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	<title>Comments on: The Greenback Blues: Something&#8217;s Gotta Give</title>
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		<title>By: cg</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-greenback-blues-somethings-gotta-give/#comment-26974</link>
		<dc:creator>cg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Blues bands playing at Blues bars in practically every major city in the US and Europe and with tens of millions of albums, tapes, cds, TV specials, awards, books, museums, etc., all shouting the Blues, to say the Blues is ignored is a bit of a stretch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Blues bands playing at Blues bars in practically every major city in the US and Europe and with tens of millions of albums, tapes, cds, TV specials, awards, books, museums, etc., all shouting the Blues, to say the Blues is ignored is a bit of a stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: D. R. Munro</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-greenback-blues-somethings-gotta-give/#comment-26924</link>
		<dc:creator>D. R. Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not trying to be accusatory, but are you suggesting that Rap/HipHop is the sound of the poor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be accusatory, but are you suggesting that Rap/HipHop is the sound of the poor?</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-greenback-blues-somethings-gotta-give/#comment-26923</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cg,

     The BLUES.  To ignore the BLUES is to ignore the voice, songs and sounds of the POOR.

     Rap/HipHop are a modern form of the BLUES.

Deadbeat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cg,</p>
<p>     The BLUES.  To ignore the BLUES is to ignore the voice, songs and sounds of the POOR.</p>
<p>     Rap/HipHop are a modern form of the BLUES.</p>
<p>Deadbeat</p>
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		<title>By: cg</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-greenback-blues-somethings-gotta-give/#comment-26915</link>
		<dc:creator>cg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat, perhaps thirty or fifty years ago, but now youth is pretty much wasted on ALL the young, equally. Black, brown, white, red and blue.
Are you referring to folk heroes like John Henry, etc.? 
Like Johnny Appleseed, he&#039;s pretty much relegated to Captain Dunsel status these days. 
Who (youth) even reads much at all anymore?
How about a couple of relevant examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat, perhaps thirty or fifty years ago, but now youth is pretty much wasted on ALL the young, equally. Black, brown, white, red and blue.<br />
Are you referring to folk heroes like John Henry, etc.?<br />
Like Johnny Appleseed, he&#8217;s pretty much relegated to Captain Dunsel status these days.<br />
Who (youth) even reads much at all anymore?<br />
How about a couple of relevant examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-greenback-blues-somethings-gotta-give/#comment-26879</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Steinbeck and in the coming years there will need to be more books written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Steinbeck and in the coming years there will need to be more books written.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-greenback-blues-somethings-gotta-give/#comment-26862</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No such tales are told by American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters&lt;/i&gt;

Unless you are an African American.  There are many folk tales of the poor if your Black or aware of Black culture.  The problem has always been that the white working class never listen to them because they tend to place race over poverty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No such tales are told by American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters</i></p>
<p>Unless you are an African American.  There are many folk tales of the poor if your Black or aware of Black culture.  The problem has always been that the white working class never listen to them because they tend to place race over poverty.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-greenback-blues-somethings-gotta-give/#comment-26853</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No such tales are told by American poor.   Want to bet on that as I do it almost everyday now on DV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No such tales are told by American poor.   Want to bet on that as I do it almost everyday now on DV.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-greenback-blues-somethings-gotta-give/#comment-26824</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cg that is a very interesting point by Vonnegut.  Think man think</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cg that is a very interesting point by Vonnegut.  Think man think</p>
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		<title>By: cg</title>
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		<dc:creator>cg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. &quot;American poor&quot; makes a rebound.

&quot;Civilization is a limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities.&quot;
Mark Twain

&quot;America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but it&#039;s people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves.... It is in fact a crime for an american to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters.&quot;
Kurt Vonnegut</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. &#8220;American poor&#8221; makes a rebound.</p>
<p>&#8220;Civilization is a limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities.&#8221;<br />
Mark Twain</p>
<p>&#8220;America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but it&#8217;s people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves&#8230;. It is in fact a crime for an american to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters.&#8221;<br />
Kurt Vonnegut</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/the-greenback-blues-somethings-gotta-give/#comment-26803</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notwithstanding the hyperbole of the first sentence, Mr Whitney has a point. There will be no soft landing for anyone and I don&#039;t think anyone in Europe ever imagined there would be. &quot;Decoupling&quot; is under way but will not be fully effective for a few years, and will probably require the collapse of the dollar to be really effective. 

Of course, the high Euro was a psychological boost but an ecoonomic problem and what has happened i.e. a Euro that soars and then drops is probably the best of all possible worlds from Europe&#039;s point of view. Europeans now see that the Euro is a &quot;real&quot; currency but exporters are not priced out of their markets.

I wonder though if the sudden drop in the oil price and concomitant rise in the dollar isn&#039;t part of an electoral strategy. Create the impression that &quot;the corner has been turned&quot; just before the election,  get Obama elected, then pull the rug from under him and let the air out of the credit bubble, blame him for the subsequent economic collapse and take him out in 2012. Whoever is president when the &quot;hard landing&quot; occurs is going to be very unpopular and I would guess that the financial elite (essentially Republican) would probably prefer that a Democrat &quot;took the hit&quot;.

Ambrose and the plague of locusts. In a previous professional incarnation, I once had lunch with Ambrose and he is a total screwball! He assured me (quite seriously!) that LBJ&#039;s Great Society consisted essentially of opening the insane asylums and turning the patients out on to the street so that they could vote! When I suggested that maybe that was how Reagan got elected, he was far from pleased! The fire and brimstone tone of the quote is vintage Ambrose and should not be taken too seriously!

Final point. Don&#039;t ever forget that what is regarded as dire poverty in Europe or Japan or the US would be regarded as great riches by most of mankind. However hard the landing in the rich countries, it&#039;s going to be even harder for the vast majortiy of the human race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notwithstanding the hyperbole of the first sentence, Mr Whitney has a point. There will be no soft landing for anyone and I don&#8217;t think anyone in Europe ever imagined there would be. &#8220;Decoupling&#8221; is under way but will not be fully effective for a few years, and will probably require the collapse of the dollar to be really effective. </p>
<p>Of course, the high Euro was a psychological boost but an ecoonomic problem and what has happened i.e. a Euro that soars and then drops is probably the best of all possible worlds from Europe&#8217;s point of view. Europeans now see that the Euro is a &#8220;real&#8221; currency but exporters are not priced out of their markets.</p>
<p>I wonder though if the sudden drop in the oil price and concomitant rise in the dollar isn&#8217;t part of an electoral strategy. Create the impression that &#8220;the corner has been turned&#8221; just before the election,  get Obama elected, then pull the rug from under him and let the air out of the credit bubble, blame him for the subsequent economic collapse and take him out in 2012. Whoever is president when the &#8220;hard landing&#8221; occurs is going to be very unpopular and I would guess that the financial elite (essentially Republican) would probably prefer that a Democrat &#8220;took the hit&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ambrose and the plague of locusts. In a previous professional incarnation, I once had lunch with Ambrose and he is a total screwball! He assured me (quite seriously!) that LBJ&#8217;s Great Society consisted essentially of opening the insane asylums and turning the patients out on to the street so that they could vote! When I suggested that maybe that was how Reagan got elected, he was far from pleased! The fire and brimstone tone of the quote is vintage Ambrose and should not be taken too seriously!</p>
<p>Final point. Don&#8217;t ever forget that what is regarded as dire poverty in Europe or Japan or the US would be regarded as great riches by most of mankind. However hard the landing in the rich countries, it&#8217;s going to be even harder for the vast majortiy of the human race.</p>
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