugo Chavez first tried to wake up Venezuelan poors about the evils of neoliberalism, he talked about the importance of teaching the masses about capitalism vs. socialism.  And then when Venezuelan&#8217;s poors were mentally awake and physically and emotionally ready to revolt against the older right-wing government, Chavez started to do his thing (To overthrow the fascist capitalist venezuela system)<br />
And here in USA we gotta do the same thing that Chavez did, teach the US poor for some months or years what is capitalism and what is socialism before trying to do form any political party.  Almost nobody in USA have taught the masses the evils of neoliberalism, not even Kucinich, Ron Paul or any other candidate.  Ron Paul was the only one who talked about the US constitution and nobody listened to him, because he didn&#8217;t teach the masses about the evils of capitalism, because of the fact that Ron Paul was a capitalist, not a real alternative for poor people.  Only  socialist and marxists parties do that in USA and they don&#8217;t get much coverage in TV.  So before starting a third party, i suggest to spend some months or years trying to teach the poor people of America about the evils of capitalism and the wonders of a participative democratic socialist system, a people&#8217;s system</p>
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		<title>By: Marton  Zsenei</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/cross-examining-capitalism/#comment-28517</link>
		<dc:creator>Marton  Zsenei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A joke from Hungary:
What did Hungarian people want at the &quot;change of the  system&quot;?
The people wanted socialism without nomenclatura.
And  what did people get?
We have got  the capitalism of the nomenclatura.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A joke from Hungary:<br />
What did Hungarian people want at the &#8220;change of the  system&#8221;?<br />
The people wanted socialism without nomenclatura.<br />
And  what did people get?<br />
We have got  the capitalism of the nomenclatura.</p>
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		<title>By: HR</title>
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		<dc:creator>HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.  Just wish the author had mentioned that, before the massive movement offshore, many of our &quot;noble&quot; corporations first moved operations to areas of this country, like the South, where wages were low and unions were held in disrepute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  Just wish the author had mentioned that, before the massive movement offshore, many of our &#8220;noble&#8221; corporations first moved operations to areas of this country, like the South, where wages were low and unions were held in disrepute.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hureaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hureaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so it goes.  Boy is it gonna get weird before it gets weirder.</description>
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		<title>By: bozhidar  bob  balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/cross-examining-capitalism/#comment-28484</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar  bob  balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;root problem is our weakness, irresponsbility, uncontrolled disere to buy&quot;.
it cannot be proven that we humans are weak. whe are what nature (to some god) had made us and is still(hopefully) making us.
and nature made us to survive and even trive. yes, i firmly conclude, that we can now even trive but only with a different structure of governance.
it si not the nature which is still making us which is to blame for  aspects of our being such as money being root of all evil on personal, interpersonal, intranat&#039;l, and internat&#039;l level.
it is neither god nor nature that &#039;teaches&#039; us absolute obedience to flag or god; it is the clergy, kings, patricians (both ancient and today&#039;s) that do that.
it is not nature that disinforms, misteaches people; it is people who misteach one another. in this aspect on interpersonal, internat&#039;l, intranat&#039;l levels, the greatest misteachers have always been our rulers: clergy, kings, billionaires, et al.

&quot;if we only have wisdom&quot; . why this? the nature gave us all it cld. there is at this time no more; thus, it is best we conclude we are sufficiently wise.
we  may say that we do not have wisdom only because we are vastly mistaught and not that we do not have at least potentially.
however, we are sufficiently disinformed, mistaught  by ucle sam et al that we will kill/maim/destroy in order to maintain our own serfdom to clergy, &#039;teachers&#039;. media/politicos, et al.
this, that we are stupid, unwashed, uncultured, uneducated, unmotivated, lazy, etc., had been propagated by clergy/rulers for ages.
i&#039;m dismayed every time a dv writer or poster posit such ideas either explicitly or by implication.
we need to tell people, Hey, there is nothing wrong with u whatsoever.
u have been duped. don&#039;t feel bad about it, bns upon bns have been duped just like u r now.  thnk u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;root problem is our weakness, irresponsbility, uncontrolled disere to buy&#8221;.<br />
it cannot be proven that we humans are weak. whe are what nature (to some god) had made us and is still(hopefully) making us.<br />
and nature made us to survive and even trive. yes, i firmly conclude, that we can now even trive but only with a different structure of governance.<br />
it si not the nature which is still making us which is to blame for  aspects of our being such as money being root of all evil on personal, interpersonal, intranat&#8217;l, and internat&#8217;l level.<br />
it is neither god nor nature that &#8216;teaches&#8217; us absolute obedience to flag or god; it is the clergy, kings, patricians (both ancient and today&#8217;s) that do that.<br />
it is not nature that disinforms, misteaches people; it is people who misteach one another. in this aspect on interpersonal, internat&#8217;l, intranat&#8217;l levels, the greatest misteachers have always been our rulers: clergy, kings, billionaires, et al.</p>
<p>&#8220;if we only have wisdom&#8221; . why this? the nature gave us all it cld. there is at this time no more; thus, it is best we conclude we are sufficiently wise.<br />
we  may say that we do not have wisdom only because we are vastly mistaught and not that we do not have at least potentially.<br />
however, we are sufficiently disinformed, mistaught  by ucle sam et al that we will kill/maim/destroy in order to maintain our own serfdom to clergy, &#8216;teachers&#8217;. media/politicos, et al.<br />
this, that we are stupid, unwashed, uncultured, uneducated, unmotivated, lazy, etc., had been propagated by clergy/rulers for ages.<br />
i&#8217;m dismayed every time a dv writer or poster posit such ideas either explicitly or by implication.<br />
we need to tell people, Hey, there is nothing wrong with u whatsoever.<br />
u have been duped. don&#8217;t feel bad about it, bns upon bns have been duped just like u r now.  thnk u</p>
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		<title>By: John Merryman</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Merryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a possible solution I offered some months back:

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/reverse-shock-doctrine/

As well as an essay that gives some back story to my thinking:

http://www.exterminatingangel.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=203&amp;Itemid=118

 Here is an author who has developed the idea further:

http://webofdebt.wordpress.com/monetary-proposal/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a possible solution I offered some months back:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/reverse-shock-doctrine/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/reverse-shock-doctrine/</a></p>
<p>As well as an essay that gives some back story to my thinking:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.exterminatingangel.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=203&#038;Itemid=118" rel="nofollow">http://www.exterminatingangel.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=203&#038;Itemid=118</a></p>
<p> Here is an author who has developed the idea further:</p>
<p><a href="http://webofdebt.wordpress.com/monetary-proposal/" rel="nofollow">http://webofdebt.wordpress.com/monetary-proposal/</a></p>
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