Comments on: Living in Hell for Life http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Carlyle Moulton http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25884 Carlyle Moulton Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:17:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25884 One cannot overestimate the extent to which anti-negro racism motivates the US justice system. The timing of the start of the insane punitiveness alone, starting in the seventies is enough to identify it as a counter attack to the successes of the civil rights movement. One cannot overestimate the extent to which anti-negro racism motivates the US justice system. The timing of the start of the insane punitiveness alone, starting in the seventies is enough to identify it as a counter attack to the successes of the civil rights movement.

]]> By: A http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25880 A Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:28:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25880 American Justice! American Justice!

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25873 Hue Longer Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:28:16 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25873 I love post hoc arguments because they're fun and creative I love post hoc arguments because they’re fun and creative

]]> By: HR http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25872 HR Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:41:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25872 Joseph Broxton, rates for real crimes, like murder, manslaughter, burglary, robbery, etc. have been fairly constant since they have been recorded, and most likely throughout human civilization. That is likely to continue, no matter how many people are locked up. It's just that crimes get reported with particular emphases, to fit particular political, business, and religious agendas, and to keep us living in a state of fear generally, in which we feel comforted knowing that police are militarized and free to do as they choose, and that our houses are made "safe", thanks to hired security goons. We have created "crimes" through draconian drug laws that give the government the right to arrest anyone who is poor, or of the wrong skin color. Our system hasn't strayed from equal justice. It never provided it. For example, do you remember slavery? That was condoned by the Christian god, according to plenty of good southern Christians. And, it was bought into by plenty of wealthy northern ones as well. Joseph Broxton, rates for real crimes, like murder, manslaughter, burglary, robbery, etc. have been fairly constant since they have been recorded, and most likely throughout human civilization. That is likely to continue, no matter how many people are locked up. It’s just that crimes get reported with particular emphases, to fit particular political, business, and religious agendas, and to keep us living in a state of fear generally, in which we feel comforted knowing that police are militarized and free to do as they choose, and that our houses are made “safe”, thanks to hired security goons. We have created “crimes” through draconian drug laws that give the government the right to arrest anyone who is poor, or of the wrong skin color.

Our system hasn’t strayed from equal justice. It never provided it. For example, do you remember slavery? That was condoned by the Christian god, according to plenty of good southern Christians. And, it was bought into by plenty of wealthy northern ones as well.

]]> By: Brian Koontz http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25871 Brian Koontz Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:58:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25871 The primary point of incarceration as done by the state has always been to terrorize the population - increased incarceration simply means the state feels it has an even greater need for terror to control it's population. And what a need they have - the rise of neoliberal economics and the prison-industrial complex occurred at the same time. Or that is to say, the expected unpopularity of neoliberalism resulted in a need to increase the amount of terror applied on the US population by the US elite. Also coinciding with neoliberalism is "abuse TV", beginning with The Gong Show (the original version). There are three ways to reduce the prison population in the US - submit (to consensual slavery) to the ruling class such that they no longer feel a need to terrorize the population, destroy the ruling class such that they no longer have the power to terrorize the population, or substitute terror by incarceration to terror by some other method. The primary point of incarceration as done by the state has always been to terrorize the population – increased incarceration simply means the state feels it has an even greater need for terror to control it’s population.

And what a need they have – the rise of neoliberal economics and the prison-industrial complex occurred at the same time. Or that is to say, the expected unpopularity of neoliberalism resulted in a need to increase the amount of terror applied on the US population by the US elite. Also coinciding with neoliberalism is “abuse TV”, beginning with The Gong Show (the original version).

There are three ways to reduce the prison population in the US – submit (to consensual slavery) to the ruling class such that they no longer feel a need to terrorize the population, destroy the ruling class such that they no longer have the power to terrorize the population, or substitute terror by incarceration to terror by some other method.

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25866 Donald Hawkins Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:20:42 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25866 Was I always who I am now, no. Hell been there and back. I knew something was not quite right but I didn't know what it was. One of my relatives favorite things to say to me was if you are so damn smart how come you are not rich. So of course I tried to get rich and that worked out real well. Then of course drugs and alcohol and after a few years hell was not the right word. I am lucky many don't make it and the something isn't quite right part hasn't changed but I did. Hell or living in a box with walls made of bullshit is not one of my favorite things or people who want me to believe in things that are so far from the truth that they border on insanity not going there if I can help it. I am older and yes it is easer for me now and now day's the level of bullshit to me is mind boggling. There you know to much now just kidding and hay what about the new thing I hear from our fearless leaders drill, drill, drill it's what the American people want. Yesterday on Foxnews this one man said the American people want to drill for more oil and these environmentalists need to get out of the way. Whatever happened to the fair and balanced part maybe never there in the first place. I know these so called elites are leading us down a very dark path as they know not what they do. Ohhh! Great warrior! [laughs and shakes his head] Wars not make one great! "You must unlearn what you have learned." "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will..." Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things. "You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. " Yoda Use the force for knowledge and defense and the time is now. Was I always who I am now, no. Hell been there and back. I knew something was not quite right but I didn’t know what it was. One of my relatives favorite things to say to me was if you are so damn smart how come you are not rich. So of course I tried to get rich and that worked out real well. Then of course drugs and alcohol and after a few years hell was not the right word. I am lucky many don’t make it and the something isn’t quite right part hasn’t changed but I did. Hell or living in a box with walls made of bullshit is not one of my favorite things or people who want me to believe in things that are so far from the truth that they border on insanity not going there if I can help it. I am older and yes it is easer for me now and now day’s the level of bullshit to me is mind boggling. There you know to much now just kidding and hay what about the new thing I hear from our fearless leaders drill, drill, drill it’s what the American people want. Yesterday on Foxnews this one man said the American people want to drill for more oil and these environmentalists need to get out of the way. Whatever happened to the fair and balanced part maybe never there in the first place. I know these so called elites are leading us down a very dark path as they know not what they do.

Ohhh! Great warrior! [laughs and shakes his head]
Wars not make one great!

“You must unlearn what you have learned.” “Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will…”

Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things.

“You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. ” Yoda

Use the force for knowledge and defense and the time is now.

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25863 Donald Hawkins Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:53:28 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25863 The rules for society are made by people who have pretty much one thing in mind, staying in power and making big money. Then of course you have people who work for these people who I guess like being part of that thinking and feel special that way. Let's say you were a fly on the wall at a party for policy makers, big shots. To listen to these people talk at the party and say the fly on the wall has half a brain the fly would understand how far these people are away from reality the real World and the arrogance astounding. I don't think these people think that they are intellects but that the rest of us are just stupid and easily persuaded by bullshit. Now the same thing is true with the stuff you see on TV weather it is news or commercials. The commercials that I see for the most part seem to like to keep you stupid or say it is Ok to be stupid and buy my product it's Ok. Degrading for the most part and again I don't think these people think that they are intellects but that the rest of us are just stupid and easily persuaded by bullshit. Let's look at Hollywood well what happens to a person who was once famous and lost that famous part for whatever reason. They do commercials like maybe for a reverse mortgage or cash for gold. Corporate big shots and the people who make the laws are almost one now. What do you call that Fascism? I don't think we are there yet but darn close. Now was this a master plan by people with secret hand shakes, no. Money makes money and over the years less and less people have more of that money and give that money to the people who make the rules and look how well it as all worked out. Let's pick a number of these groups I just talked about say 5% of the population so that leaves 95%. Now the 95% of us how come we are who we are. Of course this is not true in all cases but I think most people have no desire to be like the other 5% because that voice in the back of our head say's you know something is not quite right with this thinking and I'll be who I am if you don't mind and of course the 5% do want you to be like them well almost they want you to buy there bullshit. Just the one group the policy makers I have watched for the last few day's the Senate. To watch these people talk and there reasons for this or that again I must say I don't think these people think that they are intellects but that the rest of us are just stupid and easily persuaded by bullshit. I was reading the other day and came upon a little something about the Universe you might like. I would suggest that the negative energy attribute of the Universe is spacetime itself, along with it’s dynamic properties of expansion and acceleration due to dark energy. And if you’re looking for a quantum principle that fits in with that, what could be more fitting than the idea that matter and spacetime are quantum conjugates that arose at the moment of the Big Bang, driven by the “negative/dark” energy hyperinflation of spacetime that overrode gravity as mass/matter/radiation came into existence simultaneously? That hyperinflation of spacetime that overrode gravity as mass/matter/radiation came into existence simultaneously. It all seems pretty simple to me! (unknown Author) Hyperinflation when talking about the big bang if you think it did happen was that first trillion, trillion of a second in the beginning when mass was moving faster than the speed of light. The rules for society are made by people who have pretty much one thing in mind, staying in power and making big money. Then of course you have people who work for these people who I guess like being part of that thinking and feel special that way. Let’s say you were a fly on the wall at a party for policy makers, big shots. To listen to these people talk at the party and say the fly on the wall has half a brain the fly would understand how far these people are away from reality the real World and the arrogance astounding. I don’t think these people think that they are intellects but that the rest of us are just stupid and easily persuaded by bullshit. Now the same thing is true with the stuff you see on TV weather it is news or commercials. The commercials that I see for the most part seem to like to keep you stupid or say it is Ok to be stupid and buy my product it’s Ok. Degrading for the most part and again I don’t think these people think that they are intellects but that the rest of us are just stupid and easily persuaded by bullshit. Let’s look at Hollywood well what happens to a person who was once famous and lost that famous part for whatever reason. They do commercials like maybe for a reverse mortgage or cash for gold. Corporate big shots and the people who make the laws are almost one now. What do you call that Fascism? I don’t think we are there yet but darn close. Now was this a master plan by people with secret hand shakes, no. Money makes money and over the years less and less people have more of that money and give that money to the people who make the rules and look how well it as all worked out. Let’s pick a number of these groups I just talked about say 5% of the population so that leaves 95%. Now the 95% of us how come we are who we are. Of course this is not true in all cases but I think most people have no desire to be like the other 5% because that voice in the back of our head say’s you know something is not quite right with this thinking and I’ll be who I am if you don’t mind and of course the 5% do want you to be like them well almost they want you to buy there bullshit. Just the one group the policy makers I have watched for the last few day’s the Senate. To watch these people talk and there reasons for this or that again I must say I don’t think these people think that they are intellects but that the rest of us are just stupid and easily persuaded by bullshit. I was reading the other day and came upon a little something about the Universe you might like.

I would suggest that the negative energy attribute of the Universe is spacetime itself, along with it’s dynamic properties of expansion and acceleration due to dark energy. And if you’re looking for a quantum principle that fits in with that, what could be more fitting than the idea that matter and spacetime are quantum conjugates that arose at the moment of the Big Bang, driven by the “negative/dark” energy hyperinflation of spacetime that overrode gravity as mass/matter/radiation came into existence simultaneously?

That hyperinflation of spacetime that overrode gravity as mass/matter/radiation came into existence simultaneously.

It all seems pretty simple to me! (unknown Author)

Hyperinflation when talking about the big bang if you think it did happen was that first trillion, trillion of a second in the beginning when mass was moving faster than the speed of light.

]]> By: Joseph Broxton http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25852 Joseph Broxton Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:38:52 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25852 It's possible that our Judicial System has strayed away from our equal justice for all (with Liberty and Justice for All). In all fairness, I do not beleive the California Law, three strikes and you're out, is constitutionally fair and justified for an individual..After 10 years of lockup, anyone should be given the right for a paroll hearing, regardless of his or her sentence, especially those who were under 18 when sentenced! I want to add also, that taking Prayer out of the Schools, you will note, our Crime Rate has doubled over the years since, although, I might add, that much is to be said about Parents who don't take their Children to Church regularly, alot of the blame is on us as Parents, when our children are growing up.. Shame on Parents! However, that's for another discussion. It’s possible that our Judicial System has strayed away from our equal justice for all (with Liberty and Justice for All). In all fairness, I do not beleive the California Law, three strikes and you’re out, is constitutionally fair and justified for an individual..After 10 years of lockup, anyone should be given the right for a paroll hearing, regardless of his or her sentence, especially those who were under 18 when sentenced! I want to add also, that taking Prayer out of the Schools, you will note, our Crime Rate has doubled over the years since, although, I might add, that much is to be said about Parents who don’t take their Children to Church regularly, alot of the blame is on us as Parents, when our children are growing up.. Shame on Parents! However, that’s for another discussion.

]]> By: HR http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25844 HR Sun, 03 Aug 2008 00:09:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25844 Our justice system never was anything to brag about, except for the wealthy, which it has ever protected. Hell, in the 70s, there were TV shows depicting what a fouled-up mess of plea-bargaining and coerced confessions it was, a farce which guaranteed that poor people would have to cop a plea or face a stiff jail sentence if they pled innocent, lacking as they did funding sufficient to mount a proper defense. Apparently USans think that is just fine, though, since they continue to elect monsters at all levels of government who never in their wildest dreams would lift a finger to change the wealth-biased judicial system. You'll even hear them even babble incoherently about how we have liberty and justice for all. Ya gets the govamint ya damned well deserve! Our justice system never was anything to brag about, except for the wealthy, which it has ever protected. Hell, in the 70s, there were TV shows depicting what a fouled-up mess of plea-bargaining and coerced confessions it was, a farce which guaranteed that poor people would have to cop a plea or face a stiff jail sentence if they pled innocent, lacking as they did funding sufficient to mount a proper defense. Apparently USans think that is just fine, though, since they continue to elect monsters at all levels of government who never in their wildest dreams would lift a finger to change the wealth-biased judicial system. You’ll even hear them even babble incoherently about how we have liberty and justice for all. Ya gets the govamint ya damned well deserve!

]]> By: rosemarie jackowski http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25842 rosemarie jackowski Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:02:37 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25842 John...The Bush Indictment Project is the answer. Click the link, please. http://www.alienlove.com/modules.php?name=AvantGo2&file=print&sid=2590 John…The Bush Indictment Project is the answer. Click the link, please.

http://www.alienlove.com/modules.php?name=AvantGo2&file=print&sid=2590

]]> By: rosemarie jackowski http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25841 rosemarie jackowski Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:53:48 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25841 John...you make an important point. Tomorrow, Sunday, on C-span2, Book TV, Vincent Bugliosi will give an in depth interview. Topic is why Bush should be Tried for Murder. I think that it can be viewed on the computer. Check the C-span web site. John…you make an important point. Tomorrow, Sunday, on C-span2, Book TV, Vincent Bugliosi will give an in depth interview. Topic is why Bush should be Tried for Murder. I think that it can be viewed on the computer. Check the C-span web site.

]]> By: John Hatch http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25835 John Hatch Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:19:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25835 I'm sure the irony is not lost: Here are kids doing life sentences while the Great Dear Decider can lie, spy, kidnap, torture, 'disappear people', murder people, assassinate people, start two wars and maybe a third, use illegal weapons of mass destruction -Depleted Uranium, Mark 77 (the new napalm), white phosphorous, and probably other experimental weapons like lasers, thermobaric bombs, microwave weapons. But no jail cell for this Christian, whose favorite philosopher is Jesus. http://www.orato.com/podium/2008/07/28/fallujah-america-039-s-heart-darkness I've always wondered how a nation can become so crazy. I'm beginning to understand. Through selfish indifference and wilful ignorance, just ennable people like Bush/Cheney et al. Eventually everyone gets hurt. I’m sure the irony is not lost: Here are kids doing life sentences while the Great Dear Decider can lie, spy, kidnap, torture, ‘disappear people’, murder people, assassinate people, start two wars and maybe a third, use illegal weapons of mass destruction -Depleted Uranium, Mark 77 (the new napalm), white phosphorous, and probably other experimental weapons like lasers, thermobaric bombs, microwave weapons. But no jail cell for this Christian, whose favorite philosopher is Jesus.

http://www.orato.com/podium/2008/07/28/fallujah-america-039-s-heart-darkness

I’ve always wondered how a nation can become so crazy. I’m beginning to understand. Through selfish indifference and wilful ignorance, just ennable people like Bush/Cheney et al. Eventually everyone gets hurt.

]]> By: rosemarie jackowski http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/living-in-hell-for-life/#comment-25834 rosemarie jackowski Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:08:07 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2458#comment-25834 A quote from an article titled "The Deposition" By Rosemarie Jackowski "A citizen in United States should never expect to gain justice through the judicial system. The system is so corrupted that in the rare case when justice prevails, it is not because of, but it is in spite of, the system.” There are many innocent in US prisons, and there are also many who are not innocent who are on the outside. Most lawyers are skilled at gaming the system. The influence of money - 'expert witnesses' who are bought - are a big problem. If that wasn't bad enough - the thrust of most trials is NOT truth and justice. Gaming the system and winning in order to enhance career goals is usually the sought end. There would be more justice in the US, if cases were tried in the streets or in front of high school classes. There is something about law school that seems to destroy a natural appreciation for justice. I am a candidate for Attorney General in Vermont because I have seen the dark side of the system close up. - A quote from an article titled “The Deposition” By Rosemarie Jackowski

“A citizen in United States should never expect to gain justice through the judicial system. The system is so corrupted that in the rare case when justice prevails, it is not because of, but it is in spite of, the system.”

There are many innocent in US prisons, and there are also many who are not innocent who are on the outside. Most lawyers are skilled at gaming the system. The influence of money – ‘expert witnesses’ who are bought – are a big problem.

If that wasn’t bad enough – the thrust of most trials is NOT truth and justice. Gaming the system and winning in order to enhance career goals is usually the sought end.

There would be more justice in the US, if cases were tried in the streets or in front of high school classes. There is something about law school that seems to destroy a natural appreciation for justice.

I am a candidate for Attorney General in Vermont because I have seen the dark side of the system close up.
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