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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/war-on-iran-i-don%e2%80%99t-know/#comment-25593</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scotty:

 &quot;iran has stated publicly that they want to start the apocalypse and bring in the final mufti&quot;
Iran is a peaceful country that has NOT invaded anyone in 250 years. While the USA (Bless my country) in its short life has started 311 or so wars of aggression, and let&#039;s not forget Israel. What is your source for this quote? This sounds like you are buying into propaganda. I&#039;m sure you are smarted than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scotty:</p>
<p> &#8220;iran has stated publicly that they want to start the apocalypse and bring in the final mufti&#8221;<br />
Iran is a peaceful country that has NOT invaded anyone in 250 years. While the USA (Bless my country) in its short life has started 311 or so wars of aggression, and let&#8217;s not forget Israel. What is your source for this quote? This sounds like you are buying into propaganda. I&#8217;m sure you are smarted than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Scotty Cordell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotty Cordell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with iran is that it is well documented for supp0rting every terrorist network from Iraq, to Russia and China&#039;s breakaway republics.
iran has been given enough uranium by Russia to power iran&#039;s reactors until they are shut down; yet iran feels the need to run over 3000 centrifuges to make more uranium...The ONLY thing they could need it for is BOMBS... Any argument is lacking common sense...
While other Muslim and Arab countries have nuclear programs for &quot;protection&quot;, iran has stated publicly that they want to start the apocalypse and bring in the final mufti. They ARE serious. 
Allowing iran to continue negates the Non Proliferation Treaty and makes a mockery of the United Nations. Mr. Bush&#039;s mistake wasn&#039;t starting a war; but starting a war with the only counterbalance to iran&#039;s hegemony in the Northern Middle East...  Scotty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with iran is that it is well documented for supp0rting every terrorist network from Iraq, to Russia and China&#8217;s breakaway republics.<br />
iran has been given enough uranium by Russia to power iran&#8217;s reactors until they are shut down; yet iran feels the need to run over 3000 centrifuges to make more uranium&#8230;The ONLY thing they could need it for is BOMBS&#8230; Any argument is lacking common sense&#8230;<br />
While other Muslim and Arab countries have nuclear programs for &#8220;protection&#8221;, iran has stated publicly that they want to start the apocalypse and bring in the final mufti. They ARE serious.<br />
Allowing iran to continue negates the Non Proliferation Treaty and makes a mockery of the United Nations. Mr. Bush&#8217;s mistake wasn&#8217;t starting a war; but starting a war with the only counterbalance to iran&#8217;s hegemony in the Northern Middle East&#8230;  Scotty</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sam,
uncle sam needs two sons: a seemingly bad one and also a seemingly  good  one.
uncle needs a sagacious/meek/gentle son and he needs the unwise/profligate/mean son.
uncle fares a lot beter by having one goose w. two wings.
uncle loves elections. it makes his subjects very happy. look, look, how radiant the smiles of his serfs when obama comes around w. his saintly face.
what woman cdn&#039;t/wdn&#039;t  think of obama as the new savior that wd propel uncle&#039;s beloved america to new heights?
thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sam,<br />
uncle sam needs two sons: a seemingly bad one and also a seemingly  good  one.<br />
uncle needs a sagacious/meek/gentle son and he needs the unwise/profligate/mean son.<br />
uncle fares a lot beter by having one goose w. two wings.<br />
uncle loves elections. it makes his subjects very happy. look, look, how radiant the smiles of his serfs when obama comes around w. his saintly face.<br />
what woman cdn&#8217;t/wdn&#8217;t  think of obama as the new savior that wd propel uncle&#8217;s beloved america to new heights?<br />
thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Eloi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eloi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viva Global Socialism!
At a joint press conference with P. Putin held in Russia on July 15, 2006, G.W. Bush said: I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world like Iraq…  The Ex-undersecretary of state and current U. S. ambassador at the U. N. John Bolton told Israeli officials that after defeating Iraq, the U. S. would “deal with” Iran, Syria, and North Korea. (New York Times, March 18, 2003).

When G.W. Bush was told by CIA Director George Tenet that if he really wanted to take on the countries that supported or harboured terrorists, he’d be facing a “sixty country problem”, the president replied “we’ll pick them off one at a time”, (B. Woodward, Bush at War, p. 49). 

More than 15 years earlier, Dick Cheney as the G.H. Bush defence secretary in a document known as the Defence Planning Guidance argued “that the U. S. should be prepared to use force if necessary to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons… and should maintain U. S. military primacy and discourage the emergence of a rival power” (M. R. Gordon, New York Times, January 27, 2003). 

In year 2000, the Democratic Party of U. S. called for a new doctrine of “Forward Engagement” which is not a self-defence policy. (Allen and Gellman, “Pre-emptive Strike”). As we see, pre-emptive strikes to halt the spread of Weapons of Mass Destruction, to take on the countries that supported or harboured terrorists or a desire to spread “democracy” are only scenarios to have a pretext to occupy and colonize these rich lands before the emergence of the rival powers.

Colonization is not the desire of a president or the will of that prime minister. It is not because of the policy of this or that ruling party. It is engendered in the imperialist system itself. It has its roots in our past jungle life. Devour before being devoured. With this system, wars and human sufferings will continue and the world will become more and more a dangerous place to live.

There is a scientific alternative to all of these human miseries: global socialism!

Back to top
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viva Global Socialism!<br />
At a joint press conference with P. Putin held in Russia on July 15, 2006, G.W. Bush said: I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world like Iraq…  The Ex-undersecretary of state and current U. S. ambassador at the U. N. John Bolton told Israeli officials that after defeating Iraq, the U. S. would “deal with” Iran, Syria, and North Korea. (New York Times, March 18, 2003).</p>
<p>When G.W. Bush was told by CIA Director George Tenet that if he really wanted to take on the countries that supported or harboured terrorists, he’d be facing a “sixty country problem”, the president replied “we’ll pick them off one at a time”, (B. Woodward, Bush at War, p. 49). </p>
<p>More than 15 years earlier, Dick Cheney as the G.H. Bush defence secretary in a document known as the Defence Planning Guidance argued “that the U. S. should be prepared to use force if necessary to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons… and should maintain U. S. military primacy and discourage the emergence of a rival power” (M. R. Gordon, New York Times, January 27, 2003). </p>
<p>In year 2000, the Democratic Party of U. S. called for a new doctrine of “Forward Engagement” which is not a self-defence policy. (Allen and Gellman, “Pre-emptive Strike”). As we see, pre-emptive strikes to halt the spread of Weapons of Mass Destruction, to take on the countries that supported or harboured terrorists or a desire to spread “democracy” are only scenarios to have a pretext to occupy and colonize these rich lands before the emergence of the rival powers.</p>
<p>Colonization is not the desire of a president or the will of that prime minister. It is not because of the policy of this or that ruling party. It is engendered in the imperialist system itself. It has its roots in our past jungle life. Devour before being devoured. With this system, wars and human sufferings will continue and the world will become more and more a dangerous place to live.</p>
<p>There is a scientific alternative to all of these human miseries: global socialism!</p>
<p>Back to top<br />
© 2006 DemocracyAndSocialism.com | Design by Andreas Viklund</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember trying to talk with acquaintances before Bush&#039;s terrorist attack on Iraq.  

Just mentioning in passing that an attack was going to happen. Acquaintances and business clients told me  it would never happen.  That said in a very patronizing and condescending way to me, &quot;Relax Sam, Bush is not going to attack Iraq.  He&#039;s not about to do that! Where do you get your information?  You can&#039;t believe everything you read on the Internet.&quot;

Well, we see how that turned out don&#039;t we?

An attack on Iran would be continuing the neocon Project For the New American Century agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember trying to talk with acquaintances before Bush&#8217;s terrorist attack on Iraq.  </p>
<p>Just mentioning in passing that an attack was going to happen. Acquaintances and business clients told me  it would never happen.  That said in a very patronizing and condescending way to me, &#8220;Relax Sam, Bush is not going to attack Iraq.  He&#8217;s not about to do that! Where do you get your information?  You can&#8217;t believe everything you read on the Internet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, we see how that turned out don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>An attack on Iran would be continuing the neocon Project For the New American Century agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An attack on Iran could be used to cancel the November &quot;election&quot; and keep Bush/Cheney in the White House.

Frankly, I don&#039;t think Bush/Cheney have any intention of going anywhere in January.  I&#039;ve thought this since the night of the Judicial Coup of 2000. These people think they are above the law without any consequences.

I&#039;ll be surprised if they leave, unless they have been well assured by neocons Obama/McCain that the Bush Crime Family neocon agenda will continue.

An attack on Iran could lead to Bush declaring a &quot;state of national emergency&quot; where Bush declares this is not the time to change &quot;leaders.&quot;

It seems to me that these people didn&#039;t put Directive 51 in place just so it could collect dust sitting on the table over in the corner. It was put in place for a reason.

None of this would surprise me if it happened. And there would be no consequences to any of it happening. 

No one can force Bush/Cheney to leave.  The Bush-enabling Dems with their &quot;yes&quot; votes helped install Roberts and &quot;Unitary Executive&quot; Alito to the Supreme Court.

Most of the &quot;Dems&quot; in congress would declare their unconditional support for Bush/Cheney staying on, slap them on the back and tell them, &quot;we&#039;re awfully glad you&#039;re staying on, we were hoping you wouldn&#039;t have to go, and we&#039;ll continue to do whatever you want us to do for you as we have been for the last 8 years.&quot; 

And most of the &quot;Dems&quot; in congress would rally and stand behind Pelosi (who would be standing in front of a wall of flags) when she spews this drivel: 

&quot;I ask that the American people stand with me united behind George W. Bush at this very critical juncture in our nation&#039;s history.&quot;

And then the woman would end her speech with the required &quot;god bless america&quot;  tag line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An attack on Iran could be used to cancel the November &#8220;election&#8221; and keep Bush/Cheney in the White House.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t think Bush/Cheney have any intention of going anywhere in January.  I&#8217;ve thought this since the night of the Judicial Coup of 2000. These people think they are above the law without any consequences.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be surprised if they leave, unless they have been well assured by neocons Obama/McCain that the Bush Crime Family neocon agenda will continue.</p>
<p>An attack on Iran could lead to Bush declaring a &#8220;state of national emergency&#8221; where Bush declares this is not the time to change &#8220;leaders.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me that these people didn&#8217;t put Directive 51 in place just so it could collect dust sitting on the table over in the corner. It was put in place for a reason.</p>
<p>None of this would surprise me if it happened. And there would be no consequences to any of it happening. </p>
<p>No one can force Bush/Cheney to leave.  The Bush-enabling Dems with their &#8220;yes&#8221; votes helped install Roberts and &#8220;Unitary Executive&#8221; Alito to the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>Most of the &#8220;Dems&#8221; in congress would declare their unconditional support for Bush/Cheney staying on, slap them on the back and tell them, &#8220;we&#8217;re awfully glad you&#8217;re staying on, we were hoping you wouldn&#8217;t have to go, and we&#8217;ll continue to do whatever you want us to do for you as we have been for the last 8 years.&#8221; </p>
<p>And most of the &#8220;Dems&#8221; in congress would rally and stand behind Pelosi (who would be standing in front of a wall of flags) when she spews this drivel: </p>
<p>&#8220;I ask that the American people stand with me united behind George W. Bush at this very critical juncture in our nation&#8217;s history.&#8221;</p>
<p>And then the woman would end her speech with the required &#8220;god bless america&#8221;  tag line.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/war-on-iran-i-don%e2%80%99t-know/#comment-25447</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iran, i deduce, knows s&#039;mthing we don&#039;t. it probably can retaliate to the degree to alarm/alert many nations into acting to protect their interests.
serious dsiruption in oil flow/delivery will surely make some nations/empires very angry/desperate.
but these  lands  may turn their rage on US/EU/IOF and not on iran.
so, again, what is iran know? well, we don&#039;t know! perforce, we guess.
 UN diplomatic/military intervention is a possibility. or russia/china supply iran w. wmd to use against israel.
we can also conjecture that iran will be merely bombed. it can take it for decades.
if my analyses r ab correct, then obviously this  analogy had been educed by US/EU/Russia/iran. thanx
thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iran, i deduce, knows s&#8217;mthing we don&#8217;t. it probably can retaliate to the degree to alarm/alert many nations into acting to protect their interests.<br />
serious dsiruption in oil flow/delivery will surely make some nations/empires very angry/desperate.<br />
but these  lands  may turn their rage on US/EU/IOF and not on iran.<br />
so, again, what is iran know? well, we don&#8217;t know! perforce, we guess.<br />
 UN diplomatic/military intervention is a possibility. or russia/china supply iran w. wmd to use against israel.<br />
we can also conjecture that iran will be merely bombed. it can take it for decades.<br />
if my analyses r ab correct, then obviously this  analogy had been educed by US/EU/Russia/iran. thanx<br />
thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Patton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest indicator of a potential U.S. attack on Iran is the price of oil.  Right now, the speculators think we&#039;re not going to attack, which is why oil&#039;s price is decreasing.  

So we&#039;re probably not going to attack.  Yet.  But stay tuned for further details.  And watch the price of oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest indicator of a potential U.S. attack on Iran is the price of oil.  Right now, the speculators think we&#8217;re not going to attack, which is why oil&#8217;s price is decreasing.  </p>
<p>So we&#8217;re probably not going to attack.  Yet.  But stay tuned for further details.  And watch the price of oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Konrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Konrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relax Professor, it&#039;s not going to happen. There has been waaay too much talking and telegraphing to actually &lt;i&gt;DO&lt;/i&gt; anything now. The Iranians have been listening to these threats for the last five years (or more) and they would be foolish not to have prepared plans to respond to an attack during that time. 

The Iranians are not foolish.

The United States so-called government cannot know what the totality of an Iranian  response to attack will be. Since they don&#039;t know that the more rational minds in the Pentagon and the apparatchiks in the various departments will stifle any kickoff of an overt attack on Iran, at least during the w. bush administration.

High gasoline prices are the number one  issue in the country at the moment. An attack on Iran would virtually guarantee those prices will rise dramatically. That would mean even further political purgatory for the republicans. In addition, in the event of an attack the chances increase that Obama will be elected president and the republicans could not count on him to carry on the war they started. It&#039;s plausible Obama could simply call the whole thing off when he takes office. He might even offer to pay the Iranians reparations for damages. 

In regard to israel, al-Maliki has already stated that &lt;a href=&quot;http://archive.gulfnews.com/region/Iraq/10228683.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iraqi airspace is off limits to israeli aircraft&lt;/a&gt;. The israelis could of course ignore that and fly through and refuel over Iraq anyway, but that would give the Iranians &lt;i&gt;carte blanche&lt;/i&gt; to retaliate against U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and step up a destabilisation campaign against the Iraqi government. In other words, if the israelis made a quick in-and-out attack by flying over Iraq the Iranians would justifiably consider the Americans and the Iraqis to be participants. The israelis would fly home to safety and leave American (and Iraqi) troops, assets and interests to receive the punishment in response. 

Contrary to much media speculation, I suspect that is precisely what Admiral Mullen was telling the israelis a week or two ago: &quot;If you start a fight with Iran then run away back home, American troops will be forced to deal with the situation you created. If you do pick a fight you had better be prepared to finish it yourselves. The United States does not want war with Iran at this time and we will hold israel responsible for Iranian attacks against U.S. troops and U.S. assets as a result of israeli actions.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relax Professor, it&#8217;s not going to happen. There has been waaay too much talking and telegraphing to actually <i>DO</i> anything now. The Iranians have been listening to these threats for the last five years (or more) and they would be foolish not to have prepared plans to respond to an attack during that time. </p>
<p>The Iranians are not foolish.</p>
<p>The United States so-called government cannot know what the totality of an Iranian  response to attack will be. Since they don&#8217;t know that the more rational minds in the Pentagon and the apparatchiks in the various departments will stifle any kickoff of an overt attack on Iran, at least during the w. bush administration.</p>
<p>High gasoline prices are the number one  issue in the country at the moment. An attack on Iran would virtually guarantee those prices will rise dramatically. That would mean even further political purgatory for the republicans. In addition, in the event of an attack the chances increase that Obama will be elected president and the republicans could not count on him to carry on the war they started. It&#8217;s plausible Obama could simply call the whole thing off when he takes office. He might even offer to pay the Iranians reparations for damages. </p>
<p>In regard to israel, al-Maliki has already stated that <a href="http://archive.gulfnews.com/region/Iraq/10228683.html" rel="nofollow">Iraqi airspace is off limits to israeli aircraft</a>. The israelis could of course ignore that and fly through and refuel over Iraq anyway, but that would give the Iranians <i>carte blanche</i> to retaliate against U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and step up a destabilisation campaign against the Iraqi government. In other words, if the israelis made a quick in-and-out attack by flying over Iraq the Iranians would justifiably consider the Americans and the Iraqis to be participants. The israelis would fly home to safety and leave American (and Iraqi) troops, assets and interests to receive the punishment in response. </p>
<p>Contrary to much media speculation, I suspect that is precisely what Admiral Mullen was telling the israelis a week or two ago: &#8220;If you start a fight with Iran then run away back home, American troops will be forced to deal with the situation you created. If you do pick a fight you had better be prepared to finish it yourselves. The United States does not want war with Iran at this time and we will hold israel responsible for Iranian attacks against U.S. troops and U.S. assets as a result of israeli actions.&#8221;</p>
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