Comments on: Ode to Impeachment: Kucinich, McClellan, and the Propaganda Model http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:34:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Patrick http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-24748 Patrick Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:51:24 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-24748 Democracy in America...is all but dead!! With passage of the FISA recently(including Obama voting for it) the hand writing is on the wall. The MSM is giving FISA and Impeachment virtually no coverage. We might as well be living in the former Soviet Union!! The next step is "Marshall Law" and subsequent revolution. However, the news is not all bad, perhaps it will eventually mean the break-up of this disasterous union!! Signed, one-pissed off military veteran Democracy in America…is all but dead!! With passage of the FISA recently(including Obama voting for it) the hand writing is on the wall.
The MSM is giving FISA and Impeachment virtually no coverage. We might as well be living in the former Soviet Union!! The next step is “Marshall Law” and subsequent revolution. However, the news is not all bad, perhaps it will eventually mean the break-up of this disasterous union!!

Signed,

one-pissed off military veteran

]]> By: hp http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-24050 hp Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:44:06 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-24050 California 'worth ten times their weight in golden" fields. California ‘worth ten times their weight in golden” fields.

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-24030 Lloyd Rowsey Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:08:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-24030 How about this one, hp? Those flowers that used to be called "California Poppies"? I heard they're now called "California Golden Fields". How about this one, hp? Those flowers that used to be called “California Poppies”? I heard they’re now called “California Golden Fields”.

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-24029 Lloyd Rowsey Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:05:01 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-24029 How about this one, hp? Those flowers that used to be called "California Poppies." They're now "California Golden Fields." How about this one, hp? Those flowers that used to be called “California Poppies.” They’re now “California Golden Fields.”

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-24024 Lloyd Rowsey Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:15:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-24024 No "justification" for the war in Afghanistan, granted, but Kucinich and McKinney may have been trading for influence on the inevitable Iraq War. What are you, Deadbeat, hoping those two will be posting here at Dissident Voice next year? No “justification” for the war in Afghanistan, granted, but Kucinich and McKinney may have been trading for influence on the inevitable Iraq War. What are you, Deadbeat, hoping those two will be posting here at Dissident Voice next year?

]]> By: hp http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-24017 hp Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:48:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-24017 Not exactly rocket science. We're #1, we're #1. (at drug dealing) When the Taliban imposed a ban on poppy cultivation in 2000, the production declined more than 90% in 2001. "NATO" invaded shortly thereafter. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20050614&articleId=91 Not exactly rocket science.
We’re #1, we’re #1. (at drug dealing)
When the Taliban imposed a ban on poppy cultivation in 2000, the production declined more than 90% in 2001.
“NATO” invaded shortly thereafter.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20050614&articleId=91

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-24009 Deadbeat Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:47:43 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-24009 I agree with Bozhidar. The same holds true for Afghanistan. Somehow that basis for that war is getting overshadowed by the Iraq war. There was absolutely NO justification for the war in Afghanistan however the Congress (including Kucinich and McKinney) overwhelmingly voted to give Bush the authority to invade. However it was reported at the time that the FBI had NO solid evidence of Bin Laden's involvement. In addition the former Afghan government was willing to comply and assist the U.S. and to extradite Bin Laden once the U.S. provided the Afghan government with evidence of his involvement. And most importantly if Bin Laden was involved with 9-11 he action was not representative of the former Afghan government nor the people of Afghanistan. Last week the U.S. bombed a wedding party in Afghanistan. I agree with Bozhidar. The same holds true for Afghanistan. Somehow that basis for that war is getting overshadowed by the Iraq war. There was absolutely NO justification for the war in Afghanistan however the Congress (including Kucinich and McKinney) overwhelmingly voted to give Bush the authority to invade.

However it was reported at the time that the FBI had NO solid evidence of Bin Laden’s involvement. In addition the former Afghan government was willing to comply and assist the U.S. and to extradite Bin Laden once the U.S. provided the Afghan government with evidence of his involvement. And most importantly if Bin Laden was involved with 9-11 he action was not representative of the former Afghan government nor the people of Afghanistan.

Last week the U.S. bombed a wedding party in Afghanistan.

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-24006 Lloyd Rowsey Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:02:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-24006 93 years havr served you well, bb. should several decades fewer have given most of us a tiny measure of your courage. corylous, I contributed to K's campaign from California but haven't read the article above. What I don't believe in is "The Propaganda Model." In Chomsky and Herman's version, or anyone else's. As I keep posting in various comments to DV, I believe in a "Secrecy Model" (my own, needless to say). 93 years havr served you well, bb. should several decades fewer have given most of us a tiny measure of your courage. corylous, I contributed to K’s campaign from California but haven’t read the article above. What I don’t believe in is “The Propaganda Model.” In Chomsky and Herman’s version, or anyone else’s. As I keep posting in various comments to DV, I believe in a “Secrecy Model” (my own, needless to say).

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-23842 bozhidar balkas Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:40:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-23842 correctiom ab apodictic truth. it shuold be apodictic (of desirable/necessary/certain) truth and not (desirable/necessary/certain/truth) thank u correctiom ab apodictic truth. it shuold be apodictic (of desirable/necessary/certain) truth and not (desirable/necessary/certain/truth) thank u

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-23840 bozhidar balkas Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:32:14 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-23840 corylus, back to basics, please? it is apodictic( of a desirable/necessary/certain truth) that one has no right to attack another land under no known circumstance. corrolary to this being that one prosecutes only criminals and not collectiveley punish pop which almost always is misled and so supports crimes of their leaders. pop should never be punished. but one can put a ransom of bns on alleged criminal's head like saddam. so, why did he omit this? and almost all contributors have skirted the simple desirable notion. alleged criminals like milosevic and saddam cld have been ( easily?) arrested or slain. after all saddam had ab 6.5 bn enemies. corrolary arising from the above postualets that we must stop discussing whether bush lied or told the truth; US still has no right to attack a people for crimes commited by individuals. in fact, how can u kill even 1 person let alone a mn+ while armed w. the truth? and the truth made in america which is armed w. wmd; its ships cruising the oceans; thretening many nations, etc. these r the basics; to me, anyway. his article mentions some problems. but ommiting to condemn a war regardless of what US says, is wrong thing to do. more can be said. i hope i have s'mwhat clarified the issue. thanx for ur comment. i had to reread the article by tischauser to find out what he wrote. however, these basic premises or even truth is not mentioned. thanx corylus,
back to basics, please?
it is apodictic( of a desirable/necessary/certain truth) that one has no right to attack another land under no known circumstance.
corrolary to this being that one prosecutes only criminals and not collectiveley punish pop which almost always is misled and so supports crimes of their leaders.
pop should never be punished. but one can put a ransom of bns on alleged criminal’s head like saddam.
so, why did he omit this? and almost all contributors have skirted the simple desirable notion.
alleged criminals like milosevic and saddam cld have been ( easily?) arrested or slain. after all saddam had ab 6.5 bn enemies.
corrolary arising from the above postualets that we must stop discussing whether bush lied or told the truth; US still has no right to attack a people for crimes commited by individuals.
in fact, how can u kill even 1 person let alone a mn+ while armed w. the truth?
and the truth made in america which is armed w. wmd; its ships cruising the oceans; thretening many nations, etc.
these r the basics; to me, anyway.
his article mentions some problems.
but ommiting to condemn a war regardless of what US says, is wrong thing to do.
more can be said. i hope i have s’mwhat clarified the issue. thanx for ur comment.
i had to reread the article by tischauser to find out what he wrote. however, these basic premises or even truth is not mentioned.
thanx

]]> By: OakRaidFan http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-23837 OakRaidFan Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:00:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-23837 Jeffrey is absolutely correct. While McClellan talks the talk, Kucinich walks the walk. When Kucinich reintroduces Articles of Impeachment between July7-9, he may double them, from 35 to about 70 or so. It only takes one (1) Article to be voted upon and acted on, for Congress to begin actual Impeachment proceedings. If Clinton could be brought up on Impeachment proceedings for having lied under oath, Bush & Co. should be brought up on Impeachment proceedings for lying about the war, destroying the environment, robbing US tax $, US atty firings, etc. Jeffrey is absolutely correct. While McClellan talks the talk, Kucinich walks the walk. When Kucinich reintroduces Articles of Impeachment between July7-9, he may double them, from 35 to about 70 or so. It only takes one (1) Article to be voted upon and acted on, for Congress to begin actual Impeachment proceedings. If Clinton could be brought up on Impeachment proceedings for having lied under oath, Bush & Co. should be brought up on Impeachment proceedings for lying about the war, destroying the environment, robbing US tax $, US atty firings, etc.

]]> By: corylus http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-23821 corylus Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:06:21 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-23821 BB, You must have read a different article than I, as what I read here is an explanation of how attempts by the few remaining "true" representatives to hold public officials accountable -- thus at least exposing American imperialism for what it is: ruthless greed and murder -- are subjugated by the established corporate-owned media and political elite. BB,
You must have read a different article than I, as what I read here is an explanation of how attempts by the few remaining “true” representatives to hold public officials accountable — thus at least exposing American imperialism for what it is: ruthless greed and murder — are subjugated by the established corporate-owned media and political elite.

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/ode-to-impeachment-kucinich-mcclellan-and-the-propaganda-model/#comment-23800 bozhidar balkas Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:25:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2304#comment-23800 again, basics r ommited. the writer implies that US, once it presents american 'truth' , it can invade/bomb/murder. so, if in american eyes, planned war is legal, US kills. in ad'n, article like almost all other antiwar pieces tacitly aver a land to be attacked cannot have truth, only US. i do not think that russians, chinese, syrians, lebanese, iranians, koreans haven't analyzed the sit'n as i have. this bodes unwell for the planet. thank u again, basics r ommited.
the writer implies that US, once it presents american ‘truth’ , it can invade/bomb/murder.
so, if in american eyes, planned war is legal, US kills.
in ad’n, article like almost all other antiwar pieces tacitly aver a land to be attacked cannot have truth, only US.
i do not think that russians, chinese, syrians, lebanese, iranians, koreans haven’t analyzed the sit’n as i have.
this bodes unwell for the planet. thank u

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