Comments on: On Acts of Moral Reprehensibility and Illegality http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/on-acts-of-moral-reprehensibility-and-illegality/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:12:24 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Giorgio http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/on-acts-of-moral-reprehensibility-and-illegality/#comment-25938 Giorgio Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:16:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2464#comment-25938 STOP the PSCHOPATHS before it's too late! SIGN below: "A Petition for United Nations Sanctions Against America" http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/help-stop-global-death-and-destruction The goal is 100,000,000 signatures! So far it has only 260+ and it seems to be growing at a snail's pace. By the year 3008 we might reach the intended target! But with a push we might get the goal by November,2008! AH!AH!AH!AH! NB. the AH!s are just from utter and absolute frustration.... STOP the PSCHOPATHS before it’s too late!

SIGN below:

“A Petition for United Nations Sanctions Against America”

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/help-stop-global-death-and-destruction

The goal is 100,000,000 signatures!
So far it has only 260+ and it seems to be growing at a snail’s pace.
By the year 3008 we might reach the intended target!
But with a push we might get the goal by November,2008!
AH!AH!AH!AH!

NB. the AH!s are just from utter and absolute frustration….

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/on-acts-of-moral-reprehensibility-and-illegality/#comment-25915 Hue Longer Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:15:13 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2464#comment-25915 Sociopath: "I didn't do it because doing it would have been wrong" Sociopath: “I didn’t do it because doing it would have been wrong”

]]> By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/on-acts-of-moral-reprehensibility-and-illegality/#comment-25905 Michael Kenny Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:46:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2464#comment-25905 The original story was that Karadzic was protected by the Serbian intelligence services and "given up" for some reason. That the US was unaware of that seems unlikely. Barefaced lying is the stock in trade of the murky world of the intelligence services and none of the parties involved are the slightest bit credible. More interesting though is why he was given up when he was, i.e. on the heels of Obama's Berlin speech. Karadzic wasn't a very big story here in Europe (we are all sick and fed up of ex-Yugoslavia!) but it drove out of the headlines the criticisms of the speech that were beginning to surface as people read the actual text. On the other hand, it reminded people that the mess in ex-Yugoslavia is the handiwork of the last Democratic president, a liberal interventionist, as the speech suggest Obama also is. The Serbs will probably have grasped that point whereas the Americans (naive as ever!) probably didn't and may well have thought that Europe would perceive Karadzic's arrest as an "American" triumph. The dawning of the Age of Obama, so to speak. The original story was that Karadzic was protected by the Serbian intelligence services and “given up” for some reason. That the US was unaware of that seems unlikely. Barefaced lying is the stock in trade of the murky world of the intelligence services and none of the parties involved are the slightest bit credible.

More interesting though is why he was given up when he was, i.e. on the heels of Obama’s Berlin speech. Karadzic wasn’t a very big story here in Europe (we are all sick and fed up of ex-Yugoslavia!) but it drove out of the headlines the criticisms of the speech that were beginning to surface as people read the actual text. On the other hand, it reminded people that the mess in ex-Yugoslavia is the handiwork of the last Democratic president, a liberal interventionist, as the speech suggest Obama also is. The Serbs will probably have grasped that point whereas the Americans (naive as ever!) probably didn’t and may well have thought that Europe would perceive Karadzic’s arrest as an “American” triumph. The dawning of the Age of Obama, so to speak.

]]> By: DL http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/on-acts-of-moral-reprehensibility-and-illegality/#comment-25904 DL Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:40:24 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2464#comment-25904 Whether or not one considers cases 1--3 indisputable, you know perfectly well that people will dispute your conclusions. More relevant might be a study of those morally reprehensible and illegal US covert operations now fairly well documented as having occurred. Some of these led to the Church hearings in the Senate, resulting in reforms largely overturned in the wake of 9/11. Anyone who has studied the CIA knows a condition for a deal as described would be "plausible deniability". In other words, try proving it. Flat-out denial would always be the official line, whether or not it were true. Whether or not one considers cases 1–3 indisputable, you know perfectly well that people will dispute your conclusions. More relevant might be a study of those morally reprehensible and illegal US covert operations now fairly well documented as having occurred. Some of these led to the Church hearings in the Senate, resulting in reforms largely overturned in the wake of 9/11. Anyone who has studied the CIA knows a condition for a deal as described would be “plausible deniability”. In other words, try proving it. Flat-out denial would always be the official line, whether or not it were true.

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/on-acts-of-moral-reprehensibility-and-illegality/#comment-25897 bozhidar balkas Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:00:24 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2464#comment-25897 as kim says one can't evaluate as true that US hadn't made a deal w. karadzic. and as long as we don't see the document bearing signatures of sacirbey, karadzic, buha, and holbrooke under the text of the agreemnet, we might as well drop the whole affair. facts r serbia had started 4 wars since '91. serb abrogation of kosovo autonomy was, to me, an act of war. alleged criminals shld face ICC and not ICCY. but US being the law for so long, ICCY will have to do. 3 croat'n generals, gotovina, cermak, and merkac r being prosecuted for excessive/unselective bombardment of knin in n. dalmatia and prevention of serb return to their former habitat after leaving the area just before croat'n attack. that's the testimony of peter galbraith. it shld be noted that dalmatian and other serbs came to croatia in 1600s. the two peoples had until 1850s lived in relative harmony. it was after serb liberation from turks to which wallachs, poles, austrians, germans, croats, slovenians, bosnians, monte negrins, hungarians, rumanians, bulgarians, czechs, and slovaks contribued a lot, that serbs issued a challenge to croats, Fight to the finish; yours or ours. the challenge was ab gathering all serbs in one land. it was a disastrous aim. now karadzic, hadzic, mladic must stand trial. interesting ab hadzic and karadzic is that both names have turkic roots. also interesting is the fact that pavelic, ustashe leader, was married to a jew. while his right hand man was eugen kvaternik, a jew. thank u as kim says one can’t evaluate as true that US hadn’t made a deal w. karadzic.
and as long as we don’t see the document bearing signatures of sacirbey, karadzic, buha, and holbrooke under the text of the agreemnet, we might as well drop the whole affair.
facts r serbia had started 4 wars since ‘91. serb abrogation of kosovo autonomy was, to me, an act of war.
alleged criminals shld face ICC and not ICCY. but US being the law for so long, ICCY will have to do.
3 croat’n generals, gotovina, cermak, and merkac r being prosecuted for excessive/unselective bombardment of knin in n. dalmatia and prevention of serb return to their former habitat after leaving the area just before croat’n attack.
that’s the testimony of peter galbraith.
it shld be noted that dalmatian and other serbs came to croatia in 1600s.
the two peoples had until 1850s lived in relative harmony. it was after serb liberation from turks to which wallachs, poles, austrians, germans, croats, slovenians, bosnians, monte negrins, hungarians, rumanians, bulgarians, czechs, and slovaks contribued a lot, that serbs issued a challenge to croats, Fight to the finish; yours or ours.
the challenge was ab gathering all serbs in one land.
it was a disastrous aim.
now karadzic, hadzic, mladic must stand trial. interesting ab hadzic and karadzic is that both names have turkic roots. also interesting is the fact that pavelic, ustashe leader, was married to a jew.
while his right hand man was eugen kvaternik, a jew.
thank u

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