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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-28798</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful article. I laughed as I read the fake Obama speech. It was very forthright, rational, honest, and actually fairly conservative. There was nothing controversial in it. I won&#039;t hold my breath for it though. Unfortunately a lot of Americans have chosen to be fooled by Obama&#039;s public relations campaign. We&#039;ll see what happens as policy continues its hawkish form under either candidate. That is guaranteed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful article. I laughed as I read the fake Obama speech. It was very forthright, rational, honest, and actually fairly conservative. There was nothing controversial in it. I won&#8217;t hold my breath for it though. Unfortunately a lot of Americans have chosen to be fooled by Obama&#8217;s public relations campaign. We&#8217;ll see what happens as policy continues its hawkish form under either candidate. That is guaranteed.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27558</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bozhidar balkas 

Let&#039;s see if this analogy works - keep hitting the body and the head will fall...</description>
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<p>Let&#8217;s see if this analogy works &#8211; keep hitting the body and the head will fall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27489</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>max,
to me, changing US  or any other governance, is by far more important than changing any other phenomenon.
there is no doubt in my mind that in US  you have a one-party system.
add  to this the fact that US is governed by plutos.
and with much help from sacerdotal class which always or almost always sides with the ruling class, and you have what you have.
thanx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>max,<br />
to me, changing US  or any other governance, is by far more important than changing any other phenomenon.<br />
there is no doubt in my mind that in US  you have a one-party system.<br />
add  to this the fact that US is governed by plutos.<br />
and with much help from sacerdotal class which always or almost always sides with the ruling class, and you have what you have.<br />
thanx</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27482</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bozhidar balkas 

I didn&#039;t mean to imply changing US governance.

The US is an oversized behemoth loosely connected by an income tax and interstate highway system. The POTUS is primarily a Commander In Chief of War Incorporated. Such is the USA....

So, no. That is not even worthy of my energies. What I mean is that the System is equipped to command and control, morph and coopt and turn topsey turvey (weeee goes Alice down the rabbit hole)  talking points and whatever is needed to keep the Washington Concensus moving forward with it&#039;s blended coalition of the elite and it&#039;s Commander In Chief of War Incoporated. The rest is window dressing on how to keep the little people happy enough so they don&#039;t do anything natsty, like revolt.

The real change, the kind that matters to are daily life, not the abstract nation-state upseydaisy stuff, happens at ground level where Margaret Mead&#039;s quote can effectivley apply.

You cannot fight, head on, the System. It absorbs and contorts and makes you dizzy with Orwellian speak so that left is right is left...and we all go home a winner - don&#039;t ya know!! For the the hallucinated voyageurs to Convention city - god bless and good night.

The real work is right in front of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bozhidar balkas </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to imply changing US governance.</p>
<p>The US is an oversized behemoth loosely connected by an income tax and interstate highway system. The POTUS is primarily a Commander In Chief of War Incorporated. Such is the USA&#8230;.</p>
<p>So, no. That is not even worthy of my energies. What I mean is that the System is equipped to command and control, morph and coopt and turn topsey turvey (weeee goes Alice down the rabbit hole)  talking points and whatever is needed to keep the Washington Concensus moving forward with it&#8217;s blended coalition of the elite and it&#8217;s Commander In Chief of War Incoporated. The rest is window dressing on how to keep the little people happy enough so they don&#8217;t do anything natsty, like revolt.</p>
<p>The real change, the kind that matters to are daily life, not the abstract nation-state upseydaisy stuff, happens at ground level where Margaret Mead&#8217;s quote can effectivley apply.</p>
<p>You cannot fight, head on, the System. It absorbs and contorts and makes you dizzy with Orwellian speak so that left is right is left&#8230;and we all go home a winner &#8211; don&#8217;t ya know!! For the the hallucinated voyageurs to Convention city &#8211; god bless and good night.</p>
<p>The real work is right in front of us.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27471</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course m. mead was overgeneralizing when she said a small group of people can change the world.
the answers true and false do not apply to generalizations.
the question to be asked about this generalization is to ask, where, when, how, for better or worse, on which level.
on intranational level just about everywhere small or even large number of people haven&#039;t changed the structure of governance  in US, and in many lands an iota.
one  or few doctors can change the world for better. a carpenter may alos change the world for better.how about better governance/election/government? let&#039;s say in US?
the answer is clear! it may be getting even worse. than k u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course m. mead was overgeneralizing when she said a small group of people can change the world.<br />
the answers true and false do not apply to generalizations.<br />
the question to be asked about this generalization is to ask, where, when, how, for better or worse, on which level.<br />
on intranational level just about everywhere small or even large number of people haven&#8217;t changed the structure of governance  in US, and in many lands an iota.<br />
one  or few doctors can change the world for better. a carpenter may alos change the world for better.how about better governance/election/government? let&#8217;s say in US?<br />
the answer is clear! it may be getting even worse. than k u</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27458</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat, First I do take what your saying here, and elsewhere as a consistent position you strongly believe in. I do not mean to belittle what you&#039;re saying as much as disagree with your analysis.

You say, for example, &quot;It means understanding that his support by the African American community and young people is simply more than race.&quot;

Why African American&#039;s support in huge voting numbers the Dems regardless of color is a mix of Dem machine in those communities coupled with the 1964 Civil Rights Bill (which was signed into law by a Dem president and voted for in mix bipartisan fashion). The Dems have been able to parlay that with the New Deal, the myth of John Kennedy and the legacy of Robert Kennedy into a &quot;no brainer&quot; for minority electorate. That&#039;s sweeping but Obama brings nothing to this equation that&#039;s different from Kerry or Gore, Mondale or Dukakis, with the exception of color.

Solidarity is an issue, but movement is the biggest issue. I agree with Green values and most of the candidates they put up align with those. But Parties are instruments which can be readily bought and undermined.

Bigger still is the center of power and the System that swallows dissention for breakfast. Still, and here, I believe in the words of Mead:

&quot;Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it&#039;s the only thing that ever has.&quot;
Margaret Mead

The neocons and neoliberals are not large groups and yet in almost every aspect of American life they affect domestic and foreign policy like no other group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat, First I do take what your saying here, and elsewhere as a consistent position you strongly believe in. I do not mean to belittle what you&#8217;re saying as much as disagree with your analysis.</p>
<p>You say, for example, &#8220;It means understanding that his support by the African American community and young people is simply more than race.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why African American&#8217;s support in huge voting numbers the Dems regardless of color is a mix of Dem machine in those communities coupled with the 1964 Civil Rights Bill (which was signed into law by a Dem president and voted for in mix bipartisan fashion). The Dems have been able to parlay that with the New Deal, the myth of John Kennedy and the legacy of Robert Kennedy into a &#8220;no brainer&#8221; for minority electorate. That&#8217;s sweeping but Obama brings nothing to this equation that&#8217;s different from Kerry or Gore, Mondale or Dukakis, with the exception of color.</p>
<p>Solidarity is an issue, but movement is the biggest issue. I agree with Green values and most of the candidates they put up align with those. But Parties are instruments which can be readily bought and undermined.</p>
<p>Bigger still is the center of power and the System that swallows dissention for breakfast. Still, and here, I believe in the words of Mead:</p>
<p>&#8220;Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it&#8217;s the only thing that ever has.&#8221;<br />
Margaret Mead</p>
<p>The neocons and neoliberals are not large groups and yet in almost every aspect of American life they affect domestic and foreign policy like no other group.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27445</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speaking of the Left. are we speaking of the Left in &#039;rica or &#039;rican Left?
if i understand correctly, posters on dv say that the Left in US is the democratic party; now also called  &quot;progressives&quot;.
i do not know what  the  progressives stand for.
if dems are Left to most or some amers, one might just as well be for the Right. i only see minor differences betwn them. thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speaking of the Left. are we speaking of the Left in &#8216;rica or &#8216;rican Left?<br />
if i understand correctly, posters on dv say that the Left in US is the democratic party; now also called  &#8220;progressives&#8221;.<br />
i do not know what  the  progressives stand for.<br />
if dems are Left to most or some amers, one might just as well be for the Right. i only see minor differences betwn them. thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27409</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat this is what you quoted: &quot;I would say that the self-destruction of the American left has a lot
to do with our current problems. When an opportunity to build a
nation-wide leftist movement was squandered by miseducated
“Marxist-Leninists”, naturally there will be relative quiescence.
That in fact is one of the reasons I am so committed to building this
mailing list, so as to avoid future feet-shooting possibilities in the future. 

– Louis Proyect, founder of Marxmail&quot;

If that is not &quot;blaming&quot; than I don&#039;t know what is. The problem with you pointing this and that finger at a &quot;left&quot; is that the left is &quot;amorphous&quot;. Is the left what the media think Obama is? Or what the PDA or Nation Magazine purports to be? Or is it the National Green Party, or Labor Party or Socialist Party? 

Exactly who are you talking about when you say the &quot;left&quot; have  &quot;self-destruct[ed]&quot;. Maoists? Black Panthers? SDS?

Give me someBODY. Is there a spokesperson?

You see every time I ask you these kinds of questions you either ignor them or simply turn the argument around and act like your getting somewhere.

I&#039;m willing to listen, but be specific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat this is what you quoted: &#8220;I would say that the self-destruction of the American left has a lot<br />
to do with our current problems. When an opportunity to build a<br />
nation-wide leftist movement was squandered by miseducated<br />
“Marxist-Leninists”, naturally there will be relative quiescence.<br />
That in fact is one of the reasons I am so committed to building this<br />
mailing list, so as to avoid future feet-shooting possibilities in the future. </p>
<p>– Louis Proyect, founder of Marxmail&#8221;</p>
<p>If that is not &#8220;blaming&#8221; than I don&#8217;t know what is. The problem with you pointing this and that finger at a &#8220;left&#8221; is that the left is &#8220;amorphous&#8221;. Is the left what the media think Obama is? Or what the PDA or Nation Magazine purports to be? Or is it the National Green Party, or Labor Party or Socialist Party? </p>
<p>Exactly who are you talking about when you say the &#8220;left&#8221; have  &#8220;self-destruct[ed]&#8220;. Maoists? Black Panthers? SDS?</p>
<p>Give me someBODY. Is there a spokesperson?</p>
<p>You see every time I ask you these kinds of questions you either ignor them or simply turn the argument around and act like your getting somewhere.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to listen, but be specific.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27397</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max Shields says ...
&lt;i&gt;But it is worthless and energy sapping to “blame the left”.&lt;/i&gt;
I disagree.  The ANALYSIS is not &quot;blame the left&quot; but IDENTIFYING where the real problems lie and what to do about them.  To use dismissive descriptors as &quot;blame the left&quot; is a device to OBSCURE where REAL PROBLEMS lie and to DENY and to DEFY analysis.

What it means is that BEFORE you can challenge &quot;bare-knuckled POWER&quot; you have to CLEAN HOUSE and GET ORGANIZED.  Getting organized means building the institutional structured needed to challenge the power structure.  Unfortunately, the LEFT was thoroughly responsible for the diffusion of the anti-war movement and had NOT adhered to its own principles that are vital in order to build solidarity.  And without solidarity there is no chance in hell of any real challenge to POWER.

What does SOLIDARITY mean?  The lack of solidarity is the CORE of my critique of the Left.  SOLIDARITY means that if I put my ass on the line that I know you got my back.  

It is a betrayal of solidarity when the Left diffused the anti-war movement.  When the Left rallies behind Cynthia McKinney and not hold her accountable for her war vote the Left&#039;s motives are questionable.  When the Left obscure a heinous political ideology rather than challenge it head on it reflects an ability to betray their purported principles.

These undercurrents leave the Left with the strategic hope of rhetorically “blaming all Democrats” and the worsening of conditions to increase its ranks.  However this is a rather weak strategy and why the Left is rather agitated with Obama.  Obama &quot;temporarily&quot; disrupts this Machiavellian plan.  The irony however is that Obama’s rise is due directly to the Left&#039;s failure.  But most importantly worsening of conditions will be most felt by those traditionally on the lowest economic rungs -- people of color particularly African Americans.

This is also why ironically the McKinney/Clemente ticket by the Greens needs to be watched carefully.  However Ralph Nader on &lt;i&gt;Democracy Now!&lt;/i&gt; this week provides the best analysis when asked why he didn’t run as a Green: 
&lt;i&gt;RALPH NADER: Because it’s just too &lt;b&gt;disorganized&lt;/b&gt;. They can’t—they can’t put it together. They bicker a lot, and &lt;b&gt;they drive out a lot of good Greens who want to focus on agendas&lt;/b&gt;. I wish them well. I wish Cynthia McKinney well. I wish people would continue to support us and send contributions to votenader.org. But the liberal, progressive press, if they do not support those of us who are taking their agenda inside the presidential election arena—a propos my letter to Jim Hightower, Bill Greider and Bob Kuttner—they’re going nowhere. They’re just whistling in the dark. And most of them, with the exception of John Nichols, have been ignoring or actually undermining the Nader-Gonzalez campaign. So we’re going to generate this kind of debate within what I like to call the liberal intelligentsia.&lt;/i&gt;

McKinney/Clemente is either positioning the Green Party to attract disaffected people of color into their ranks especially when Obama betrays their interest.  It is clear that Obama&#039;s Achilles heel is going to be his appeasement to Zionism and that may undo his administration as it did Jimmy Carter before him.

Or McKinney/Clemente is going to attract these disaffected people of color into a disorganized institution that will eventually retard these disaffected folks and sap their energy.  These folks cannot wait 4, 8, 16, or 20 years for the Green Party to become a real force.  They need solutions NOW.  Therefore they will vote for the “least worst” since the Left is intuitionally weak.

Analyzing the issues, problems and failure of the Left rather than obscuring those means understanding the real underpinnings of the Obama phenomenon.  It means understanding that his support by the African American community and young people is simply more than race.  Even as race plays a huge role in this election.

The Left&#039;s failure provided THE opportunity for Obama while the Left remains flatfooted.  The Left&#039;s squandered the opportunity provided by the anti-war movement to attract the very PEOPLE that are attracted into the Obama campaign.  The unraveling of the anti-war movement by the Left in 2004 created this predicament.  The Left&#039;s failure to confront Zionism on the homefront is why both parties continue cowtow to AIPAC and to militarism.  

Most importantly understanding these failures means understanding how to proceed forward.  This isn&#039;t something that should be obscured which is Max&#039;s preference.  This is something that demand clarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max Shields says &#8230;<br />
<i>But it is worthless and energy sapping to “blame the left”.</i><br />
I disagree.  The ANALYSIS is not &#8220;blame the left&#8221; but IDENTIFYING where the real problems lie and what to do about them.  To use dismissive descriptors as &#8220;blame the left&#8221; is a device to OBSCURE where REAL PROBLEMS lie and to DENY and to DEFY analysis.</p>
<p>What it means is that BEFORE you can challenge &#8220;bare-knuckled POWER&#8221; you have to CLEAN HOUSE and GET ORGANIZED.  Getting organized means building the institutional structured needed to challenge the power structure.  Unfortunately, the LEFT was thoroughly responsible for the diffusion of the anti-war movement and had NOT adhered to its own principles that are vital in order to build solidarity.  And without solidarity there is no chance in hell of any real challenge to POWER.</p>
<p>What does SOLIDARITY mean?  The lack of solidarity is the CORE of my critique of the Left.  SOLIDARITY means that if I put my ass on the line that I know you got my back.  </p>
<p>It is a betrayal of solidarity when the Left diffused the anti-war movement.  When the Left rallies behind Cynthia McKinney and not hold her accountable for her war vote the Left&#8217;s motives are questionable.  When the Left obscure a heinous political ideology rather than challenge it head on it reflects an ability to betray their purported principles.</p>
<p>These undercurrents leave the Left with the strategic hope of rhetorically “blaming all Democrats” and the worsening of conditions to increase its ranks.  However this is a rather weak strategy and why the Left is rather agitated with Obama.  Obama &#8220;temporarily&#8221; disrupts this Machiavellian plan.  The irony however is that Obama’s rise is due directly to the Left&#8217;s failure.  But most importantly worsening of conditions will be most felt by those traditionally on the lowest economic rungs &#8212; people of color particularly African Americans.</p>
<p>This is also why ironically the McKinney/Clemente ticket by the Greens needs to be watched carefully.  However Ralph Nader on <i>Democracy Now!</i> this week provides the best analysis when asked why he didn’t run as a Green:<br />
<i>RALPH NADER: Because it’s just too <b>disorganized</b>. They can’t—they can’t put it together. They bicker a lot, and <b>they drive out a lot of good Greens who want to focus on agendas</b>. I wish them well. I wish Cynthia McKinney well. I wish people would continue to support us and send contributions to votenader.org. But the liberal, progressive press, if they do not support those of us who are taking their agenda inside the presidential election arena—a propos my letter to Jim Hightower, Bill Greider and Bob Kuttner—they’re going nowhere. They’re just whistling in the dark. And most of them, with the exception of John Nichols, have been ignoring or actually undermining the Nader-Gonzalez campaign. So we’re going to generate this kind of debate within what I like to call the liberal intelligentsia.</i></p>
<p>McKinney/Clemente is either positioning the Green Party to attract disaffected people of color into their ranks especially when Obama betrays their interest.  It is clear that Obama&#8217;s Achilles heel is going to be his appeasement to Zionism and that may undo his administration as it did Jimmy Carter before him.</p>
<p>Or McKinney/Clemente is going to attract these disaffected people of color into a disorganized institution that will eventually retard these disaffected folks and sap their energy.  These folks cannot wait 4, 8, 16, or 20 years for the Green Party to become a real force.  They need solutions NOW.  Therefore they will vote for the “least worst” since the Left is intuitionally weak.</p>
<p>Analyzing the issues, problems and failure of the Left rather than obscuring those means understanding the real underpinnings of the Obama phenomenon.  It means understanding that his support by the African American community and young people is simply more than race.  Even as race plays a huge role in this election.</p>
<p>The Left&#8217;s failure provided THE opportunity for Obama while the Left remains flatfooted.  The Left&#8217;s squandered the opportunity provided by the anti-war movement to attract the very PEOPLE that are attracted into the Obama campaign.  The unraveling of the anti-war movement by the Left in 2004 created this predicament.  The Left&#8217;s failure to confront Zionism on the homefront is why both parties continue cowtow to AIPAC and to militarism.  </p>
<p>Most importantly understanding these failures means understanding how to proceed forward.  This isn&#8217;t something that should be obscured which is Max&#8217;s preference.  This is something that demand clarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27396</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max Shields says ...

&lt;i&gt;But it is worthless and energy sapping to “blame the left”.&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree.  The ANALYSIS is not &quot;blame the left&quot; but IDENTIFYING where the real problems lie.  To use dismissive descriptors as &quot;blame the left&quot; is used to OBSCURE where the REAL PROBLEM lie and to DENY and to DEFY analysis.

What it means is that BEFORE you can challenge &quot;bare-knuckled POWER&quot; you have to CLEAN HOUSE and GET ORGANIZED.  Getting organized means building the institutional structured needed to challenge the power structure.  Unfortunately the LEFT was thoroughly responsible for the diffusion of the anti-war movement and had NOT adhere to its own principles that is vital in order to build solidarity.  And without solidarity there is no chance in hell of any real  challenge to POWER.

What does SOLIDARITY means.  Solidarity is the CORE of my critique of the left.  SOLIDARITY means that if I put my ass on the line that I know you got my back.  

When the Left diffuses the anti-war movement it is a betrayal solidarity.  When the Left rallies behind Cynthia McKinney and not hold her accountable for her war vote the Left&#039;s motives are questionable.  When the Left obscure a heinous political ideology rather than challenge it head on it reflects an ability to betray their purported principles.

With these undercurrents, the Left&#039;s only strategic hope to increase its ranks is the worsen of conditions and &quot;blaming ALL the Democrats&quot;.   However this is a rather weak strategy and why the Left is rather agitated with Obama.  Obama &quot;temporarily&quot; disrupts the plan.  The irony however is that Obama rise is due directly to the Left&#039;s failure.  But most importantly worsening of conditions will be felt by those traditionally on the lowest economic rungs -- people of color particularly African Americans.

This is also why ironically the McKinney/Clemente ticket by the Greens needs to be watched carefully.  However Ralph Nader on &lt;i&gt;Democracy Now!&lt;/i&gt; was asked by Amy Goodman why he didn&#039;t run as a Green.  His response:

&lt;i&gt;RALPH NADER: Because it’s just too &lt;b&gt;disorganized&lt;/b&gt;. They can’t—they can’t put it together. They bicker a lot, and &lt;b&gt;they drive out a lot of good Greens who want to focus on agendas&lt;/b&gt;. I wish them well. I wish Cynthia McKinney well. I wish people would continue to support us and send contributions to votenader.org. But the liberal, progressive press, if they do not support those of us who are taking their agenda inside the presidential election arena—a propos my letter to Jim Hightower, Bill Greider and Bob Kuttner—they’re going nowhere. They’re just whistling in the dark. And most of them, with the exception of John Nichols, have been ignoring or actually undermining the Nader-Gonzalez campaign. So we’re going to generate this kind of debate within what I like to call the liberal intelligentsia.&lt;/i&gt;

McKinney/Clemente is either positioning the Green to attract disaffected people of color into their ranks especially when Obama betrays their interest.  It is clear that Obama&#039;s Achilles heal is going to be Zionism and that may undo his administration as it did Jimmy Carter.

Or McKinney/Clemente is going to attract these disaffected people of color into a disorganized institution that will eventually retard these disaffected folks that need solutions NOW.

Analyzing these issues, problems and failure of the Left rather than obscuring them as Max would like means understanding the real underpinnings of the Obama phenomenon.  It means understanding that his support by the African American community is simply more than race.  Even as race plays a huge role in this election.

The Left&#039;s failure provided THE opportunity for Obama while the Left remains flatfooted.  The Left&#039;s blew the opportunity provided by the anti-war movement to attract the very PEOPLE that is now attracted into the Obama campaign.  The unraveling of the anti-war movement by the Left in 2004 created this predicament.  The Left&#039;s failure to confront Zionism on the homefront is why both parties continues cowtow to AIPAC and to militarism.  

Most importantly understanding history means understanding how to proceed forward.  This isn&#039;t something that should be obscured which is Max&#039;s preference.  This is something that demand clarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max Shields says &#8230;</p>
<p><i>But it is worthless and energy sapping to “blame the left”.</i></p>
<p>I disagree.  The ANALYSIS is not &#8220;blame the left&#8221; but IDENTIFYING where the real problems lie.  To use dismissive descriptors as &#8220;blame the left&#8221; is used to OBSCURE where the REAL PROBLEM lie and to DENY and to DEFY analysis.</p>
<p>What it means is that BEFORE you can challenge &#8220;bare-knuckled POWER&#8221; you have to CLEAN HOUSE and GET ORGANIZED.  Getting organized means building the institutional structured needed to challenge the power structure.  Unfortunately the LEFT was thoroughly responsible for the diffusion of the anti-war movement and had NOT adhere to its own principles that is vital in order to build solidarity.  And without solidarity there is no chance in hell of any real  challenge to POWER.</p>
<p>What does SOLIDARITY means.  Solidarity is the CORE of my critique of the left.  SOLIDARITY means that if I put my ass on the line that I know you got my back.  </p>
<p>When the Left diffuses the anti-war movement it is a betrayal solidarity.  When the Left rallies behind Cynthia McKinney and not hold her accountable for her war vote the Left&#8217;s motives are questionable.  When the Left obscure a heinous political ideology rather than challenge it head on it reflects an ability to betray their purported principles.</p>
<p>With these undercurrents, the Left&#8217;s only strategic hope to increase its ranks is the worsen of conditions and &#8220;blaming ALL the Democrats&#8221;.   However this is a rather weak strategy and why the Left is rather agitated with Obama.  Obama &#8220;temporarily&#8221; disrupts the plan.  The irony however is that Obama rise is due directly to the Left&#8217;s failure.  But most importantly worsening of conditions will be felt by those traditionally on the lowest economic rungs &#8212; people of color particularly African Americans.</p>
<p>This is also why ironically the McKinney/Clemente ticket by the Greens needs to be watched carefully.  However Ralph Nader on <i>Democracy Now!</i> was asked by Amy Goodman why he didn&#8217;t run as a Green.  His response:</p>
<p><i>RALPH NADER: Because it’s just too <b>disorganized</b>. They can’t—they can’t put it together. They bicker a lot, and <b>they drive out a lot of good Greens who want to focus on agendas</b>. I wish them well. I wish Cynthia McKinney well. I wish people would continue to support us and send contributions to votenader.org. But the liberal, progressive press, if they do not support those of us who are taking their agenda inside the presidential election arena—a propos my letter to Jim Hightower, Bill Greider and Bob Kuttner—they’re going nowhere. They’re just whistling in the dark. And most of them, with the exception of John Nichols, have been ignoring or actually undermining the Nader-Gonzalez campaign. So we’re going to generate this kind of debate within what I like to call the liberal intelligentsia.</i></p>
<p>McKinney/Clemente is either positioning the Green to attract disaffected people of color into their ranks especially when Obama betrays their interest.  It is clear that Obama&#8217;s Achilles heal is going to be Zionism and that may undo his administration as it did Jimmy Carter.</p>
<p>Or McKinney/Clemente is going to attract these disaffected people of color into a disorganized institution that will eventually retard these disaffected folks that need solutions NOW.</p>
<p>Analyzing these issues, problems and failure of the Left rather than obscuring them as Max would like means understanding the real underpinnings of the Obama phenomenon.  It means understanding that his support by the African American community is simply more than race.  Even as race plays a huge role in this election.</p>
<p>The Left&#8217;s failure provided THE opportunity for Obama while the Left remains flatfooted.  The Left&#8217;s blew the opportunity provided by the anti-war movement to attract the very PEOPLE that is now attracted into the Obama campaign.  The unraveling of the anti-war movement by the Left in 2004 created this predicament.  The Left&#8217;s failure to confront Zionism on the homefront is why both parties continues cowtow to AIPAC and to militarism.  </p>
<p>Most importantly understanding history means understanding how to proceed forward.  This isn&#8217;t something that should be obscured which is Max&#8217;s preference.  This is something that demand clarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27386</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tennessee-Socialist said: &quot;DeadBeat: US Left is not self destroyed like you claimed. The US left is weak and destroyed because the right-wing, and not because of the mistakes of the left. The thing is that the USA is such a dictatorial totalitarian ultra-right wing system that it’s very hard environment for the left&quot;.

Until we are willing to face and understand who and how the raw American elite power works, there will never be any real change in the warmachine and its preditory outcomes it spews at all levels of society.

The elite are so powerful, that the double speak is every where confusing the &quot;right/left&quot; distinction. The sounds are muffled. The Democratic Party, it is repeated over and over IS the Progressive Left in Amerika.

There is no issue too big which cannot be sanitized by this resounding response to progressive change. Sure, many know otherwise, but so WHAT? Remember power controls the predominant narrative. It has all the levers...and as Denzel Washinton says in Training Days.. &quot;And YOU JUST LIVE HERE!&quot;

It is not hopeless. But it is worthless and energy sapping to &quot;blame the left&quot;. There is pure unadulterated bare-knuckled POWER and than there&#039;s the rest of us.

But, if you think smart, even the largest bolder can become a pebble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tennessee-Socialist said: &#8220;DeadBeat: US Left is not self destroyed like you claimed. The US left is weak and destroyed because the right-wing, and not because of the mistakes of the left. The thing is that the USA is such a dictatorial totalitarian ultra-right wing system that it’s very hard environment for the left&#8221;.</p>
<p>Until we are willing to face and understand who and how the raw American elite power works, there will never be any real change in the warmachine and its preditory outcomes it spews at all levels of society.</p>
<p>The elite are so powerful, that the double speak is every where confusing the &#8220;right/left&#8221; distinction. The sounds are muffled. The Democratic Party, it is repeated over and over IS the Progressive Left in Amerika.</p>
<p>There is no issue too big which cannot be sanitized by this resounding response to progressive change. Sure, many know otherwise, but so WHAT? Remember power controls the predominant narrative. It has all the levers&#8230;and as Denzel Washinton says in Training Days.. &#8220;And YOU JUST LIVE HERE!&#8221;</p>
<p>It is not hopeless. But it is worthless and energy sapping to &#8220;blame the left&#8221;. There is pure unadulterated bare-knuckled POWER and than there&#8217;s the rest of us.</p>
<p>But, if you think smart, even the largest bolder can become a pebble.</p>
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		<title>By: naro</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27379</link>
		<dc:creator>naro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is fascinating to read the here the melding of far left  with the Nazis is an unholy alliance against the Jews as well as Israel.    This is a recapitulation of the twentieth century&#039;s history of Stalinist and Hitlerian antisemitism. One would have thought that 40 million dad body would have been enough to change these ideologies. But here they are.  Led by the college professors of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is fascinating to read the here the melding of far left  with the Nazis is an unholy alliance against the Jews as well as Israel.    This is a recapitulation of the twentieth century&#8217;s history of Stalinist and Hitlerian antisemitism. One would have thought that 40 million dad body would have been enough to change these ideologies. But here they are.  Led by the college professors of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27365</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the AIPAC vermin have got themselves a new houseboy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the AIPAC vermin have got themselves a new houseboy!</p>
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		<title>By: jim Bush</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27362</link>
		<dc:creator>jim Bush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WELL SAID,
America is transforming from democracy to a total hypocrite, deceitful devil. All that just for the interest of Israel! I hope once we the people wakeup, we would be able to overthrow our fake government along with all the lobby groups. As everyone knows, when someone keep asserting a past point, it means that the asserter knows it is not true, but keeps repeating himself like a broken record to convince people that it is true. I am starting to have my doubts about holocaust. They have take advantage of everyone, everywhere, and when you wakeup and try to stop it, before you know it you are branded as an anti-Semitic and they have massed a whole country or two against you. Well if they want to portray it this way (they are master of deceive for thousand of years anyway) and this is what it take to kick them out of our government, big corporate and MSM. Then it is time for the whole America to be an anti-Semitic. When are these people going to find out that people just do not believe them anymore and they have lost their dignity, soul and humanity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WELL SAID,<br />
America is transforming from democracy to a total hypocrite, deceitful devil. All that just for the interest of Israel! I hope once we the people wakeup, we would be able to overthrow our fake government along with all the lobby groups. As everyone knows, when someone keep asserting a past point, it means that the asserter knows it is not true, but keeps repeating himself like a broken record to convince people that it is true. I am starting to have my doubts about holocaust. They have take advantage of everyone, everywhere, and when you wakeup and try to stop it, before you know it you are branded as an anti-Semitic and they have massed a whole country or two against you. Well if they want to portray it this way (they are master of deceive for thousand of years anyway) and this is what it take to kick them out of our government, big corporate and MSM. Then it is time for the whole America to be an anti-Semitic. When are these people going to find out that people just do not believe them anymore and they have lost their dignity, soul and humanity?</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Socialist</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27361</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Socialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why i hate Middle classes.  The petty bourgeois (Middle class folks) envies and hates the big capitalists who are crushing them through unequal competition, but they also hate the poor peasants, the poor working classes, and the oppressed under classes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why i hate Middle classes.  The petty bourgeois (Middle class folks) envies and hates the big capitalists who are crushing them through unequal competition, but they also hate the poor peasants, the poor working classes, and the oppressed under classes</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Socialist</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27360</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Socialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The movement towards factory occupations and workers&#039; control in Latin America shows that the workers, through their own experience, are moving in the direction of socialism. The reformists are alarmed by this movement, which threatens to go beyond the limits of capitalism and calls into question the sacred rights of private property. 

We must achieve socialism legally or illegally

 Machiavelli said: &quot;Because the man who wants to be good as a profession among all things, will sow his own ruin among so many men that are not good&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movement towards factory occupations and workers&#8217; control in Latin America shows that the workers, through their own experience, are moving in the direction of socialism. The reformists are alarmed by this movement, which threatens to go beyond the limits of capitalism and calls into question the sacred rights of private property. </p>
<p>We must achieve socialism legally or illegally</p>
<p> Machiavelli said: &#8220;Because the man who wants to be good as a profession among all things, will sow his own ruin among so many men that are not good&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Socialist</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27359</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Socialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But of course we all know that Obama works for AIPAC so that open letter i wrote to Obama means nothing, we are doomed. Only a socialist revolution could save us from impending doom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But of course we all know that Obama works for AIPAC so that open letter i wrote to Obama means nothing, we are doomed. Only a socialist revolution could save us from impending doom</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Socialist</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27358</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Socialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An open e-mail to Obama:

Dear Obama: Congratulations in winning the Democratic Party nomination for President. I am writting you this e-mail to throw my 2 cents on a very important subject for the United States.  I would like to humbly suggest for you to consider reading the book &quot;The power of Israel in the United States.&quot; by James Petras, which talks about the negative impact of the Israeli Lobbies inside the United States, and many other authors on the subject about the negative impact of the Israeli Lobby and Israeli inside the United States government and private sector.  

I think that it is time for a real change in middle-east policies by the USA, and we must break our satanic matrimony with Israel elites, and lobbies.  This country cannot keep on waging wars on behalf of Israel.  I don&#039;t hate Israel and Israelites. I love the country of Israel and all Israelites.  What i hate is some Israeli wealthy elites, AIPAC and other zionist jewish lobbies, destroying our economic, and political freedoms.

It is time for Israel to stop oppressing and killing Palestines.  The real danger in the Middle East is not Iran, Syria or Pakistan, but  Israeli Occupation Forces, and not Iran.  

It is time for US to dissarm Israel out of its 300 Nuclear Bombs. Ron Paul said that the real danger in the middle east is Israel.  Not to mention the 3 billion dollars a year from our tax dollars

Iran must be our friend, not our enemy, whatever Bill O&#039;rilley, Glenn Beck and the corporate media whores claim.  They won&#039;t be presidents of the USA.  You will be the president, and i have faith indeed that you would change Washington, DC indeed

Iran doesn&#039;t have any nuclear weapons, but nuclear energies.  

Thanks and i hope you listen to my humble opinions about the fascist state of Israel and what we should do about it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An open e-mail to Obama:</p>
<p>Dear Obama: Congratulations in winning the Democratic Party nomination for President. I am writting you this e-mail to throw my 2 cents on a very important subject for the United States.  I would like to humbly suggest for you to consider reading the book &#8220;The power of Israel in the United States.&#8221; by James Petras, which talks about the negative impact of the Israeli Lobbies inside the United States, and many other authors on the subject about the negative impact of the Israeli Lobby and Israeli inside the United States government and private sector.  </p>
<p>I think that it is time for a real change in middle-east policies by the USA, and we must break our satanic matrimony with Israel elites, and lobbies.  This country cannot keep on waging wars on behalf of Israel.  I don&#8217;t hate Israel and Israelites. I love the country of Israel and all Israelites.  What i hate is some Israeli wealthy elites, AIPAC and other zionist jewish lobbies, destroying our economic, and political freedoms.</p>
<p>It is time for Israel to stop oppressing and killing Palestines.  The real danger in the Middle East is not Iran, Syria or Pakistan, but  Israeli Occupation Forces, and not Iran.  </p>
<p>It is time for US to dissarm Israel out of its 300 Nuclear Bombs. Ron Paul said that the real danger in the middle east is Israel.  Not to mention the 3 billion dollars a year from our tax dollars</p>
<p>Iran must be our friend, not our enemy, whatever Bill O&#8217;rilley, Glenn Beck and the corporate media whores claim.  They won&#8217;t be presidents of the USA.  You will be the president, and i have faith indeed that you would change Washington, DC indeed</p>
<p>Iran doesn&#8217;t have any nuclear weapons, but nuclear energies.  </p>
<p>Thanks and i hope you listen to my humble opinions about the fascist state of Israel and what we should do about it</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Socialist</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27357</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Socialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeadBeat: US Left is not self destroyed like you claimed.  The US left is weak and destroyed because the right-wing, and not because of the mistakes of the left.  The thing is that the USA is such a dictatorial totalitarian ultra-right wing system that it&#039;s very hard environment for the left</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeadBeat: US Left is not self destroyed like you claimed.  The US left is weak and destroyed because the right-wing, and not because of the mistakes of the left.  The thing is that the USA is such a dictatorial totalitarian ultra-right wing system that it&#8217;s very hard environment for the left</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Socialist</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-courts-the-lobby/#comment-27356</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Socialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was banned from http://www.informationclearinghouse.info for posting communism articles, yet they post articles from reformist bourgeosie such as Naomi Klein, Jesse Jackson and Ron Paul, like if they are real revolutionaries

i revolt against the bourgeosie conspiracy theory websites !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was banned from <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info" rel="nofollow">http://www.informationclearinghouse.info</a> for posting communism articles, yet they post articles from reformist bourgeosie such as Naomi Klein, Jesse Jackson and Ron Paul, like if they are real revolutionaries</p>
<p>i revolt against the bourgeosie conspiracy theory websites !!</p>
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