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	<title>Comments on: Putin&#8217;s Options: Flyswatter or Blunderbuss?</title>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/putins-options-flyswatter-or-blunderbuss/#comment-26372</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anybody done a study on who starts wars and why?  You know go all the way back and then see if you can find a common denominator.  See if we could find groups that seemed to think war is the answer.  The war in Iraq was about oil.  Come on it is pretty much known now that was the reason.  So let&#039;s go with that and was this war about oil for the American people all the American people or maybe just a few American people?  I googled the question in history who has started wars and why study.  Most of what I saw was about only one war.  So these wars now can we find a common denominator?  Mother Jones did an article on this and it was about a study the thinkers at the Pentagon did and is titled,&quot; Don&#039;t Know Much About History&quot;.  It was good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody done a study on who starts wars and why?  You know go all the way back and then see if you can find a common denominator.  See if we could find groups that seemed to think war is the answer.  The war in Iraq was about oil.  Come on it is pretty much known now that was the reason.  So let&#8217;s go with that and was this war about oil for the American people all the American people or maybe just a few American people?  I googled the question in history who has started wars and why study.  Most of what I saw was about only one war.  So these wars now can we find a common denominator?  Mother Jones did an article on this and it was about a study the thinkers at the Pentagon did and is titled,&#8221; Don&#8217;t Know Much About History&#8221;.  It was good.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/putins-options-flyswatter-or-blunderbuss/#comment-26354</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also I think Mike Whitney&#039;s analysis is correct.  Here&#039;s one from the opposite end of the political spectrum by Paul Craig Roberts...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08132008.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Two Morons: Bush and Saakashvili &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also I think Mike Whitney&#8217;s analysis is correct.  Here&#8217;s one from the opposite end of the political spectrum by Paul Craig Roberts&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08132008.html" rel="nofollow">Two Morons: Bush and Saakashvili </a></p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/putins-options-flyswatter-or-blunderbuss/#comment-26353</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think conflict and crisis is &quot;War for Oil&quot; (tm).  This is all part of the neoconservative or as James Petras says the ZPC geopolitical brinkmanship.  The neocons hubris is about extending the power of the ZPC to all corners.  They want to weaken the Russians by surrounding them with Western puppets.  Exploitation of the resources is ancillary to their overall goal of hegemony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think conflict and crisis is &#8220;War for Oil&#8221; &#8482;.  This is all part of the neoconservative or as James Petras says the ZPC geopolitical brinkmanship.  The neocons hubris is about extending the power of the ZPC to all corners.  They want to weaken the Russians by surrounding them with Western puppets.  Exploitation of the resources is ancillary to their overall goal of hegemony.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/putins-options-flyswatter-or-blunderbuss/#comment-26349</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The end of living and the beginning of survival” for humankind. Or perhaps the beginning of our extinction.  The economy, wars so far we always get a second chance climate change global warming I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The end of living and the beginning of survival” for humankind. Or perhaps the beginning of our extinction.  The economy, wars so far we always get a second chance climate change global warming I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Ray</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/putins-options-flyswatter-or-blunderbuss/#comment-26342</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats nice Donald But what has it to do with Georgia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats nice Donald But what has it to do with Georgia?</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/putins-options-flyswatter-or-blunderbuss/#comment-26341</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this the other day and is it true of course it is and what I put is not something going to happen it is already underway.  Still time and what you hear or listen too on TV is well nothing.  These people know but I guess the rest of us are too stupid to understand and that is where I must say the people who need to get started on this and quickly are the ones who are stupid.  You see them everyday on TV talking nonsense like little children.

We need to get prepared for four degrees of global warming, Bob Watson told the Guardian last week. At first sight this looks like wise counsel from the climate science adviser to Defra. But the idea that we could adapt to a 4C rise is absurd and dangerous. Global warming on this scale would be a catastrophe that would mean, in the immortal words that Chief Seattle probably never spoke, &quot;the end of living and the beginning of survival&quot; for humankind. Or perhaps the beginning of our extinction.

The collapse of the polar ice caps would become inevitable, bringing long-term sea level rises of 70-80 metres. All the world&#039;s coastal plains would be lost, complete with ports, cities, transport and industrial infrastructure, and much of the world&#039;s most productive farmland. The world&#039;s geography would be transformed much as it was at the end of the last ice age, when sea levels rose by about 120 metres to create the Channel, the North Sea and Cardigan Bay out of dry land. Weather would become extreme and unpredictable, with more frequent and severe droughts, floods and hurricanes. The Earth&#039;s carrying capacity would be hugely reduced. Billions would undoubtedly die.

Watson&#039;s call was supported by the government&#039;s former chief scientific adviser, Sir David King, who warned that &quot;if we get to a four-degree rise it is quite possible that we would begin to see a runaway increase&quot;. This is a remarkable understatement. The climate system is already experiencing significant feedbacks, notably the summer melting of the Arctic sea ice. The more the ice melts, the more sunshine is absorbed by the sea, and the more the Arctic warms. And as the Arctic warms, the release of billions of tonnes of methane – a greenhouse gas 70 times stronger than carbon dioxide over 20 years – captured under melting permafrost is already under way.

To see how far this process could go, look 55.5m years to the Palaeocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, when a global temperature increase of 6C coincided with the release of about 5,000 gigatonnes of carbon into the atmosphere, both as CO2 and as methane from bogs and seabed sediments. Lush subtropical forests grew in polar regions, and sea levels rose to 100m higher than today. It appears that an initial warming pulse triggered other warming processes. Many scientists warn that this historical event may be analogous to the present: the warming caused by human emissions could propel us towards a similar hothouse Earth.  The Guardian, UK



Now the boundary&#039;s that certain people would like to keep us in the boundary&#039;s of the mind is probably not a good idea anymore.  Now are President said yesterday that this is a heck of away to act in the twenty first century.  I think he maybe on to something there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this the other day and is it true of course it is and what I put is not something going to happen it is already underway.  Still time and what you hear or listen too on TV is well nothing.  These people know but I guess the rest of us are too stupid to understand and that is where I must say the people who need to get started on this and quickly are the ones who are stupid.  You see them everyday on TV talking nonsense like little children.</p>
<p>We need to get prepared for four degrees of global warming, Bob Watson told the Guardian last week. At first sight this looks like wise counsel from the climate science adviser to Defra. But the idea that we could adapt to a 4C rise is absurd and dangerous. Global warming on this scale would be a catastrophe that would mean, in the immortal words that Chief Seattle probably never spoke, &#8220;the end of living and the beginning of survival&#8221; for humankind. Or perhaps the beginning of our extinction.</p>
<p>The collapse of the polar ice caps would become inevitable, bringing long-term sea level rises of 70-80 metres. All the world&#8217;s coastal plains would be lost, complete with ports, cities, transport and industrial infrastructure, and much of the world&#8217;s most productive farmland. The world&#8217;s geography would be transformed much as it was at the end of the last ice age, when sea levels rose by about 120 metres to create the Channel, the North Sea and Cardigan Bay out of dry land. Weather would become extreme and unpredictable, with more frequent and severe droughts, floods and hurricanes. The Earth&#8217;s carrying capacity would be hugely reduced. Billions would undoubtedly die.</p>
<p>Watson&#8217;s call was supported by the government&#8217;s former chief scientific adviser, Sir David King, who warned that &#8220;if we get to a four-degree rise it is quite possible that we would begin to see a runaway increase&#8221;. This is a remarkable understatement. The climate system is already experiencing significant feedbacks, notably the summer melting of the Arctic sea ice. The more the ice melts, the more sunshine is absorbed by the sea, and the more the Arctic warms. And as the Arctic warms, the release of billions of tonnes of methane – a greenhouse gas 70 times stronger than carbon dioxide over 20 years – captured under melting permafrost is already under way.</p>
<p>To see how far this process could go, look 55.5m years to the Palaeocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, when a global temperature increase of 6C coincided with the release of about 5,000 gigatonnes of carbon into the atmosphere, both as CO2 and as methane from bogs and seabed sediments. Lush subtropical forests grew in polar regions, and sea levels rose to 100m higher than today. It appears that an initial warming pulse triggered other warming processes. Many scientists warn that this historical event may be analogous to the present: the warming caused by human emissions could propel us towards a similar hothouse Earth.  The Guardian, UK</p>
<p>Now the boundary&#8217;s that certain people would like to keep us in the boundary&#8217;s of the mind is probably not a good idea anymore.  Now are President said yesterday that this is a heck of away to act in the twenty first century.  I think he maybe on to something there.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am somewhat confused is Bush an evil genius or an utter fool. You read one of these yellow rags and you are told that the man is a drooling idiot and the next article tells how he is the mastermind that rules the world. A puppet master who has the whole world dancing to his twisted plan. The same thought applies to America, are we the evil master race, the successors to Nazi Germany or a bunch of third rate bunglers. Who can’t do anything right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am somewhat confused is Bush an evil genius or an utter fool. You read one of these yellow rags and you are told that the man is a drooling idiot and the next article tells how he is the mastermind that rules the world. A puppet master who has the whole world dancing to his twisted plan. The same thought applies to America, are we the evil master race, the successors to Nazi Germany or a bunch of third rate bunglers. Who can’t do anything right.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/putins-options-flyswatter-or-blunderbuss/#comment-26336</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always chuckle at Mr Whitney’s “American supremacist” ideology! We poor Untermenschen could never come up with anything on our own! Nothing in the world could possibly happen other than by diktat of the goose-stepping gringo master race! You will recall that he did much the same thing after the release of Ingrid Betancourt. He waited until the debate had subsided and then came in with an article claiming that the whole thing had been masterminded from Washington.

He claims that Saakashvili “would never dream of launching a massive military attack unless he got explicit orders from his bosses at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave”. What an arrogant, racist statement! Why would Washington “order” him to do something that anyone with a lick of common sense could see was going to blow up in Saakashvili’s (and Washington’s!) face? 

He also puts forward as proof of this dastardly conspiracy the fact that “President Bush has avoided ordering Georgian troops to withdraw”.  By what stretch of rascist delusion and political naiveté does Mr Whitney imagine that the President of the US would openly “order” the troops of a foreign country to do anything. Or that they would obey him! He doesn’t even do that to the Iraqi army! And, of course, he didn’t order the Russian army to stop fighting either! By Mr Whitneys’s logic that means that he wanted the Russians to continue the fight and that Medvedev is an American stooge!

Then he starts to contradict himself.  First, the whole thing is about Russia, then it’s about Iran, then it’s about oil. Then it’s not an American operation at all but wiley old Putin (he adopts the neocon practice of refusing to recognise Medvedev!) consolidating his position in the rest of Europe. In other words, the whole thing was a Russian set up, which contradicts the idea of “orders” from Washington or “Pentagon planners ... working hand in hand with Georgian generals for months in advance”! In other words, he claims that the Russians set up the Georgians to set up the Americans who would then set up the Georgians to set up the Russians to set up the Americans whereas the “inside” story is that Russia was really trying to set up the Georgians to set up the Americans to set up the EU.  I hope I’ve got that straight!

Common sense tells us that Georgia was just a monumental screw-up, not some super-clever American conspiracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always chuckle at Mr Whitney’s “American supremacist” ideology! We poor Untermenschen could never come up with anything on our own! Nothing in the world could possibly happen other than by diktat of the goose-stepping gringo master race! You will recall that he did much the same thing after the release of Ingrid Betancourt. He waited until the debate had subsided and then came in with an article claiming that the whole thing had been masterminded from Washington.</p>
<p>He claims that Saakashvili “would never dream of launching a massive military attack unless he got explicit orders from his bosses at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave”. What an arrogant, racist statement! Why would Washington “order” him to do something that anyone with a lick of common sense could see was going to blow up in Saakashvili’s (and Washington’s!) face? </p>
<p>He also puts forward as proof of this dastardly conspiracy the fact that “President Bush has avoided ordering Georgian troops to withdraw”.  By what stretch of rascist delusion and political naiveté does Mr Whitney imagine that the President of the US would openly “order” the troops of a foreign country to do anything. Or that they would obey him! He doesn’t even do that to the Iraqi army! And, of course, he didn’t order the Russian army to stop fighting either! By Mr Whitneys’s logic that means that he wanted the Russians to continue the fight and that Medvedev is an American stooge!</p>
<p>Then he starts to contradict himself.  First, the whole thing is about Russia, then it’s about Iran, then it’s about oil. Then it’s not an American operation at all but wiley old Putin (he adopts the neocon practice of refusing to recognise Medvedev!) consolidating his position in the rest of Europe. In other words, the whole thing was a Russian set up, which contradicts the idea of “orders” from Washington or “Pentagon planners &#8230; working hand in hand with Georgian generals for months in advance”! In other words, he claims that the Russians set up the Georgians to set up the Americans who would then set up the Georgians to set up the Russians to set up the Americans whereas the “inside” story is that Russia was really trying to set up the Georgians to set up the Americans to set up the EU.  I hope I’ve got that straight!</p>
<p>Common sense tells us that Georgia was just a monumental screw-up, not some super-clever American conspiracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/putins-options-flyswatter-or-blunderbuss/#comment-26335</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So again this is about fossil fuels and all that money and I guess these people who play the game well it gives them something to do you know keeps them out of trouble.  The fossil fuels in the ground right now if used will bring human civilization to a very bad end and yet we all must move forward with there thinking.  Going out in style and having fun and games with twisted logic and is this the thinking that these so called elites use knowing full well what will happen with this thinking.  It sure looks like it to me.  As far as going out in style no, no, no style is the wrong word pathetic is a much better word brainless works too idiots fits well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So again this is about fossil fuels and all that money and I guess these people who play the game well it gives them something to do you know keeps them out of trouble.  The fossil fuels in the ground right now if used will bring human civilization to a very bad end and yet we all must move forward with there thinking.  Going out in style and having fun and games with twisted logic and is this the thinking that these so called elites use knowing full well what will happen with this thinking.  It sure looks like it to me.  As far as going out in style no, no, no style is the wrong word pathetic is a much better word brainless works too idiots fits well.</p>
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