Comments on: You Can’t Tell a Magazine by Its Cover http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/you-can%e2%80%99t-tell-a-magazine-by-its-cover/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:30:43 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Isosceles http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/you-can%e2%80%99t-tell-a-magazine-by-its-cover/#comment-25583 Isosceles Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:21:38 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2350#comment-25583 Lizza's article makes clear that Obama's "ideal map" was not anything like the actual map that he ended up with that included the Gold Coast, Loop and South Loop neighborhoods in the City of Chicago. In addition, the input Obama gave on the map occurred 1 year BEFORE the Democrats took control in Illinois rather than AFTER they took over the majority in the legislature. Lizza states: "During the previous round of remapping, in 1991, Republicans had created Chicago districts where African-Americans were the overwhelming majority, packing the greatest number of loyal Democrats into the fewest districts. A decade later, Democrats tried to spread the African-American vote among more districts. The idea was to create enough Democratic-leaning districts so that the Party could take control of the state legislature. That goal was fine with Obama; his new district offered promising, untapped constituencies for him as he considered his next political move." The Illinois redistricting process increased minority representation in Springfield. It seems to me that Obama was simply a team player in helping his Caucus achieve this laudable goal and, at the same time, a fair map where Democrats might have a chance at having a majority in the Illinois legislature. Lizza’s article makes clear that Obama’s “ideal map” was not anything like the actual map that he ended up with that included the Gold Coast, Loop and South Loop neighborhoods in the City of Chicago. In addition, the input Obama gave on the map occurred 1 year BEFORE the Democrats took control in Illinois rather than AFTER they took over the majority in the legislature. Lizza states:

“During the previous round of remapping, in 1991, Republicans had created Chicago districts where African-Americans were the overwhelming majority, packing the greatest number of loyal Democrats into the fewest districts. A decade later, Democrats tried to spread the African-American vote among more districts. The idea was to create enough Democratic-leaning districts so that the Party could take control of the state legislature. That goal was fine with Obama; his new district offered promising, untapped constituencies for him as he considered his next political move.”

The Illinois redistricting process increased minority representation in Springfield. It seems to me that Obama was simply a team player in helping his Caucus achieve this laudable goal and, at the same time, a fair map where Democrats might have a chance at having a majority in the Illinois legislature.

]]> By: Erroll http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/you-can%e2%80%99t-tell-a-magazine-by-its-cover/#comment-24901 Erroll Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:24:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2350#comment-24901 Max at 2:51 pm Nicely stated. As Nader has observed, if Obama and the Democrats cannot defeat McCain this November, then they need to pick up their marbles, go home, and start all over again [as well as hang their heads in disgrace]. But as Obama seems to be doing his best to appear to be to the right of McCain, then that makes it more difficult for Americans to determine which of the two is the more militaristic as well as imperialistic. Max at 2:51 pm

Nicely stated. As Nader has observed, if Obama and the Democrats cannot defeat McCain this November, then they need to pick up their marbles, go home, and start all over again [as well as hang their heads in disgrace]. But as Obama seems to be doing his best to appear to be to the right of McCain, then that makes it more difficult for Americans to determine which of the two is the more militaristic as well as imperialistic.

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/you-can%e2%80%99t-tell-a-magazine-by-its-cover/#comment-24893 Max Shields Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:51:56 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2350#comment-24893 D Peezy If it makes you feel heady and intellectually superior and self-righteous to cast your vote for Obama. Knock yourself out. But guess what, no one will know, and no one will care. I’m just sayin’…. D Peezy
If it makes you feel heady and intellectually superior and self-righteous to cast your vote for Obama. Knock yourself out. But guess what, no one will know, and no one will care.
I’m just sayin’….

]]> By: D Peezy http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/you-can%e2%80%99t-tell-a-magazine-by-its-cover/#comment-24876 D Peezy Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:29:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2350#comment-24876 However dull and ignorant the American public's and American media's sense of humor may be, the fact remains that there is an abundance of hypersensitivity around racial issues and political correctness right now. It may have a lot to do with the Left wing and Obama supporter's fear of anything that might impede what should be a cake walk into the White House. The daunting thought of another 4 or (God forbid) 8 years under Republican rule is too much for some folks to bear. The last 8 years of political, financial, and moral disaster in the US is enough to suck the sense of humor out of just about any American citizen. However, the thing that I dislike about Zeese's discussion is that there's plenty of allusions to Obama's flaws, but no reference is made to what the alternative will bring to the table. McCain is a verbally abusive, old school military conservative. Allowing his agenda to be indoctrinated into the White House has got 8 more years of disaster written all over it. And please folks, let's be realistic. Those of you who are talking about voting for Nader are just being selfish and ignorant. He hasn't got a chance in hell of winning. The only thing you do by voting for him is make it that much easier for McCain to win. If it makes you feel heady and intellectually superior and self-righteous to cast your vote for Nader. Knock yourself out. But guess what, no one will know, and no one will care. I'm just sayin'.... However dull and ignorant the American public’s and American media’s sense of humor may be, the fact remains that there is an abundance of hypersensitivity around racial issues and political correctness right now. It may have a lot to do with the Left wing and Obama supporter’s fear of anything that might impede what should be a cake walk into the White House. The daunting thought of another 4 or (God forbid) 8 years under Republican rule is too much for some folks to bear. The last 8 years of political, financial, and moral disaster in the US is enough to suck the sense of humor out of just about any American citizen.

However, the thing that I dislike about Zeese’s discussion is that there’s plenty of allusions to Obama’s flaws, but no reference is made to what the alternative will bring to the table. McCain is a verbally abusive, old school military conservative. Allowing his agenda to be indoctrinated into the White House has got 8 more years of disaster written all over it. And please folks, let’s be realistic. Those of you who are talking about voting for Nader are just being selfish and ignorant. He hasn’t got a chance in hell of winning. The only thing you do by voting for him is make it that much easier for McCain to win. If it makes you feel heady and intellectually superior and self-righteous to cast your vote for Nader. Knock yourself out. But guess what, no one will know, and no one will care.
I’m just sayin’….

]]> By: Martha http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/you-can%e2%80%99t-tell-a-magazine-by-its-cover/#comment-24872 Martha Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:36:48 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2350#comment-24872 Agree with Keesha. The cover's supposed to be funny. It is or isn't by your own tastes. But this "It's racist!" nonsense is just more race card playing from Whitey. We heard it on KPFA this morning as an entire segment was wasted on that nonsense. It's distraction. That's all BO offers. Agree with Keesha. The cover’s supposed to be funny. It is or isn’t by your own tastes. But this “It’s racist!” nonsense is just more race card playing from Whitey. We heard it on KPFA this morning as an entire segment was wasted on that nonsense.
It’s distraction. That’s all BO offers.

]]> By: Keesha http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/you-can%e2%80%99t-tell-a-magazine-by-its-cover/#comment-24858 Keesha Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:06:21 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2350#comment-24858 The cover was not anti-Black. You might be able to say the spoof was anti-Black Liberation (Michelle as some Angela Davis clone) but that's about it. As an African-American I am amazed that Barack continue to run on 'history' but the 'historic' nature an only be noted by him. I saw worse during Jimmy Carter's presidency. Anyone else remember the TV show Carter Country or all the Billy Carter jokes? Noting that Barack Obama is Black isn't racism. It is incorrect because he's biracial. But regardless, this screaming racism everytime his skin color is noted is getting real damn old. If The New Yorker weren't so White would it be an issue? When Chris Rock joked that the White House would have to be called the Black House, I don't remember an uproar. I also disagree with Zeese, I don't think Barack will win in November. The GOP machine will gear up in August. Barack's already struggling without it. With everything that's happened in the last 8 years, a Democrat should be polling 20 to 25% ahead of the Republican nominee. It's not happening and it's because a lot of people don't trust Barack. That's not about his race. It's about his empty rhetoric. Yeah, I know, his campaign has painted any state he lost as "racist." I'm getting real tired of that trick too. Vote Cynthia or Ralph. They are the only hope. The cover was not anti-Black. You might be able to say the spoof was anti-Black Liberation (Michelle as some Angela Davis clone) but that’s about it.
As an African-American I am amazed that Barack continue to run on ‘history’ but the ‘historic’ nature an only be noted by him. I saw worse during Jimmy Carter’s presidency. Anyone else remember the TV show Carter Country or all the Billy Carter jokes?
Noting that Barack Obama is Black isn’t racism. It is incorrect because he’s biracial. But regardless, this screaming racism everytime his skin color is noted is getting real damn old.
If The New Yorker weren’t so White would it be an issue? When Chris Rock joked that the White House would have to be called the Black House, I don’t remember an uproar.
I also disagree with Zeese, I don’t think Barack will win in November. The GOP machine will gear up in August. Barack’s already struggling without it. With everything that’s happened in the last 8 years, a Democrat should be polling 20 to 25% ahead of the Republican nominee. It’s not happening and it’s because a lot of people don’t trust Barack. That’s not about his race. It’s about his empty rhetoric.
Yeah, I know, his campaign has painted any state he lost as “racist.” I’m getting real tired of that trick too.
Vote Cynthia or Ralph. They are the only hope.

]]> By: rosemarie jackowski http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/you-can%e2%80%99t-tell-a-magazine-by-its-cover/#comment-24851 rosemarie jackowski Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:53:13 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2350#comment-24851 The average USAsian is not intelligent enought to understand satire BUT the publisher of The New Yorker understands capitalism. I, personally did not like the cover because it feeds into the lies about Obama and does not deal with real issues. How about a national discussion on the historical facts that Rev. Wright brought up. I challenge The New Yorker and all others who control the presses and the mikes. VOTE NADER The average USAsian is not intelligent enought to understand satire BUT the publisher of The New Yorker understands capitalism. I, personally did not like the cover because it feeds into the lies about Obama and does not deal with real issues. How about a national discussion on the historical facts that Rev. Wright brought up. I challenge The New Yorker and all others who control the presses and the mikes.
VOTE NADER

]]> By: HR http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/you-can%e2%80%99t-tell-a-magazine-by-its-cover/#comment-24846 HR Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:05:34 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2350#comment-24846 Ho hum. Is this old stuff supposed to be informative. The guy has been an opportunistic phony. His carefully worded speech at the 2004 convention was just one example. Ho hum. Is this old stuff supposed to be informative. The guy has been an opportunistic phony. His carefully worded speech at the 2004 convention was just one example.

]]> By: hp http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/you-can%e2%80%99t-tell-a-magazine-by-its-cover/#comment-24843 hp Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:39:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2350#comment-24843 Yea, but did you look at the back page? http://bp2.blogger.com/_a-Su2SAnGYU/SHyxHiWS7GI/AAAAAAAAFNk/--l3DT8rS3w/s400/ziodrek+6.jpg Yea, but did you look at the back page?

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]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/you-can%e2%80%99t-tell-a-magazine-by-its-cover/#comment-24832 Deadbeat Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:10:13 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2350#comment-24832 The cover probably would have been less controversial has they used Al Capone. However by using the anti-Muslim and anti-Black motif caused the controversy and distraction from an informative article. The cover probably would have been less controversial has they used Al Capone. However by using the anti-Muslim and anti-Black motif caused the controversy and distraction from an informative article.

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