Comments on: Obama and the Empire http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: fekkkkog geoooore http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-49488 fekkkkog geoooore Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:36:10 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-49488 Another fantastic article from Mr. Blum! And heike is a stupid troll who should do us all a favor and remove himself from the gene pool. Another fantastic article from Mr. Blum!

And heike is a stupid troll who should do us all a favor and remove himself from the gene pool.

]]> By: MrSynec3 http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-26001 MrSynec3 Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:09:28 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-26001 TROLL ALERT. Michael Kenny is a TROLL Michael Kenny wrote: "AIPAC wants the two wars ended ASAP, since they (like most of the rest of the neocons’ bungling!) are doing immense damage to Israel. For the same reason, they want a settlement with Iran. " OH YA!. Are you serious??!! You gotta be kidding. From where did you get that nonsense?!. Definitely you are a TROLL TROLL ALERT. Michael Kenny is a TROLL

Michael Kenny wrote:
“AIPAC wants the two wars ended ASAP, since they (like most of the rest of the neocons’ bungling!) are doing immense damage to Israel. For the same reason, they want a settlement with Iran. ”

OH YA!. Are you serious??!! You gotta be kidding. From where did you get that nonsense?!. Definitely you are a TROLL

]]> By: Josie Michel-Brüning http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25995 Josie Michel-Brüning Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:27:25 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25995 Dear Lloyd Rowsey, thank you for your reply. Let us hope for being able to prevent such an global catastrophy altogether. A deadly wounded giant could destroy the entire earth. Dear Lloyd Rowsey, thank you for your reply.
Let us hope for being able to prevent such an global catastrophy altogether. A deadly wounded giant could destroy the entire earth.

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25994 Lloyd Rowsey Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:01:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25994 And some day, J M-B, it will begin sinking in that America Depends on the World. With no "seems" about it. And some day, J M-B, it will begin sinking in that America Depends on the World. With no “seems” about it.

]]> By: Josie Michel-Brüning http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25992 Josie Michel-Brüning Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:07:01 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25992 I would like to add another appeal to all of you, apart from "free the Cuban Five": People like me are very grateful to articles like those at this website. Please, don't keep just to this media try constantly to reach the mass medias for keeping them informed about your opinion, as we are doing in Germany. Even if they don't publish our opinion, our impression is, they are learning step by step, that people can't be betrayed for ever. We are realizing that at least some of them are more careful instead just publishing "U.S. Public Diplomacy". However, as a matter of fact, the U.S. is the main battle field for winning any change. The world seems to depend on you! I would like to add another appeal to all of you, apart from “free the Cuban Five”:
People like me are very grateful to articles like those at this website. Please, don’t keep just to this media try constantly to reach the mass medias for keeping them informed about your opinion, as we are doing in Germany. Even if they don’t publish our opinion, our impression is, they are learning step by step, that people can’t be betrayed for ever. We are realizing that at least some of them are more careful instead just publishing “U.S. Public Diplomacy”. However, as a matter of fact, the U.S. is the main battle field for winning any change. The world seems to depend on you!

]]> By: Giorgio http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25979 Giorgio Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:19:34 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25979 "....Barack Obama wearing Muslim garb in the Oval Office with a portrait of Osama bin Laden on the wall. Obama is delivering a fist bump to his wife, Michelle, who has an Afro hairdo and an assault rifle slung over her shoulder. An American flag lies burning in the fireplace." This is hilarious! I wish it could be true...but not even in my dreams I could conjure this up! It certainly would scare the shits of Americans and make 9/11 feel like some kids prank on April Fools day! But Obama (or is it Osama?) is too smart for that. He knows damn well which side of the toast is buttered. He's an Oprah Winfred clone in a sleek evening dress suit, the suit I saw him wearing in that YouTube video with an Israeli flag tie and an American stars and stripes suit. This is much more like Obama's ( or Osama?) true self. He will outsmart McCain by an extra ZERO and occupy Iraq (not 100) but for 1000 years! LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE! And Ron Paul's REVOLUTION gutted! “….Barack Obama wearing Muslim garb in the Oval Office with a portrait of Osama bin Laden on the wall. Obama is delivering a fist bump to his wife, Michelle, who has an Afro hairdo and an assault rifle slung over her shoulder. An American flag lies burning in the fireplace.”

This is hilarious! I wish it could be true…but not even in my dreams I could conjure this up! It certainly would scare the shits of Americans and make 9/11 feel like some kids prank on April Fools day!

But Obama (or is it Osama?) is too smart for that. He knows damn well which side of the toast is buttered. He’s an Oprah Winfred clone in a sleek evening dress suit, the suit I saw him wearing in that YouTube video with an Israeli flag tie and an American stars and stripes suit.
This is much more like Obama’s ( or Osama?) true self. He will outsmart McCain by an extra ZERO and occupy Iraq (not 100) but for 1000 years! LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!

And Ron Paul’s REVOLUTION gutted!

]]> By: Beverly http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25972 Beverly Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:48:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25972 Yes, The New Yorker should do another cover, this time riffing on faux progressive Obama. You know this won't happen since they'd have to print the truth about behind the lie that is Obama. I'm surprised the Muslim satire made the cover since that magazine is staffed with Obamabots and kool aid drinkers. I didn't read the article, but I'm sure it took a sympathetic take on how those "mean, bigoted right wingers" try to smear Saint Barack with the Muslim label. Thought #2: Interesting how Obama and his braindead followers were so incensed about The New Yorker cover. I thought only Muslim extremists went apeshit over cartoons and Teddy Bears. Yes, The New Yorker should do another cover, this time riffing on faux progressive Obama. You know this won’t happen since they’d have to print the truth about behind the lie that is Obama. I’m surprised the Muslim satire made the cover since that magazine is staffed with Obamabots and kool aid drinkers. I didn’t read the article, but I’m sure it took a sympathetic take on how those “mean, bigoted right wingers” try to smear Saint Barack with the Muslim label.

Thought #2: Interesting how Obama and his braindead followers were so incensed about The New Yorker cover. I thought only Muslim extremists went apeshit over cartoons and Teddy Bears.

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25970 bozhidar balkas Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:33:01 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25970 arch, 3 croat'n generals stand trial at the hague. i thought that tudjman started the war against bosnian muslims,aka as bosniaks. cannot say if izetbegovic, the muslim leader, had commited a crime against either serbs or croats. however, at least one his officers is accused of war crimes against serbs. it shld be noted that the reporters from war zones in bosnia and croatia were generally acurate/adequate. according to their reports, ab. 80-90% of crimes have been commited by serbs. tudjman may have ordered croat'n army to prevent serb return to the areas they left just before croat'n attack in '95. peter galbraith, the ambassador to croatia had testified at hague that serbs weren't expelled but were prevented from returning. but he's dead. hasn't been indicted as far as know. thank u arch,
3 croat’n generals stand trial at the hague. i thought that tudjman started the war against bosnian muslims,aka as bosniaks.
cannot say if izetbegovic, the muslim leader, had commited a crime against either serbs or croats.
however, at least one his officers is accused of war crimes against serbs.
it shld be noted that the reporters from war zones in bosnia and croatia were generally acurate/adequate.
according to their reports, ab. 80-90% of crimes have been commited by serbs.
tudjman may have ordered croat’n army to prevent serb return to the areas they left just before croat’n attack in ’95.
peter galbraith, the ambassador to croatia had testified at hague that serbs weren’t expelled but were prevented from returning.
but he’s dead. hasn’t been indicted as far as know.
thank u

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25968 Max Shields Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:59:49 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25968 Deadbeat, I suggest you take those concerns and bring them to a liberal or Dem "progressive" or PDA site where the problem you identify exists. I consider myself fully aligned with what Mr. Blum has written here, and I consider his expressions to be progressive. I did not support the Dems in 2004 and for sure won't this time around. And you? Deadbeat, I suggest you take those concerns and bring them to a liberal or Dem “progressive” or PDA site where the problem you identify exists.

I consider myself fully aligned with what Mr. Blum has written here, and I consider his expressions to be progressive. I did not support the Dems in 2004 and for sure won’t this time around.

And you?

]]> By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25967 Michael Kenny Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:56:14 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25967 Mr Blum is essentially right in regard to Obama, but you always need to bear in mind that he is the Israel Lobby's candidate (although they would have prefered Hillary!). The Lobby wants the two wars ended ASAP, since they (like most of the rest of the neocons' bungling!) are doing immense damage to Israel. For the same reason, they want a settlement with Iran. Equally, they need NATO as a legal pretext for keeping US forces and military supplies near to Israel but must by now have understood that Europe is not going to send its children to fight Israel's dirty wars. I would guess, therefore, that he will let NATO go dormant, lay off Russia and encourage the EU to extend into the military sphere, thereby placating both the EU and Russia in a single swoop! The strategy, I think, is to encircle the "Muslim crescent" stretching from Morocco right out to Pakistan and back through Central Asia to Turkey: NATO to the west, Russia to the north, India to the east and AFRICOM to the south. How realistic any of this is, and whether the US economy can bear the cost, remains to be seen. Good news though for Latin America and the Far East. They have no influence on Israel's position, so the Lobby doesn't give a damn about them. To paraphrase the old saw, lucky Mexico, so close to the US but so far from Israel! Mr Blum is essentially right in regard to Obama, but you always need to bear in mind that he is the Israel Lobby’s candidate (although they would have prefered Hillary!). The Lobby wants the two wars ended ASAP, since they (like most of the rest of the neocons’ bungling!) are doing immense damage to Israel. For the same reason, they want a settlement with Iran. Equally, they need NATO as a legal pretext for keeping US forces and military supplies near to Israel but must by now have understood that Europe is not going to send its children to fight Israel’s dirty wars. I would guess, therefore, that he will let NATO go dormant, lay off Russia and encourage the EU to extend into the military sphere, thereby placating both the EU and Russia in a single swoop!

The strategy, I think, is to encircle the “Muslim crescent” stretching from Morocco right out to Pakistan and back through Central Asia to Turkey: NATO to the west, Russia to the north, India to the east and AFRICOM to the south. How realistic any of this is, and whether the US economy can bear the cost, remains to be seen.

Good news though for Latin America and the Far East. They have no influence on Israel’s position, so the Lobby doesn’t give a damn about them. To paraphrase the old saw, lucky Mexico, so close to the US but so far from Israel!

]]> By: Arch Stanton http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25963 Arch Stanton Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:44:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25963 "The intellectual apologists for Western imperialism have pretended that the Yugoslavia Tribunal is not fully politicized, but is rather pursuing justice, as they skirt by the facts that nothing happened to Tudjman, Izetbegovic, or any other non-Serb high officials guilty of war crimes in the Balkans. (These would properly include Clinton, Blair and their top associates, guilty of aggression, and whose bombing tactics even Human Rights Watch, a notorious apologist for NATO policies in the Balkans, condemned as violations of "international humanitarian law")." --Edward Herman http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/8538 “The intellectual apologists for Western imperialism have pretended that the Yugoslavia Tribunal is not fully politicized, but is rather pursuing justice, as they skirt by the facts that nothing happened to Tudjman, Izetbegovic, or any other non-Serb high officials guilty of war crimes in the Balkans. (These would properly include Clinton, Blair and their top associates, guilty of aggression, and whose bombing tactics even Human Rights Watch, a notorious apologist for NATO policies in the Balkans, condemned as violations of “international humanitarian law”).”

–Edward Herman

http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/8538

]]> By: heike http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25961 heike Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:43:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25961 The usual disinformation and ranting from Blum, so typical of him. He seized on ZB's self-serving account of Afghanistan but didn't go into internal Soviet or U.S. documents which are readily available and have been declassified. They show that the Soviets were concerned that Amin was moving beyond their control and that he had to be liquidated. They never mentioned the CIA either in their public propaganda or in their internal deliberations. Indeed, in one of the Sept 1979 documents from the CWIHP, Gromyko is described as saying that "the Americans have no real policy in Afghanistan." In short, even though the Soviets made a few half-hearted attempts to call Amin a "CIA agent," they never produced any details nor could they make the accusation stick. It's sheer fantasy to write about the "many bombings of Bosnia in the period 1993-95." There was one bombing mission launched after the Serb atrocity that killed so many people in a Sarajevo bazar in August 1995 and it finally was successful in getting the Serbs to end the siege of Sarajevo and negotiate an end to the Bosnian war. As far as the Cuban Five are concerned, they were spies sent by their employer, the Cuban intelligence Service, the DGI. They weren't boy scouts! How many of you people who are lending your voices to the "cause" care a whit about the political prisoners rotting in prisons in Cuba whose only crime was to use the internet to express their "dissident voice" to their fellow citizens. The usual disinformation and ranting from Blum, so typical of him. He seized on ZB’s self-serving account of Afghanistan but didn’t go into internal Soviet or U.S. documents which are readily available and have been declassified. They show that the Soviets were concerned that Amin was moving beyond their control and that he had to be liquidated. They never mentioned the CIA either in their public propaganda or in their internal deliberations. Indeed, in one of the Sept 1979 documents from the CWIHP, Gromyko is described as saying that “the Americans have no real policy in Afghanistan.” In short, even though the Soviets made a few half-hearted attempts to call Amin a “CIA agent,” they never produced any details nor could they make the accusation stick.

It’s sheer fantasy to write about the “many bombings of Bosnia in the period 1993-95.” There was one bombing mission launched after the Serb atrocity that killed so many people in a Sarajevo bazar in August 1995 and it finally was successful in getting the Serbs to end the siege of Sarajevo and negotiate an end to the Bosnian war.

As far as the Cuban Five are concerned, they were spies sent by their employer, the Cuban intelligence Service, the DGI. They weren’t boy scouts! How many of you people who are lending your voices to the “cause” care a whit about the political prisoners rotting in prisons in Cuba whose only crime was to use the internet to express their “dissident voice” to their fellow citizens.

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25959 Lloyd Rowsey Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:47:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25959 Thank you for this article, Mr. Blum, and the occasion it provided for J. M-B. to post the mailing address for contributions to the IFCO/Awareness Project. Thank you for this article, Mr. Blum, and the occasion it provided for J. M-B. to post the mailing address for contributions to the IFCO/Awareness Project.

]]> By: Josie Michel-Brüning http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25955 Josie Michel-Brüning Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:05:35 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25955 My husband, Dirk, and me are very grateful for this excellent article, as we were for instance in 2001, ocasionally "9/11" his "Brief history of US Interventions since 1948". We then translated it completely and distributed it to our friends. - Being involved in the international campaign to free the "Cuban Five", this time, we appreciate especially his mentioning of the case of the "Cuban Five". When we dare to ask our chancellor Angela Merkel occasionally the visit of president Bush in Germany for mentioning at her conversation with him our concern about the the treatment of the case, the denying visiting rights for their wives etc. our ministry of foreign affairs answers like that: the USA are a constitutional state. ... The case of the "Cuban Fives" proves however, they are not! Please, read the following appeal: "The International Committee for the Freedom of the Cuban Five is organizing a major concert in New York City on the upcoming 10th anniversary that we have entitled “Five Stars and a Song”. The concert will take place Saturday September 13, from 8 to 11pm at the Hostos Community College Auditorium, New York City. [...] We are appealing to you to help us make this concert a significant step forward in breaking the silence around the case of the Cuban Five. - In addition to the Concert, we anticipate considerable costs associated with a publicity campaign to reach out to different US and foreign media outlets demanding the freedom of the Cuban Five and visas for those family members who have been denied visitation rights. In the last two years, the International Committee for the Freedom of the Cuban Five has worked with practically no resources. We have been fortunate that at times we have received some support from U.S. , Spanish and Argentinean friends who have helped us to publish our material and to help us organize our presence at events around the world. The grave situation that our Five brothers and their families are facing, after a decade of injustice, demands a greater effort on all of our parts. We realize that in the past you have contributed time and resources in the struggle to free the five and your actions are deeply appreciated by them. The Five constantly remind us that the solidarity they receive provides them with a great deal of encouragement and strength. For the first time the International Committee for the Freedom of the Cuban Five is appealing to you for help to make this historic event a success that cannot be ignored. We think that this rich cultural evening on the 10th anniversary of their arrests will be an important step forward in breaking the silence around the case. This concert will provide us with a way to educate those attending about the injustice that our five brothers face. Please send us a tax-deductible contribution made out to IFCO/Awareness Project and mail your check to: International Committee for the Freedom of the Cuban Five P.O. Box 22455 , Oakland CA 94609 To send a contribution from abroad, please write to info@thecuban5.org for information on how to make a wire transaction. " You can be sure, we will support this event from Germany, please, join us respectively them. We appreciate your generosity and thank you in advance for all your support, trust and solidarity to this noble cause. A strong embrace, Graciela Ramírez Clara Sastre Alicia Jrapko International Committee for the Freedom of the Cuban Five www.thecuban5.org " My husband, Dirk, and me are very grateful for this excellent article, as we were for instance in 2001, ocasionally “9/11″ his “Brief history of US Interventions since 1948″. We then translated it completely and distributed it to our friends. – Being involved in the international campaign to free the “Cuban Five”, this time, we appreciate especially his mentioning of the case of the “Cuban Five”. When we dare to ask our chancellor Angela Merkel occasionally the visit of president Bush in Germany for mentioning at her conversation with him our concern about the the treatment of the case, the denying visiting rights for their wives etc. our ministry of foreign affairs answers like that: the USA are a constitutional state. …
The case of the “Cuban Fives” proves however, they are not!
Please, read the following appeal:
“The International Committee for the Freedom of the Cuban Five is organizing a major concert in New York City on the upcoming 10th anniversary that we have entitled “Five Stars and a Song”.
The concert will take place Saturday September 13, from 8 to 11pm at the Hostos Community College Auditorium, New York City. [...] We are appealing to you to help us make this concert a significant step forward in breaking the silence around the case of the Cuban Five. – In addition to the Concert, we anticipate considerable costs associated with a publicity campaign to reach out to different US and foreign media outlets demanding the freedom of the Cuban Five and visas for those family members who have been denied visitation rights. In the last two years, the International Committee for the Freedom of the Cuban Five has worked with practically no resources.
We have been fortunate that at times we have received some support from U.S. , Spanish and Argentinean friends who have helped us to publish our material and to help us organize our presence at events around the world.
The grave situation that our Five brothers and their families are facing, after a decade of injustice, demands a greater effort on all of our parts. We realize that in the past you have contributed time and resources in the struggle to free the five and your actions are deeply appreciated by them. The Five constantly remind us that the solidarity they receive provides them with a great deal of
encouragement and strength. For the first time the International Committee for the Freedom of the Cuban Five is appealing to you for help to make this
historic event a success that cannot be ignored. We think that this rich cultural evening on the 10th anniversary of their arrests will be an important step forward in breaking the silence around the case. This concert will provide us with a way to educate those attending about the injustice that our five brothers face.
Please send us a tax-deductible contribution made out to IFCO/Awareness Project and mail your check to:
International Committee for the Freedom of the Cuban Five
P.O. Box 22455 , Oakland CA 94609
To send a contribution from abroad, please write to gro.5nabucehtnull@ofni for information on how to make a wire transaction. ”

You can be sure, we will support this event from Germany, please, join us respectively them.

We appreciate your generosity and thank you in advance for all your support, trust and solidarity to this noble cause.

A strong embrace,

Graciela Ramírez Clara Sastre Alicia Jrapko

International Committee for the Freedom of the Cuban Five

http://www.thecuban5.org “

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25951 Deadbeat Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:11:20 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25951 Very excellent analysis and critique of Obama's position on Foreign Policy and well sourced. However Blum goes on to write the following... <i>Al Gore and John Kerry both took the progressive vote for granted. Neither had ever been particularly progressive himself. Each harbored a measure of disdain for the left. Both paid a heavy price for the neglect. I and millions like me voted for Ralph Nader, or some other third-party candidate, or stayed home. Obama is doing the same as Gore and Kerry. Progressives should let him know that his positions are not acceptable, keeping up the anti-war pressure on him and the Democratic Party at every opportunity. For whatever good it just might do.</i> The question now is why did "progressives" NOT support Nader in 2004 and build upon his success from the 2000 elections? And why did these "progressives" not build upon the anti-war movement which involved many citizens and where citizens became active. That was a huge missed opportunity and Blum misses an opportunity to analyze why that failure created the void now being filled by Obama. Because Nader was abandon in 2004, this year he provides no institutional underpinnings. He is merely a protest vote. The same is true pretty much for Cynthia McKinney, who btw voted for the Afghanistan invasion. The Left this year simply provides no alternative for many voters to Obama. What is needed is to build from the bottom up. The problem however is the real lack of working class conscientiousness and cohesion. We see this just by how the Left has expends a huge amount of efforts to mislead the public on key issues and how the Left engages in reactionary "blame the victim" rhetoric with regards to electoral choices and sanctimonious posturing. Very excellent analysis and critique of Obama’s position on Foreign Policy and well sourced. However Blum goes on to write the following…

Al Gore and John Kerry both took the progressive vote for granted. Neither had ever been particularly progressive himself. Each harbored a measure of disdain for the left. Both paid a heavy price for the neglect. I and millions like me voted for Ralph Nader, or some other third-party candidate, or stayed home. Obama is doing the same as Gore and Kerry. Progressives should let him know that his positions are not acceptable, keeping up the anti-war pressure on him and the Democratic Party at every opportunity. For whatever good it just might do.

The question now is why did “progressives” NOT support Nader in 2004 and build upon his success from the 2000 elections? And why did these “progressives” not build upon the anti-war movement which involved many citizens and where citizens became active. That was a huge missed opportunity and Blum misses an opportunity to analyze why that failure created the void now being filled by Obama.

Because Nader was abandon in 2004, this year he provides no institutional underpinnings. He is merely a protest vote. The same is true pretty much for Cynthia McKinney, who btw voted for the Afghanistan invasion. The Left this year simply provides no alternative for many voters to Obama.

What is needed is to build from the bottom up. The problem however is the real lack of working class conscientiousness and cohesion. We see this just by how the Left has expends a huge amount of efforts to mislead the public on key issues and how the Left engages in reactionary “blame the victim” rhetoric with regards to electoral choices and sanctimonious posturing.

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25947 Donald Hawkins Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:59:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25947 http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/20080804_TripReport.pdf One of the best I have ever read. Do you read DV Obama? http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/20080804_TripReport.pdf

One of the best I have ever read. Do you read DV Obama?

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-empire/#comment-25944 bozhidar balkas Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:58:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2470#comment-25944 it is wrong to wage wars based on predictions, hatred, evocation of perils, rationalization, etc. it is equally wrong to oppose a war such as US invasion of iraq on perception, rationalization, prediction, wishes, hate, anger, etc. instead, we shld oppose all wars basing oposition on the desirable/necessary truth that no land/empire has the right to attack another land/empire under any circumstance. instead, we solely go after alleged criminals. this wld preclude collective punishment. collective punishment, to me, is a crime. it cannot be justified because a number of individuals (such as saddam, et al ) have done or been accused of commiting crimes against own or foreign people. we also know causes (never mind the reasons) for all wars: greed, lust for control, land gain, hatred, stupidity, supremacism, etc. thank u it is wrong to wage wars based on predictions, hatred, evocation of perils, rationalization, etc.
it is equally wrong to oppose a war such as US invasion of iraq on perception, rationalization, prediction, wishes, hate, anger, etc.
instead, we shld oppose all wars basing oposition on the desirable/necessary truth that no land/empire has the right to attack another land/empire under any circumstance.
instead, we solely go after alleged criminals. this wld preclude collective punishment.
collective punishment, to me, is a crime. it cannot be justified because a number of individuals (such as saddam, et al ) have done or been accused of commiting crimes against own or foreign people.
we also know causes (never mind the reasons) for all wars: greed, lust for control, land gain, hatred, stupidity, supremacism, etc.
thank u

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