Comments on: Keeping Independent News Independent http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Giorgio http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24166 Giorgio Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:29:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24166 Agree! FASCISM is alive, well, and living in Tel-Aviv! I'm often puzzled by the similarity of the words, NAZI and ZION. They both have a Z, the last letter of the alphabet (the dregs, as it were, of society/humanity) and both are four-lettered words.. Agree!
FASCISM is alive, well, and living in Tel-Aviv!
I’m often puzzled by the similarity of the words, NAZI and ZION.
They both have a Z, the last letter of the alphabet (the dregs, as it were, of society/humanity) and both are four-lettered words..

]]> By: hp http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24124 hp Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:09:48 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24124 "Liberals and leftists only hate fascism when it doesn't involve Israel or Jewish fascists." “Liberals and leftists only hate fascism when it doesn’t involve Israel or Jewish fascists.”

]]> By: Tango Hotel http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24097 Tango Hotel Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:02:48 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24097 I believe your point is well taken and you should volunteer to be the point man for Real News in Iraq. Then you wouldn't have to rely on obscure (but never referenced) polls for you knowlege of what Iraqi's think; you could ask them yourself. We would welcome this new front line perspective and unbiased commentary from a source with that obviously has no other agenda but the "truth". I know the lack of excessive liberal rhetric might cramp your style over there, but I'm sure you'll survive. I look forward to your first report. I believe your point is well taken and you should volunteer to be the point man for Real News in Iraq. Then you wouldn’t have to rely on obscure (but never referenced) polls for you knowlege of what Iraqi’s think; you could ask them yourself. We would welcome this new front line perspective and unbiased commentary from a source with that obviously has no other agenda but the “truth”. I know the lack of excessive liberal rhetric might cramp your style over there, but I’m sure you’ll survive. I look forward to your first report.

]]> By: Giorgio http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24086 Giorgio Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:42:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24086 Thanx Paola, We live in a very murky world, indeed! Thanx Paola,
We live in a very murky world, indeed!

]]> By: evie http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24077 evie Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:13:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24077 Global Research - lol. Michel Chossudovsky - more lol. Gatekeepers. Just b/c someone or some group is saying what one wants to hear doesn't mean it's the truth. Global Research – lol.

Michel Chossudovsky – more lol. Gatekeepers.

Just b/c someone or some group is saying what one wants to hear doesn’t mean it’s the truth.

]]> By: paola http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24063 paola Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:51:34 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24063 Here you can read WHO funds the Real News: http://snuffysmithsblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/who-funds-progressive-media.html ( This article was originally published by Globalrearch, that strangely deleted it after a few hours: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9517 ) Here you can read WHO funds the Real News:
http://snuffysmithsblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/who-funds-progressive-media.html
( This article was originally published by Globalrearch, that strangely deleted it after a few hours: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9517 )

]]> By: Giorgio http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24060 Giorgio Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:28:35 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24060 “ What is a cause for concern are the rare (?) moments when the Real News appears to be indistinguishable from the corporate media.” After reading this piece, the thought just sprung on me. What if ‘Real News’ is nothing but a covertly sponsored corporate media news outlet? A wolf badly disguised in sheep’s clothing. In a world festered by sinister motives this could be a very real possibility. ‘Real News Network’ to be real would have to report on news that the mogul media would cringe to report, not just some watered down, slightly leftist posturing to bamboozle the viewer to think that ‘now I’m getting to the truth’. For example, the news that Joshua Key, an American soldier who deserted from the Iraq war in 2003 and was recently grant asylum by a Canadian federal court decision, reversing a previous order to extradite him back to the US. ‘ It was a great 4th of July gift’, quipped the 30 year old Joshua. And then follow up with an interview in his new Canadian home about his war experiences, his motives for desertion, his witnessing of crimes committed against Iraq civilians, and his having been forced to participate in such heinous abuses, etc. This would be the Real McCoy News! The Pentagon estimates that since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003 there has been circa 5500 desertions. Truthout claims that there are well over 25000. Who is the liar here? Then the cherry on top of it all: They urge you to donate some of your hard earned money towards it ! “ What is a cause for concern are the rare (?) moments when the Real News appears to be indistinguishable from the corporate media.”

After reading this piece, the thought just sprung on me. What if ‘Real News’ is nothing but a covertly sponsored corporate media news outlet? A wolf badly disguised in sheep’s clothing. In a world festered by sinister motives this could be a very real possibility. ‘Real News Network’ to be real would have to report on news that the mogul media would cringe to report, not just some watered down, slightly leftist posturing to bamboozle the viewer to think that ‘now I’m getting to the truth’.
For example, the news that Joshua Key, an American soldier who deserted from the Iraq war in 2003 and was recently grant asylum by a Canadian federal court decision, reversing a previous order to extradite him back to the US. ‘ It was a great 4th of July gift’, quipped the 30 year old Joshua. And then follow up with an interview in his new Canadian home about his war experiences, his motives for desertion, his witnessing of crimes committed against Iraq civilians, and his having been forced to participate in such heinous abuses, etc.
This would be the Real McCoy News!
The Pentagon estimates that since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003 there has been circa 5500 desertions. Truthout claims that there are well over 25000. Who is the liar here?
Then the cherry on top of it all: They urge you to donate some of your hard earned money towards it !

]]> By: evie http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24057 evie Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:51:43 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24057 The "left" will get "real news" from one another - when they combine/compare experiences and information - and only from those who have no agenda. Making it damn near impossible since most folks are concerned with name recognition and money. Many others are simply braggarts and bullshitters. Today's "left" (and right) seek "truth" from pros who slant news to fit the reader, regardless how big the ka-ching. 99% of folks will change their views based on their class mobility, although they may appear to hold the same opinion publicly if it is/was their bread and butter. Most folks are not looking for truth - they are looking to bolster their opinion which is already limited as it's based on halfass information from vetted and paid opinion makers. There are many things one can be "tainted" by besides money and power... there's ego, the Anglo standard education, religion, gnoamism, hearsay from a liar or fool, or simply going along to get along with the spiel of your current significant other, etc. Even the mainstream media puts "truth" out there. You just have to know how to read the nuggets. The “left” will get “real news” from one another – when they combine/compare experiences and information – and only from those who have no agenda. Making it damn near impossible since most folks are concerned with name recognition and money. Many others are simply braggarts and bullshitters.

Today’s “left” (and right) seek “truth” from pros who slant news to fit the reader, regardless how big the ka-ching.

99% of folks will change their views based on their class mobility, although they may appear to hold the same opinion publicly if it is/was their bread and butter.

Most folks are not looking for truth – they are looking to bolster their opinion which is already limited as it’s based on halfass information from vetted and paid opinion makers.

There are many things one can be “tainted” by besides money and power… there’s ego, the Anglo standard education, religion, gnoamism, hearsay from a liar or fool, or simply going along to get along with the spiel of your current significant other, etc.

Even the mainstream media puts “truth” out there. You just have to know how to read the nuggets.

]]> By: Manitor http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24055 Manitor Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:35:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24055 Sad, I had higher hopes for Real News when it started out. Thank you for the well-written observations. Sad, I had higher hopes for Real News when it started out. Thank you for the well-written observations.

]]> By: the problemwithcaring http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24052 the problemwithcaring Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:53:41 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24052 Slightly OT: I just find it so intellectually dishonest, masturbatory and frankly kinda "dickish" to ask "Is Obama a conservative or a progressive realist?” " with a sitting president like George Bush.... Slightly OT:

I just find it so intellectually dishonest, masturbatory and frankly kinda “dickish” to ask “Is Obama a conservative or a progressive realist?” ” with a sitting president like George Bush….

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24043 bozhidar balkas Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:47:43 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24043 it is saddening to me that some people in the real news codemn US invasion of iraq because it is a failure/mistake and because bush lied. this lament tacitly posit the notions that if bush told the truth (an impossibility, anyway) it wd have been ok to slaughter 1 mn people and render homeless another 2-3mn. but even kim omits these basics. i cannot imagine a circumstance that wd justify any land attacking another let alone a mighty empire attacking a week, failed empire that posed no threat to US and many lands. only if saddam used wmd against another land and there was no way one cd arrest perpetrators UN might be justified to wage some kind of war or hunt for criminals only. no collective punishment is another basic desirably true premise. and if every nation proclaimed to the criminals, If u do the crime, u'l do the time! now, what i have said this far is basics. more relevant/simple questions, statements one just cldn't, i assert, posit. it boggles the mind that one kill, rob, invade, threaten while armed w. truth? after all many lands have already used wmd. thank u it is saddening to me that some people in the real news codemn US invasion of iraq because it is a failure/mistake and because bush lied. this lament tacitly posit the notions that if bush told the truth (an impossibility, anyway) it wd have been ok to slaughter 1 mn people and render homeless another 2-3mn.
but even kim omits these basics. i cannot imagine a circumstance that wd justify any land attacking another let alone a mighty empire attacking a week, failed empire that posed no threat to US and many lands.
only if saddam used wmd against another land and there was no way one cd arrest perpetrators UN might be justified to wage some kind of war or hunt for criminals only.
no collective punishment is another basic desirably true premise. and if every nation proclaimed to the criminals, If u do the crime, u’l do the time!
now, what i have said this far is basics. more relevant/simple questions, statements one just cldn’t, i assert, posit.
it boggles the mind that one kill, rob, invade, threaten while armed w. truth?
after all many lands have already used wmd. thank u

]]> By: Eric Patton http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24036 Eric Patton Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:32:08 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24036 The Real News has money behind it. If the left really wanted a first-rate hard-news site, it should have supported the pareconish and now-defunct NewStandard. The Real News has money behind it. If the left really wanted a first-rate hard-news site, it should have supported the pareconish and now-defunct NewStandard.

]]> By: Brian Koontz http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/keeping-independent-news-independent/#comment-24035 Brian Koontz Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:29:04 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2296#comment-24035 This is a spot-on if simple critique of The Real News. The accurate description of The Real News is "Progressive". They are not populist, not proletarian, not radical. They support America as a Republic, not a democracy. Though this is their position, the people they interview vary in their own positions. The Real News is non-corporate progressive bourgeois news. This is a spot-on if simple critique of The Real News. The accurate description of The Real News is “Progressive”. They are not populist, not proletarian, not radical. They support America as a Republic, not a democracy. Though this is their position, the people they interview vary in their own positions.

The Real News is non-corporate progressive bourgeois news.

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