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	<title>Comments on: Israel&#8217;s Outposts Seal Death of Palestinian State</title>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27290</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When someone is going to run for president they are asked right away
what is your stance on Israel? and they always have to say yes they will
support, protect and take care of Israel.  they cannot run for pres. if they don`t state this.  Its sounds really stupid that we are forever required to protect and pay them billions for what?  I know Germany pays them millions of euro also, they have ever since the war. and they can never fight them.  they are petrified to go near the country. 
Who actually pays these Israel lobbyist?????? Israel.  I hate lobbyist.
we should pass a law, against anyone being one. Obama had said he was
against lobbyist so I hope he does something if he gets to be our President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When someone is going to run for president they are asked right away<br />
what is your stance on Israel? and they always have to say yes they will<br />
support, protect and take care of Israel.  they cannot run for pres. if they don`t state this.  Its sounds really stupid that we are forever required to protect and pay them billions for what?  I know Germany pays them millions of euro also, they have ever since the war. and they can never fight them.  they are petrified to go near the country.<br />
Who actually pays these Israel lobbyist?????? Israel.  I hate lobbyist.<br />
we should pass a law, against anyone being one. Obama had said he was<br />
against lobbyist so I hope he does something if he gets to be our President.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27277</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brian,
perhaps, the prediction that peoples who find themselves outside US/EU alliance (for conquest of the planet!?) will become with mutual aid as strong econo-militarily as nato, may not be fullfilled.
or it may.
a prediction that nato may conquer the planet;thus utterly destroy all socialism also might come true.
what we do know is the fact that Russia had said it&#039;ll atack the missile shield that may or may not be placed in poland.
how now brown cow?  are the lines drawn?
may i deduce that a least 6bn people are mighty worried about the latest situation?
that includes perhaps 5%  amers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brian,<br />
perhaps, the prediction that peoples who find themselves outside US/EU alliance (for conquest of the planet!?) will become with mutual aid as strong econo-militarily as nato, may not be fullfilled.<br />
or it may.<br />
a prediction that nato may conquer the planet;thus utterly destroy all socialism also might come true.<br />
what we do know is the fact that Russia had said it&#8217;ll atack the missile shield that may or may not be placed in poland.<br />
how now brown cow?  are the lines drawn?<br />
may i deduce that a least 6bn people are mighty worried about the latest situation?<br />
that includes perhaps 5%  amers.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27274</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brian,
i said that  about 6bn people say  that palestine does not belong to jews or zionists.
i said that  israel will be destroyed by arabs if  zionists refuse to make peace with them. from this, one can see that the aid to arabs by 6bn people is a moral one. again. you don&#039;t read very well.
china and russia have, according reports i read, settled their border disputes and have formed an alliance.
it is not clear on what particulars russia and china agree. we do not know at this time whether china will militarily defend russia if attacked by nato.
india, according reports, also is worried about US intention.
these are facts.
you do not need to waste time criticising; just juxtapose own facts and comclusions.thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brian,<br />
i said that  about 6bn people say  that palestine does not belong to jews or zionists.<br />
i said that  israel will be destroyed by arabs if  zionists refuse to make peace with them. from this, one can see that the aid to arabs by 6bn people is a moral one. again. you don&#8217;t read very well.<br />
china and russia have, according reports i read, settled their border disputes and have formed an alliance.<br />
it is not clear on what particulars russia and china agree. we do not know at this time whether china will militarily defend russia if attacked by nato.<br />
india, according reports, also is worried about US intention.<br />
these are facts.<br />
you do not need to waste time criticising; just juxtapose own facts and comclusions.thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Koontz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27253</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brian,
&quot;first of all you need to learn how to talk to people. then you need to listen what they say.&quot;

I&#039;m sorry. My combination of impatience and anger is not convenient with respect to manners.

&quot;it is not a prediction that russians, chinese, cubans, iraqis, afghanis, koreans, vietnamese, iranians, et al are not friendly with EU/US but a fact.&quot;

It&#039;s also a fact that US is not friendly with US. I&#039;m an American who is unfriendly with US.

Saying the people of the world, in *all* places, are not friendly with the ruling elite of EU/US is an utter fact and is uncontroversial.

&quot;i am not predicting that there will be an alliance facing EU/US alliance.&quot;

What is the meaning of “the 6 bn people are weak now. but with the aid of china/russia/india et al alliance, it’ll become as strong as EU/US alliance.”?

You seem to be saying I&#039;m misunderstanding this quote. So I&#039;ll explain my understanding:

The 6 billion people must mean the global poor, although that number also includes various members of the middle class, even if you&#039;ve rounded up.

You are saying that the china/russia/india alliance (assuming such a thing exists) will benefit these 6 billion people such that they, and I quote, &quot;become as strong as EU/US alliance&quot;.

I don&#039;t even know where to begin to criticize this - for one thing, china/russia/india have no interest in helping the 6 billion non-global elites. And the idea that it can happen as an incidental effect of them pursuing their own interests makes no sense to me.

I tend to think very differently concerning what can help those 6 billion people - *them helping themselves*. A movement for global socialism, fully termed anarchic global socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brian,<br />
&#8220;first of all you need to learn how to talk to people. then you need to listen what they say.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry. My combination of impatience and anger is not convenient with respect to manners.</p>
<p>&#8220;it is not a prediction that russians, chinese, cubans, iraqis, afghanis, koreans, vietnamese, iranians, et al are not friendly with EU/US but a fact.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a fact that US is not friendly with US. I&#8217;m an American who is unfriendly with US.</p>
<p>Saying the people of the world, in *all* places, are not friendly with the ruling elite of EU/US is an utter fact and is uncontroversial.</p>
<p>&#8220;i am not predicting that there will be an alliance facing EU/US alliance.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is the meaning of “the 6 bn people are weak now. but with the aid of china/russia/india et al alliance, it’ll become as strong as EU/US alliance.”?</p>
<p>You seem to be saying I&#8217;m misunderstanding this quote. So I&#8217;ll explain my understanding:</p>
<p>The 6 billion people must mean the global poor, although that number also includes various members of the middle class, even if you&#8217;ve rounded up.</p>
<p>You are saying that the china/russia/india alliance (assuming such a thing exists) will benefit these 6 billion people such that they, and I quote, &#8220;become as strong as EU/US alliance&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even know where to begin to criticize this &#8211; for one thing, china/russia/india have no interest in helping the 6 billion non-global elites. And the idea that it can happen as an incidental effect of them pursuing their own interests makes no sense to me.</p>
<p>I tend to think very differently concerning what can help those 6 billion people &#8211; *them helping themselves*. A movement for global socialism, fully termed anarchic global socialism.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Koontz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27252</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Globalization is the consolidation of the Rule of the Global-Elite-Few over the 6 bn of the world masses. It is NOT a power struggle amongst Nations ( or between Nation blocks/alliances) as it is normally bandied about. Iraq was clobbered because Saddam went astray and decided not to toe the line.&quot;

By listing countries I was referring to the ruling classes of those countries. Ruling classes fight ruling classes - they dominate the populace rather than fight them.

Iraq wasn&#039;t clobbered - it&#039;s ruling class was clobbered. Iraq&#039;s people were collateral damage. The destruction of Iraq&#039;s people, to the extent it matters to the American state, is used as a tool to gain power over the country. (Also bear in mind that the war was ongoing far past the downfall of Iraq&#039;s ruling class because another victim - the American taxpayer - still has blood in him).

The only way an imperial power fights a &quot;people&quot; is if that people create a democratic government for themselves - such as Chile under Allende. The fight is against Allende (and his supporters) and not the Chilean people.

In war the point is not extermination but control. The Chilean people, under Pinochet and his backing by the American state, were transformed and cowed - it was one of the more successful uses of mass terror in human history. But still, the primary point of the Pinochet regime was not to transform Chileans but to ensure a pleasant climate for American imperialism. It was a fight between ruling classes, with the people being collateral damage.

The only way &quot;the people&quot; will ever be fought is when they themselves *become* the ruling class. That is to say, when Anarchism rules. At that point these techniques of mass terror and technologies of mass psychosis that the global elite have been practicing for decades will get a true test.

Global Anarchism vs. Global Capitalism may actually be the &quot;war to end all wars&quot;. Then it will truly be the global elite vs. the global people, but that time is yet to come. Hastening such a war is the only grand purpose for the people of today.

The reason that the American state never goes to war against a people is the same reason they never go to war against ants - there&#039;s no point in warring against something that isn&#039;t a threat and isn&#039;t expected to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Globalization is the consolidation of the Rule of the Global-Elite-Few over the 6 bn of the world masses. It is NOT a power struggle amongst Nations ( or between Nation blocks/alliances) as it is normally bandied about. Iraq was clobbered because Saddam went astray and decided not to toe the line.&#8221;</p>
<p>By listing countries I was referring to the ruling classes of those countries. Ruling classes fight ruling classes &#8211; they dominate the populace rather than fight them.</p>
<p>Iraq wasn&#8217;t clobbered &#8211; it&#8217;s ruling class was clobbered. Iraq&#8217;s people were collateral damage. The destruction of Iraq&#8217;s people, to the extent it matters to the American state, is used as a tool to gain power over the country. (Also bear in mind that the war was ongoing far past the downfall of Iraq&#8217;s ruling class because another victim &#8211; the American taxpayer &#8211; still has blood in him).</p>
<p>The only way an imperial power fights a &#8220;people&#8221; is if that people create a democratic government for themselves &#8211; such as Chile under Allende. The fight is against Allende (and his supporters) and not the Chilean people.</p>
<p>In war the point is not extermination but control. The Chilean people, under Pinochet and his backing by the American state, were transformed and cowed &#8211; it was one of the more successful uses of mass terror in human history. But still, the primary point of the Pinochet regime was not to transform Chileans but to ensure a pleasant climate for American imperialism. It was a fight between ruling classes, with the people being collateral damage.</p>
<p>The only way &#8220;the people&#8221; will ever be fought is when they themselves *become* the ruling class. That is to say, when Anarchism rules. At that point these techniques of mass terror and technologies of mass psychosis that the global elite have been practicing for decades will get a true test.</p>
<p>Global Anarchism vs. Global Capitalism may actually be the &#8220;war to end all wars&#8221;. Then it will truly be the global elite vs. the global people, but that time is yet to come. Hastening such a war is the only grand purpose for the people of today.</p>
<p>The reason that the American state never goes to war against a people is the same reason they never go to war against ants &#8211; there&#8217;s no point in warring against something that isn&#8217;t a threat and isn&#8217;t expected to be.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27192</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let us recall that people do not change. all of us rose from the same genetic pool.
but bombs, missiles, planes change all the time. whether we are armed with sticks and rocks or with bombs, we are the same joes and josephines.
the renewable energies such as hate, anger, greed, fear, envy have been with us for eons and will be with us for eons.
thus, we may fight one another for eons.
and a global nuclear war  is an ergodic event (having zero chance of not occurring)
unless  ....... thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let us recall that people do not change. all of us rose from the same genetic pool.<br />
but bombs, missiles, planes change all the time. whether we are armed with sticks and rocks or with bombs, we are the same joes and josephines.<br />
the renewable energies such as hate, anger, greed, fear, envy have been with us for eons and will be with us for eons.<br />
thus, we may fight one another for eons.<br />
and a global nuclear war  is an ergodic event (having zero chance of not occurring)<br />
unless  &#8230;&#8230;. thank u</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27191</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there isn&#039;t that much written about india. so, i do not know whether indian present and future gov&#039;ts will opt for a structure of governance that is similar or same as that of US.
we do not know that even russia under relentless pressure from world plutos will not cry uncle.
we do not know that we won&#039;t have a limited  nuclear war.  if temperatures rise more than 4c in next century, much will change.
thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there isn&#8217;t that much written about india. so, i do not know whether indian present and future gov&#8217;ts will opt for a structure of governance that is similar or same as that of US.<br />
we do not know that even russia under relentless pressure from world plutos will not cry uncle.<br />
we do not know that we won&#8217;t have a limited  nuclear war.  if temperatures rise more than 4c in next century, much will change.<br />
thank u</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27189</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>china, as far as i can make out, is building or thinks/wants to build a better life for all of its people.
i hope they succeed. i do not think that zionists will be welcome in china.
zionists now are as strongly antisocialists as both the dems and repubs.
i think world plutos are united like never before to obtain the planet and to utterly destroy all socialism. thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>china, as far as i can make out, is building or thinks/wants to build a better life for all of its people.<br />
i hope they succeed. i do not think that zionists will be welcome in china.<br />
zionists now are as strongly antisocialists as both the dems and repubs.<br />
i think world plutos are united like never before to obtain the planet and to utterly destroy all socialism. thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27185</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would surprise me that with the just ended 2008 Beijing Olympics, the opportunity was not taken to lay the groundwork  for the creation of  the Chinese Israeli Public Affairs Committee (CIPAC). And if it already existed, then greatly strengthened.

There is  greater affinity of interests, likes and dislikes, between a Wall Street shyster, an Arab sheik and a modern mandarin than with their own respective bottom of the ladder people....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would surprise me that with the just ended 2008 Beijing Olympics, the opportunity was not taken to lay the groundwork  for the creation of  the Chinese Israeli Public Affairs Committee (CIPAC). And if it already existed, then greatly strengthened.</p>
<p>There is  greater affinity of interests, likes and dislikes, between a Wall Street shyster, an Arab sheik and a modern mandarin than with their own respective bottom of the ladder people&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27184</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brian,
first of all  you need to learn how to talk to people. then you need to listen what they say.
it is not a prediction that russians, chinese, cubans, iraqis, afghanis, koreans, vietnamese, iranians, et al are not friendly with EU/US but a fact.
i am not predicting that there will be an alliance facing EU/US alliance. this two is a fact
in any case, if you continue to talk to me as you did in your post, you canbe sure i won&#039;t read your posts.
i have enough of that from msm an dother people who have nothing useful to say but resort to ad hominem labels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brian,<br />
first of all  you need to learn how to talk to people. then you need to listen what they say.<br />
it is not a prediction that russians, chinese, cubans, iraqis, afghanis, koreans, vietnamese, iranians, et al are not friendly with EU/US but a fact.<br />
i am not predicting that there will be an alliance facing EU/US alliance. this two is a fact<br />
in any case, if you continue to talk to me as you did in your post, you canbe sure i won&#8217;t read your posts.<br />
i have enough of that from msm an dother people who have nothing useful to say but resort to ad hominem labels.</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27175</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Koontz,
Don&#039;t be surprised if China already has  not  been infiltrated by Zionists working themselve up into their government. 
Globalization is the consolidation of the Rule of the Global-Elite-Few over the 6 bn of the world masses. It is NOT a power struggle amongst Nations ( or between Nation blocks/alliances) as it is normally bandied about. Iraq was clobbered because Saddam went astray and  decided not to toe the line.
Iran will be clobbered for  similar reasons. So  will Venezuela and North Korea, and so on whoever decides to rear its ugly head in protest.  &quot;Global Nirvana&quot; will descend on Earth when All the Global Elites will Dance Joyfully to the same Tune and to the detriment and subjugation of the people they each and separately rule. 
Then (plagiarizing A. Pope)
The curtain will fall;
And Universal Darkness buries All,
And makes one Mighty  DUNCIAD of  Us All!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Koontz,<br />
Don&#8217;t be surprised if China already has  not  been infiltrated by Zionists working themselve up into their government.<br />
Globalization is the consolidation of the Rule of the Global-Elite-Few over the 6 bn of the world masses. It is NOT a power struggle amongst Nations ( or between Nation blocks/alliances) as it is normally bandied about. Iraq was clobbered because Saddam went astray and  decided not to toe the line.<br />
Iran will be clobbered for  similar reasons. So  will Venezuela and North Korea, and so on whoever decides to rear its ugly head in protest.  &#8220;Global Nirvana&#8221; will descend on Earth when All the Global Elites will Dance Joyfully to the same Tune and to the detriment and subjugation of the people they each and separately rule.<br />
Then (plagiarizing A. Pope)<br />
The curtain will fall;<br />
And Universal Darkness buries All,<br />
And makes one Mighty  DUNCIAD of  Us All!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Koontz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27170</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the 6 bn people are weak now. but with the aid of china/russia/india et al alliance, it’ll become as strong as EU/US alliance.&quot;

So you&#039;re separating the world into EU/US/Israel/Colombia/Georgia/Japan/Canada/Mexico/I&#039;ve missed some vs. the rest?

Neither China nor India are enemies of this Western configuration. India is some form of ally and China is mixed.

Furthermore, it&#039;s not like the opposition to the Western Alliance is a charity service - so Palestine is not going to become some kind of &quot;cause of justice&quot; unless they want a major confrontation with the Western Alliance.

The future is very difficult to predict, and your prediction seems to be ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the 6 bn people are weak now. but with the aid of china/russia/india et al alliance, it’ll become as strong as EU/US alliance.&#8221;</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re separating the world into EU/US/Israel/Colombia/Georgia/Japan/Canada/Mexico/I&#8217;ve missed some vs. the rest?</p>
<p>Neither China nor India are enemies of this Western configuration. India is some form of ally and China is mixed.</p>
<p>Furthermore, it&#8217;s not like the opposition to the Western Alliance is a charity service &#8211; so Palestine is not going to become some kind of &#8220;cause of justice&#8221; unless they want a major confrontation with the Western Alliance.</p>
<p>The future is very difficult to predict, and your prediction seems to be ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: DRL</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27151</link>
		<dc:creator>DRL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, what Gliscameria said.

But the world IS a tad messed up. What&#039;s confounding is that the cousin is considered so precious that not only is his appropriation of the house considered a done deal, the rest of the neighborhood needs to spend its precious treasure to ensure his happiness and safety.

Um, what is that called, again ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, what Gliscameria said.</p>
<p>But the world IS a tad messed up. What&#8217;s confounding is that the cousin is considered so precious that not only is his appropriation of the house considered a done deal, the rest of the neighborhood needs to spend its precious treasure to ensure his happiness and safety.</p>
<p>Um, what is that called, again &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gliscameria</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27144</link>
		<dc:creator>Gliscameria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must not know much about history, but it seems to me that the Israel-Palestine thing is essentially like letting a cousin stay in your house because his burnt down, then he refuses to leave, annexes your kitchen, kills your dog and moves in 5 of his friends who have police escorts.  All while the local news praises these brave settlers and labels you a slumlord.

The world simply cannot be this messed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must not know much about history, but it seems to me that the Israel-Palestine thing is essentially like letting a cousin stay in your house because his burnt down, then he refuses to leave, annexes your kitchen, kills your dog and moves in 5 of his friends who have police escorts.  All while the local news praises these brave settlers and labels you a slumlord.</p>
<p>The world simply cannot be this messed up.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27139</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the zionist are mistaken: palestine will never be theirs. at least 6 bn people say so.
the 6 bn people are weak now. but with the aid of china/russia/india et al alliance, it&#039;ll  become as strong as EU/US alliance.
world plutos, and not just EU/US superrich, facing such an opposion that may rise to 10bn people, may find that defending a criminal state like israel is no longer a good idea.
once rich people abandon israel, israel will have to make peace with all of the arabs or face destruction. 
in any case whatsoever,  jews will, as separatists, alway be in  trouble. unless they discard their disastrous cult. thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the zionist are mistaken: palestine will never be theirs. at least 6 bn people say so.<br />
the 6 bn people are weak now. but with the aid of china/russia/india et al alliance, it&#8217;ll  become as strong as EU/US alliance.<br />
world plutos, and not just EU/US superrich, facing such an opposion that may rise to 10bn people, may find that defending a criminal state like israel is no longer a good idea.<br />
once rich people abandon israel, israel will have to make peace with all of the arabs or face destruction.<br />
in any case whatsoever,  jews will, as separatists, alway be in  trouble. unless they discard their disastrous cult. thank u</p>
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		<title>By: DRL</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27138</link>
		<dc:creator>DRL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“All of this land is Jewish,” she said. 

Honey, emigration of jews from Europe to Palestine took place on the condition that  incoming jews and native Palestinians would receive equal treatment, with full compensation to Palestinians for the inconvenience of the mass influx of a foreign population [do keep in mind that Palestinians had nothing to do with European persecution of jews]. 

It was radical Zionist militias, headed by the likes of Begin, Sharon, Shamir, etc, who stepped in to wear out the British Mandate through covert armed action [known today as &#039;terrorism&#039;], finagled the UNSC into agreeing to disarm the local population, in the name of &#039;peace&#039; [no less!], whereupon militant Zionist organizations proceeded to cleanse Palestine of its rightful inhabitants. What&#039;s most disturbing, of all, is that this operation continues, virtually uncontested, to this day.

The claim that the ground under your feet is &#039;jewish&#039; [does it follow, then, that the ground I tread is atheist?] is to overlook the terms on which your forebears were permitted to take refuge in Palestine in the first place.

Unfortunately, radical Zionists transformed the incoming refugees into ambitious colonizers, in the eyes of the indigenous population, when their natural inclination most likely would have been to behave like the fortunate guests they were, mixing and intermingling with the existing local jewish and arab populations.

Dearie, it&#039;s the zealousness and ambition of extremist elements in your midst, and their very effective, decades&#039; long mind-shaping campaigns, that make you a mouthpiece for some pretty vile policies.

Sorta like what your ancestors fled, no? 

PS: Imagine, Mrs Genud, what Palestine might look like, today, had the generations of your grandparents and parents had the good sense to join forces with your hosts, behaving like guests rather than assassins ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“All of this land is Jewish,” she said. </p>
<p>Honey, emigration of jews from Europe to Palestine took place on the condition that  incoming jews and native Palestinians would receive equal treatment, with full compensation to Palestinians for the inconvenience of the mass influx of a foreign population [do keep in mind that Palestinians had nothing to do with European persecution of jews]. </p>
<p>It was radical Zionist militias, headed by the likes of Begin, Sharon, Shamir, etc, who stepped in to wear out the British Mandate through covert armed action [known today as 'terrorism'], finagled the UNSC into agreeing to disarm the local population, in the name of &#8216;peace&#8217; [no less!], whereupon militant Zionist organizations proceeded to cleanse Palestine of its rightful inhabitants. What&#8217;s most disturbing, of all, is that this operation continues, virtually uncontested, to this day.</p>
<p>The claim that the ground under your feet is &#8216;jewish&#8217; [does it follow, then, that the ground I tread is atheist?] is to overlook the terms on which your forebears were permitted to take refuge in Palestine in the first place.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, radical Zionists transformed the incoming refugees into ambitious colonizers, in the eyes of the indigenous population, when their natural inclination most likely would have been to behave like the fortunate guests they were, mixing and intermingling with the existing local jewish and arab populations.</p>
<p>Dearie, it&#8217;s the zealousness and ambition of extremist elements in your midst, and their very effective, decades&#8217; long mind-shaping campaigns, that make you a mouthpiece for some pretty vile policies.</p>
<p>Sorta like what your ancestors fled, no? </p>
<p>PS: Imagine, Mrs Genud, what Palestine might look like, today, had the generations of your grandparents and parents had the good sense to join forces with your hosts, behaving like guests rather than assassins &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/israels-outposts-seal-death-of-palestinian-state/#comment-27135</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“It would be a big mistake if we give up what is rightfully ours.”&lt;/i&gt;
Funny, that&#039;s exactly what the Palestinians say. Except that they&#039;re the ones whose land is being stolen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“It would be a big mistake if we give up what is rightfully ours.”</i><br />
Funny, that&#8217;s exactly what the Palestinians say. Except that they&#8217;re the ones whose land is being stolen.</p>
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