Comments on: Worse Than McCain http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24879 bozhidar balkas Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:05:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24879 hp, good analyses/nalogy. thank u hp,
good analyses/nalogy. thank u

]]> By: hp http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24845 hp Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:57:10 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24845 'Republican' McCain: "If I see you walking down the road, I'll run you over." (then he runs you over) 'Democrat' Obama" "If I see you walking down the road, I won't run you over." (then he runs you over) ‘Republican’ McCain: “If I see you walking down the road, I’ll run you over.”
(then he runs you over)

‘Democrat’ Obama” “If I see you walking down the road, I won’t run you over.”
(then he runs you over)

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24829 bozhidar balkas Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:34:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24829 deadbeat, who/what's Left in US? one person ( i don't remember who) tells us that the Left had left nader. a Leftist to me is a socialist. a socialist is against accumulation of wealth by individuals or individual owenership of media. a Leftist is for free higher education, medicare. these r the pillars of socialism. i always thought that more than 90% of amers r against socialism. that's why nader is polling ab 6% of votes. thank u deadbeat,
who/what’s Left in US? one person ( i don’t remember who) tells us that the Left had left nader.
a Leftist to me is a socialist. a socialist is against accumulation of wealth by individuals or individual owenership of media. a Leftist is for free higher education, medicare.
these r the pillars of socialism. i always thought that more than 90% of amers r against socialism.
that’s why nader is polling ab 6% of votes. thank u

]]> By: Martha http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24824 Martha Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:48:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24824 Max, exactly right about Rachel Maddow. John Walsh has articles here from time to time and he did one on Air America Radio when it wasn't all that old. If you remember, Maddow was against withdrawal from Iraq over and over. She is not left or liberal or progressive. She's a centerist war hawk. Max, exactly right about Rachel Maddow. John Walsh has articles here from time to time and he did one on Air America Radio when it wasn’t all that old. If you remember, Maddow was against withdrawal from Iraq over and over. She is not left or liberal or progressive. She’s a centerist war hawk.

]]> By: Edwin Pell http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24780 Edwin Pell Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:22:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24780 Obama is the happy face on corporatism. Obama is the happy face on corporatism.

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24749 Max Shields Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:19:30 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24749 Anybody notice how Obama never talks about re-framing the "war on terror", something even Kerry said needed to be done? Obama is not the problem it's thost Progressives for Obama that are the problem. Obama is a militarist who is willing to do whatever it takes to defend Israel, to invade Pakistan and increase military force in Afghanistan and to keep for an undetermined time the occuption of Iraq. Obama says he'll end the "war" in Iraq. There is NO war in Iraq. The US has been occupying Iraq while an insurgency has continued to go on. Want to get a good sense of the Obama sheep - just listen to the MSNBC Obama shill Rachel Maddow- who seems to find nothing wrong with Obama's pledge to increase the military and put more boots on the in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In fact she actually sees Obama's militarist position "visionary"!! Obama has faux racism on his left-flank, corporate MSM pushing his brand, some on the right seeing that there is no difference between McCain and Obama. With Obama we are actually moving backwards. Where the discussion has changed from: "why are we fighting a "war on terror" to "it's the right war just the wrong country". McKinney just needs 5% and you don't have to vote for these warmongers. If we all just voted Nader or McKinney we'd be shoving it to this propaganda machine. Anybody notice how Obama never talks about re-framing the “war on terror”, something even Kerry said needed to be done?

Obama is not the problem it’s thost Progressives for Obama that are the problem. Obama is a militarist who is willing to do whatever it takes to defend Israel, to invade Pakistan and increase military force in Afghanistan and to keep for an undetermined time the occuption of Iraq.

Obama says he’ll end the “war” in Iraq. There is NO war in Iraq. The US has been occupying Iraq while an insurgency has continued to go on.

Want to get a good sense of the Obama sheep – just listen to the MSNBC Obama shill Rachel Maddow- who seems to find nothing wrong with Obama’s pledge to increase the military and put more boots on the in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In fact she actually sees Obama’s militarist position “visionary”!!

Obama has faux racism on his left-flank, corporate MSM pushing his brand, some on the right seeing that there is no difference between McCain and Obama.

With Obama we are actually moving backwards. Where the discussion has changed from: “why are we fighting a “war on terror” to “it’s the right war just the wrong country”.

McKinney just needs 5% and you don’t have to vote for these warmongers. If we all just voted Nader or McKinney we’d be shoving it to this propaganda machine.

]]> By: Rich Griffin http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24744 Rich Griffin Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:54:30 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24744 Did anybody listen to Cynthia McKinney's acceptance speech?? She DOES offer (as does Nader) a real alternative; I agree with her 100% on all issues; she is a true progressive. Stop worrying about "viability" & start building real movements by voting outside the two party (sic) system in all elections, not just Presidential, but all elections. Did anybody listen to Cynthia McKinney’s acceptance speech?? She DOES offer (as does Nader) a real alternative; I agree with her 100% on all issues; she is a true progressive. Stop worrying about “viability” & start building real movements by voting outside the two party (sic) system in all elections, not just Presidential, but all elections.

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24743 Deadbeat Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:48:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24743 And what does the "left" have to offer? The "left" is very much responsible for the void that led to the emergence to Barack Obama. And what does the “left” have to offer? The “left” is very much responsible for the void that led to the emergence to Barack Obama.

]]> By: Don http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24736 Don Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:04:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24736 Lets face it. Democrat and Republican candidates both ascribe to the agendas of the monsters at NWO, Tri-Lateral, CFR, AIPAC, NAU to satisfy their own political aspirations. The aforementioned groups select the candidates from both parties and have MSM marginalize the others. They stack the deck! They win no matter which Dem or Rep is elected! We no longer have a government for "We the People". Last night, on the world stage, Miss USA fell and gracefully sprang to her feet and moved on. What an inspiration! Our elected officials fall on the world stage daily and don't even seem to know it! We must think outside the (ballot) box. It's time to elect a third party and break the stranglehold cast upon us. Time is running out. This election may very well be the last opportunity to get the ship of state back on course. Lets face it. Democrat and Republican candidates both ascribe to the agendas of the monsters at NWO, Tri-Lateral, CFR, AIPAC, NAU to satisfy their own political aspirations. The aforementioned groups select the candidates from both parties and have MSM marginalize the others. They stack the deck! They win no matter which Dem or Rep is elected! We no longer have a government for “We the People”.
Last night, on the world stage, Miss USA fell and gracefully sprang to her feet and moved on. What an inspiration! Our elected officials fall on the world stage daily and don’t even seem to know it!
We must think outside the (ballot) box. It’s time to elect a third party and break the stranglehold cast upon us. Time is running out. This election may very well be the last opportunity to get the ship of state back on course.

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24731 Max Shields Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:57:14 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24731 Timber you've nailed it. He is the shield for Empire. The corporatists couldn't have found a better front man. The right Repugs are right there with Obama. He is the worst nightmare for minorities and progressives. Timber you’ve nailed it.

He is the shield for Empire. The corporatists couldn’t have found a better front man.

The right Repugs are right there with Obama. He is the worst nightmare for minorities and progressives.

]]> By: Timber http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24726 Timber Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:48:28 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24726 As long as they have Fox News and other right-wing neofascist groups criticizing Obama (or his wife) over some trivial non-issue, Democrats and mainstream liberals will be able to pretend that critics from the left are just being "unrealistic." After the election results of 2006 proved the Democratic leadership to be worthless at best and complicit liars from my perspective when it came to impeachment, Iraq withdrawal, and election reform, their supporters resorted to absurd excuses to explain it all away. They couldn't wait for the horserace of the presidential election to take issues back off the table. Obama will legitimize much of what Bush has been criticized for over the past several years, just as the Democrats' refusal to initiate impeachment proceedings have. After all, they've said along that it's only Bush's means that they disagree with, not his crimes. As long as they have Fox News and other right-wing neofascist groups criticizing Obama (or his wife) over some trivial non-issue, Democrats and mainstream liberals will be able to pretend that critics from the left are just being “unrealistic.”

After the election results of 2006 proved the Democratic leadership to be worthless at best and complicit liars from my perspective when it came to impeachment, Iraq withdrawal, and election reform, their supporters resorted to absurd excuses to explain it all away. They couldn’t wait for the horserace of the presidential election to take issues back off the table.

Obama will legitimize much of what Bush has been criticized for over the past several years, just as the Democrats’ refusal to initiate impeachment proceedings have. After all, they’ve said along that it’s only Bush’s means that they disagree with, not his crimes.

]]> By: Dave Silver http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24724 Dave Silver Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:28:25 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24724 So let's support Cynthia McKine, the Green Party candidate thyat wants to build andalternative independent Movement. Not Nader who does not. Dave Silver So let’s support Cynthia McKine, the Green Party candidate thyat wants
to build andalternative independent Movement. Not Nader who
does not.
Dave Silver

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24718 bozhidar balkas Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:39:24 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24718 correction, "i'l tie self up in knots; and i'l feel lot better" correction, “i’l tie self up in knots; and i’l feel lot better”

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24717 bozhidar balkas Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:37:08 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24717 i'l just tie self up in notes; and i'l feel lot better. i'm not in agreement w. people who personalize events; or propagate cult of the personality. a prez to me is just one person. a person who for much of his/her life was raised by uncle sam. such a person is loyal to the uncle. cult of personality is/was propagated by the funni uncle. it was/is done to impress amers how great/powerful the leader is/was. another purpose for cultivation of a cult was to hide the invisible hand that rules 'rica. thank u i’l just tie self up in notes; and i’l feel lot better.
i’m not in agreement w. people who personalize events; or propagate cult of the personality.
a prez to me is just one person. a person who for much of his/her life was raised by uncle sam. such a person is loyal to the uncle.
cult of personality is/was propagated by the funni uncle.
it was/is done to impress amers how great/powerful the leader is/was. another purpose for cultivation of a cult was to hide the invisible hand that rules ‘rica.
thank u

]]> By: Erroll http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24716 Erroll Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:29:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24716 An example of Obama's rightward drift, as Mike Whitney accurately describes it, would be the the July 6 cover story of Parade, "What is Patriotism" , where Obama seems determined to wave the flag just as fiercely as that alleged war hero, John McCain. In the article, Obama declares that "Those who have signed up to fight for our country in distant lands inspire me..." Later in the article, the [alleged] agent of hope and change praises "The greatness of our country" and as an example of that greatness cites "its victories in war". Perhaps if the junior senator were to talk to an Iraq or Afghani, he would discover that the citizens of those countries have been inspired by their love of their country to never stop fighting in order to ensure that the United States is not victorious in war. Or Obama might wish to ask a Vietnamese peasant how victorious America was when the Vietnamese were inspired to drive the U.S. military from their soil. Amazingly, this super patriotic rhetoric is coming from from the lips of the [alleged] peace candidate. It is almost as if Barack Obama is trying to emulate the Ministry of Propaganda in Orwell's novel 1984. An example of Obama’s rightward drift, as Mike Whitney accurately describes it, would be the the July 6 cover story of Parade, “What is Patriotism” , where Obama seems determined to wave the flag just as fiercely as that alleged war hero, John McCain. In the article, Obama declares that “Those who have signed up to fight for our country in distant lands inspire me…” Later in the article, the [alleged] agent of hope and change praises “The greatness of our country” and as an example of that greatness cites “its victories in war”. Perhaps if the junior senator were to talk to an Iraq or Afghani, he would discover that the citizens of those countries have been inspired by their love of their country to never stop fighting in order to ensure that the United States is not victorious in war. Or Obama might wish to ask a Vietnamese peasant how victorious America was when the Vietnamese were inspired to drive the U.S. military from their soil.

Amazingly, this super patriotic rhetoric is coming from from the lips of the [alleged] peace candidate. It is almost as if Barack Obama is trying to emulate the Ministry of Propaganda in Orwell’s novel 1984.

]]> By: Don http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24714 Don Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:54:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24714 Obamas turning point was kissing the shoe of AIPAC. The two party system has morphed into one in the same. It's time to give all Dems and Reps the boot!!! Think "Constitution Party"!!! Obamas turning point was kissing the shoe of AIPAC.
The two party system has morphed into one in the same.
It’s time to give all Dems and Reps the boot!!!
Think “Constitution Party”!!!

]]> By: Rich Griffin http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/worse-than-mccain/#comment-24712 Rich Griffin Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:45:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2346#comment-24712 To understand why Barack Obama is running for President simply look at back issues of Ebony magazine. I believe what he cares about is ACHIEVEMENT, personal achievement, and that is his only real motivation. It's in his words: books, speeches, interviews. I was struck in particular by his articulation of a belief that things really aren't that bad - compared to hundreds of years ago. But we are here now and we are suffering now. Obama apologists make me sick to my stomach. To understand why Barack Obama is running for President simply look at back issues of Ebony magazine. I believe what he cares about is ACHIEVEMENT, personal achievement, and that is his only real motivation. It’s in his words: books, speeches, interviews. I was struck in particular by his articulation of a belief that things really aren’t that bad – compared to hundreds of years ago. But we are here now and we are suffering now. Obama apologists make me sick to my stomach.

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