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	<title>Comments on: Who Will Leave First: al-Maliki or US Forces?</title>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/who-will-leave-first-al-maliki-or-us-forces/#comment-24585</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lloyd, 
i wish  i had better news/views than the ones u replied to. it is always possible that  members of the elite might raise their voices against sinking of amerca.
surely, they see that this meritocratic/plutocratic structure is wrong . it may even lead to domestic terrorism.
surely, they see that it oft takes two  dummies to give birth  to a genius. it is such people who bring us progress/knowledge.
and, of course,  two geniuses  may produce and idiot. it&#039;s the  genetic pool; that&#039;s where our wealth is. thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lloyd,<br />
i wish  i had better news/views than the ones u replied to. it is always possible that  members of the elite might raise their voices against sinking of amerca.<br />
surely, they see that this meritocratic/plutocratic structure is wrong . it may even lead to domestic terrorism.<br />
surely, they see that it oft takes two  dummies to give birth  to a genius. it is such people who bring us progress/knowledge.<br />
and, of course,  two geniuses  may produce and idiot. it&#8217;s the  genetic pool; that&#8217;s where our wealth is. thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/who-will-leave-first-al-maliki-or-us-forces/#comment-24579</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, bb.  I posted a piece by Arthur Silber at DV a couple of days ago.  The relevant paragraph said:

&quot;Try to understand this. This intricate and ornate series of interrelationships between and among various private and public powers has grown and metastasized over more than one hundred years. It will not be dislodged overnight. It will not be altered except by a deliberate and painful process of de-linking, which would require several decades at the very least. But history tells us that, once a corporatist system has reached an advanced stage such as that which now prevails in the United States, it will only be changed by a major disruption and, more probably, by a series of disruptions: financial weakening and possibly collapse, and/or a major war or series of wars, and/or natural catastrophe, and/or...use your imagination to fill in other possible factors. But, like children who still believe in Santa Claus, and like those who desperately hope for salvation in foreign affairs, many liberals and progressives now look for a miracle to save them on the domestic front. Call the miracle Obama if you wish; the name you give it doesn&#039;t matter a damn. And try to understand this: miracles do not happen. It was not a miracle that brought us here. It is only an understanding of the full nature of the problem we face and a determination to alter our course that will save us, if anything can. History, it must be noted, is not encouraging on this point.&quot;

But, the next (closing) para said:

&quot;None of this is a reason for terminal despair, although I keep reading comments about my essays to the effect that they are &quot;too depressing,&quot; that they make people &quot;suicidal&quot; or &quot;bitter,&quot; and the like. People who react in these ways may have some understanding, but not nearly enough. And they may have everything -- except vision and courage. I will discuss these particular issues in a future essay. For the moment, I will say this: I will not tell you, as people often tell me, that you need a &quot;thicker skin,&quot; since I consider the views underlying such prescriptions to be uniformly destructive. But what you do need is more understanding, and much, much more courage.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, bb.  I posted a piece by Arthur Silber at DV a couple of days ago.  The relevant paragraph said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Try to understand this. This intricate and ornate series of interrelationships between and among various private and public powers has grown and metastasized over more than one hundred years. It will not be dislodged overnight. It will not be altered except by a deliberate and painful process of de-linking, which would require several decades at the very least. But history tells us that, once a corporatist system has reached an advanced stage such as that which now prevails in the United States, it will only be changed by a major disruption and, more probably, by a series of disruptions: financial weakening and possibly collapse, and/or a major war or series of wars, and/or natural catastrophe, and/or&#8230;use your imagination to fill in other possible factors. But, like children who still believe in Santa Claus, and like those who desperately hope for salvation in foreign affairs, many liberals and progressives now look for a miracle to save them on the domestic front. Call the miracle Obama if you wish; the name you give it doesn&#8217;t matter a damn. And try to understand this: miracles do not happen. It was not a miracle that brought us here. It is only an understanding of the full nature of the problem we face and a determination to alter our course that will save us, if anything can. History, it must be noted, is not encouraging on this point.&#8221;</p>
<p>But, the next (closing) para said:</p>
<p>&#8220;None of this is a reason for terminal despair, although I keep reading comments about my essays to the effect that they are &#8220;too depressing,&#8221; that they make people &#8220;suicidal&#8221; or &#8220;bitter,&#8221; and the like. People who react in these ways may have some understanding, but not nearly enough. And they may have everything &#8212; except vision and courage. I will discuss these particular issues in a future essay. For the moment, I will say this: I will not tell you, as people often tell me, that you need a &#8220;thicker skin,&#8221; since I consider the views underlying such prescriptions to be uniformly destructive. But what you do need is more understanding, and much, much more courage.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/who-will-leave-first-al-maliki-or-us-forces/#comment-24566</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that  a housewife, a hobo, a worker, migrant, et al- whether sitting/standing/marching/screaming-  will not  change an iota  US longstanding foreign and  domestic policies for rigid control of foreign and domestic pop/resources.
 if  1oomn amers  marched in protest of funni uncle&#039;s stances, perhaps uncle sam may soften to some degree.  but i still wdn&#039;t hold my breath.
funni uncle has had  america for over  2 cent&#039;s. will he let the bride go?
i hope so.
only amers can force him to change. thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that  a housewife, a hobo, a worker, migrant, et al- whether sitting/standing/marching/screaming-  will not  change an iota  US longstanding foreign and  domestic policies for rigid control of foreign and domestic pop/resources.<br />
 if  1oomn amers  marched in protest of funni uncle&#8217;s stances, perhaps uncle sam may soften to some degree.  but i still wdn&#8217;t hold my breath.<br />
funni uncle has had  america for over  2 cent&#8217;s. will he let the bride go?<br />
i hope so.<br />
only amers can force him to change. thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/who-will-leave-first-al-maliki-or-us-forces/#comment-24536</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m &quot;in the streets&quot; in my neighborhood, Ron, almost every day.  And in the town where my neighborhood is located, almost every other day when I exercise by climbing hills.

If you&#039;re curious where that is, you have my email address.  Or, just reply to this post asking me to post the name of my hometown, and home  state (and neighborhood if you wish).  Nobody hereabouts reads Dissident Voice, except possibly the electronic repression-masters.

But I haven&#039;t marched in a protest since the 1960&#039;s.  And the last rally I attended was for Cindy Sheehan in SF on Labor Day.  I donate to people and causes I believe in.

And I sure do hope you&#039;re wrong about Iraq requiring street actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m &#8220;in the streets&#8221; in my neighborhood, Ron, almost every day.  And in the town where my neighborhood is located, almost every other day when I exercise by climbing hills.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re curious where that is, you have my email address.  Or, just reply to this post asking me to post the name of my hometown, and home  state (and neighborhood if you wish).  Nobody hereabouts reads Dissident Voice, except possibly the electronic repression-masters.</p>
<p>But I haven&#8217;t marched in a protest since the 1960&#8242;s.  And the last rally I attended was for Cindy Sheehan in SF on Labor Day.  I donate to people and causes I believe in.</p>
<p>And I sure do hope you&#8217;re wrong about Iraq requiring street actions.</p>
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		<title>By: NDHF Net</title>
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		<dc:creator>NDHF Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer&#039;s easy:

Squarely, Iranians are not suicidal, self-destruction seeking idiots, so they definitely do not want the U.S. to sit down on sofa in Iraq, have a break of some 5 years and then attack Iran when once again in a possession of a ground army.

Al-Maliki, puppet as he is, cannot sustain his position between the U.S. &quot;yes&quot; and Iranian &quot;no&quot; so that he&#039;s dead meat, isn&#039;t he?

More answers to similar questions available in our premises

NDHF Net (Media Squad)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer&#8217;s easy:</p>
<p>Squarely, Iranians are not suicidal, self-destruction seeking idiots, so they definitely do not want the U.S. to sit down on sofa in Iraq, have a break of some 5 years and then attack Iran when once again in a possession of a ground army.</p>
<p>Al-Maliki, puppet as he is, cannot sustain his position between the U.S. &#8220;yes&#8221; and Iranian &#8220;no&#8221; so that he&#8217;s dead meat, isn&#8217;t he?</p>
<p>More answers to similar questions available in our premises</p>
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