Comments on: South Ossetia Question Marks: Propaganda the Morning After http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:16:22 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Richard Posner http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/#comment-26260 Richard Posner Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:43:31 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2503#comment-26260 I can easily imagine the war profiteering “defense contractors”, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and a host of others salivating at the prospect of the rebirth of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. I can envision the authors of PNAC and all the happy little war mongering politicians, demopublicans and repubilcrats alike, longing for the “rapture” with visions of mushroom clouds dancing in their heads. The u.s. will make no real effort to thwart the rebuilding of the “soviet empire”. It will give amerika a real, nuclear armed boogey man to ad to the one we created with the “war on terror” to replace it. Perpetual war is their nirvana. War is peace. Orwell would just shake his head, turn over and go back to his eternal sleep. He wouldn’t even bother to say, “I told you so”. I can easily imagine the war profiteering “defense contractors”, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and a host of others salivating at the prospect of the rebirth of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. I can envision the authors of PNAC and all the happy little war mongering politicians, demopublicans and repubilcrats alike, longing for the “rapture” with visions of mushroom clouds dancing in their heads. The u.s. will make no real effort to thwart the rebuilding of the “soviet empire”. It will give amerika a real, nuclear armed boogey man to ad to the one we created with the “war on terror” to replace it. Perpetual war is their nirvana. War is peace. Orwell would just shake his head, turn over and go back to his eternal sleep. He wouldn’t even bother to say, “I told you so”.

]]> By: cg http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/#comment-26253 cg Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:52:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2503#comment-26253 Well, this didn't take long. One thing about dealing with Israel (and the US), you can always count on double dealing snake in the grass backstabbing treachery. http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=16875 http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=27365 Well, this didn’t take long.
One thing about dealing with Israel (and the US), you can always count on double dealing snake in the grass backstabbing treachery.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=16875

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=27365

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/#comment-26252 Deadbeat Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:01:34 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2503#comment-26252 Thanks Kim for the links. This is pretty dangerous politics going on here. Clearly it seem designed to maintain the war machine. With the American people weary of waging War a return to the politics of the Cold War would seem an absolute necessity. I hope the American people can resist the propaganda to return to such retrograde politics and stand firm against reviving the Cold War which will only serve to continue to drain the treasury and innocent lives. Thanks Kim for the links. This is pretty dangerous politics going on here. Clearly it seem designed to maintain the war machine. With the American people weary of waging War a return to the politics of the Cold War would seem an absolute necessity. I hope the American people can resist the propaganda to return to such retrograde politics and stand firm against reviving the Cold War which will only serve to continue to drain the treasury and innocent lives.

]]> By: John Hatch http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/#comment-26250 John Hatch Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:14:55 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2503#comment-26250 Kim, thanks for the link to the analysis. I had no idea that the US (and Israel) had such influence in the area (Georgia). The attack looks like a very dangerous and reckless provocation of Russia. Kim, thanks for the link to the analysis. I had no idea that the US (and Israel) had such influence in the area (Georgia). The attack looks like a very dangerous and reckless provocation of Russia.

]]> By: Kim Petersen http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/#comment-26244 Kim Petersen Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:58:21 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2503#comment-26244 To your query, check out this analysis Deadbeat. www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9788 To your query, check out this analysis Deadbeat.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9788

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/#comment-26236 Lloyd Rowsey Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:41:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2503#comment-26236 Yeah, LA to NY, both the Times are shit. Yeah, LA to NY, both the Times are shit.

]]> By: William http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/#comment-26233 William Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:03:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2503#comment-26233 what about Chechnya, Russia now is just trying to retake control of a former soviet republic, it would have been ok if they just took control of south ossetia, but now they have gone too far and revealed their true intentions what about Chechnya, Russia now is just trying to retake control of a former soviet republic, it would have been ok if they just took control of south ossetia, but now they have gone too far and revealed their true intentions

]]> By: William http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/#comment-26232 William Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:03:31 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2503#comment-26232 what about Chechnya, Russia now is just trying to retake control of a former soviet republic, it would have been ok if they just took control of south ossetia, but now they have gone too far and revealed they true intentions what about Chechnya, Russia now is just trying to retake control of a former soviet republic, it would have been ok if they just took control of south ossetia, but now they have gone too far and revealed they true intentions

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/#comment-26229 Deadbeat Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:00:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2503#comment-26229 Can someone explain why the Israelis were involved in this affair. I also heard it discussed today on DemocracyNow. Why would the Israelis want to antagonizes the Russians? Thanks in advance. Can someone explain why the Israelis were involved in this affair. I also heard it discussed today on DemocracyNow. Why would the Israelis want to antagonizes the Russians? Thanks in advance.

]]> By: cg http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/#comment-26217 cg Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:41 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2503#comment-26217 Notice how the media conveniently omits any references to the 1,000 Israeli 'advisers' and especially the Israeli "forward operating artillery unit" which just happened to be there training the Georgians? Along with dead Americans there are also dead Ukrainians and dead Israelis as well. Remember this all started with the artillery bombardment of the S. Ossetian capitol and its exclusive civilian population. Two thousand dead civilians. Oh well, any war criminals know which shitty little country they can run to and avoid extradition and prosecution. Don't they? http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=16875 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010187.html Notice how the media conveniently omits any references to the 1,000 Israeli ‘advisers’ and especially the Israeli “forward operating artillery unit” which just happened to be there training the Georgians?
Along with dead Americans there are also dead Ukrainians and dead Israelis as well.
Remember this all started with the artillery bombardment of the S. Ossetian capitol and its exclusive civilian population. Two thousand dead civilians.
Oh well, any war criminals know which shitty little country they can run to and avoid extradition and prosecution. Don’t they?

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=16875

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010187.html

]]> By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/#comment-26212 Michael Kenny Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:15:23 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2503#comment-26212 Mr Moses has struck the right note this time, addressing what his own country should do and not telling other people how to run their countries. And, of course, even the most rabid neocons realise that the US can really do nothing. The commentators on the right-wing sites are all babling incoherently. One says the US didn't have to go to war because Georgia is not in NATO. That must be very reassuring in Taiwan! Another says there isn't enough at stake in South Ossetia (English translation = Israel's interests are not affected). That will reassure tiny Estonia and Latvia, although they have the might of Fortress Europe behind them! If people weren't being killed, it would actually be funny! The US has shown that (very wisely!) it is unwilling to go one on one with Russia. That is the shot not heard around the world! There is no point in being a US "ally" if America runs for cover as soon as someone attacks you! Georgia committed a huge chunk of its army (2000 troops) to Iraq and now, they have had to come scuttling home to defend the country their great "ally" will not defend. And, of course, US policy over Kosovo is discredited. And, of course, the pro-Serbia, "territorial integrity", faction in the EU has been proved right and you can expect a strong re-affirmation of the latter principle from Brussels, further undermining the American position. An interesting side effect, though, is that the civilian population has, of course, fled, mostly into North Ossetia (population 715 000). At a guess, much of the pro-Russian element will probably stay there whereas the pro-Georgian faction will return. That tacit piece of ethnic cleansing actually suits everybody, even the Ossetians! I would guess that the anti-Georgian Ossetians will slowly "seep" northwards into Russia and, little by little, the pro-Georgian faction will gain the upper hand. At that point, the problem is solved. A "splendid little war", as someone siad of the Spanish-American War! Mr Moses has struck the right note this time, addressing what his own country should do and not telling other people how to run their countries. And, of course, even the most rabid neocons realise that the US can really do nothing. The commentators on the right-wing sites are all babling incoherently. One says the US didn’t have to go to war because Georgia is not in NATO. That must be very reassuring in Taiwan! Another says there isn’t enough at stake in South Ossetia (English translation = Israel’s interests are not affected). That will reassure tiny Estonia and Latvia, although they have the might of Fortress Europe behind them!

If people weren’t being killed, it would actually be funny! The US has shown that (very wisely!) it is unwilling to go one on one with Russia. That is the shot not heard around the world! There is no point in being a US “ally” if America runs for cover as soon as someone attacks you! Georgia committed a huge chunk of its army (2000 troops) to Iraq and now, they have had to come scuttling home to defend the country their great “ally” will not defend.

And, of course, US policy over Kosovo is discredited. And, of course, the pro-Serbia, “territorial integrity”, faction in the EU has been proved right and you can expect a strong re-affirmation of the latter principle from Brussels, further undermining the American position.

An interesting side effect, though, is that the civilian population has, of course, fled, mostly into North Ossetia (population 715 000). At a guess, much of the pro-Russian element will probably stay there whereas the pro-Georgian faction will return. That tacit piece of ethnic cleansing actually suits everybody, even the Ossetians!

I would guess that the anti-Georgian Ossetians will slowly “seep” northwards into Russia and, little by little, the pro-Georgian faction will gain the upper hand. At that point, the problem is solved.

A “splendid little war”, as someone siad of the Spanish-American War!

]]> By: rjones2818 http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-smell-of-propaganda-in-the-morning-aftermath-of-south-ossetia/#comment-26211 rjones2818 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:03:14 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2503#comment-26211 Izvestia is reporting (yesterday) that a American advisor had been captured (link in Russian): http://www.izvestia.ru/news/news185341 So much for the Times. Izvestia is reporting (yesterday) that a American advisor had been captured (link in Russian): http://www.izvestia.ru/news/news185341

So much for the Times.

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