Comments on: Conspiracy to Kill Iraqis? http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/conspiracy-to-kill-iraqis/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:19:36 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Tango Hotel http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/conspiracy-to-kill-iraqis/#comment-25738 Tango Hotel Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:57:31 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2423#comment-25738 9/11 has everything to do with Afganistan and perhaps some impact on the decision to invade Iraq, I personnally was opposed to the Iraq war. We do not live in a vacuume. As asociety we must at times assume responsibility for the actions of our governments and humanity at large. I am so tired of people whose only purpose in life is to point at the actions of others and condem them. What have you all done to improve the quality of life in the world. I served in the military for over 20 years during the cold war and controlled nuclear weapons. I didn't kill anyone. I now work for the Army helping clean up and preserve the environment we live and work in. I'm proud of my service and sad that others can't recognize military service for what it is, an opportunity to help preserve the things that makes America great. Do bad things happen during war? Absolutely. But our motto during my service which went from the end of Vietnam through Desert Storm was "Peace is our Profession" and during those years very few American died in the defense of our country. Oh yeah, and very few American civilians died also. 9/11 has everything to do with Afganistan and perhaps some impact on the decision to invade Iraq, I personnally was opposed to the Iraq war.
We do not live in a vacuume. As asociety we must at times assume responsibility for the actions of our governments and humanity at large. I am so tired of people whose only purpose in life is to point at the actions of others and condem them. What have you all done to improve the quality of life in the world. I served in the military for over 20 years during the cold war and controlled nuclear weapons. I didn’t kill anyone. I now work for the Army helping clean up and preserve the environment we live and work in. I’m proud of my service and sad that others can’t recognize military service for what it is, an opportunity to help preserve the things that makes America great. Do bad things happen during war? Absolutely. But our motto during my service which went from the end of Vietnam through Desert Storm was “Peace is our Profession” and during those years very few American died in the defense of our country. Oh yeah, and very few American civilians died also.

]]> By: JN http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/conspiracy-to-kill-iraqis/#comment-25719 JN Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:09:30 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2423#comment-25719 Tango: 'Collateral damage' is a perfect example of Newspeak: a meaningless phrase to avoid thinking about the reality of deliberately or carelessly massacring innocent PEOPLE. Surely you do not deny that a person is responsible for the predictable consequences of their own actions? Therefore the US government & its allies are directly responsible for every death that has occurred as a result of their invasions, bombings, sanctions & interference in other countries. IE: they are guilty of war crimes & effective genocide. Similarly, the soldiers who drop bombs on civilian targets, who contaminate the land with explosives & carcinogenic chemicals, who destroy water treatment facilities, etc are guilty of the deaths that are the predictable result of those actions: they are murderers. Then there are soldiers who deliberately or carelessly bomb or shoot civilians, & soldiers who rape & torture. "Following orders" is no excuse. Being "under a lot of pressure" is no excuse. The chain of command is always invoked by apologists as a catch -22 to ensure that no one is held acountable. The politicians & generals who give the orders are guilty. The soldiers who carry them out are also guilty. Also, 9/11 has absolutely nothing to do with the invasion of either Afghanistan or Iraq. The US government have exploited the murder of thousands of US citizens as a convenient pretext to launch murderous imperial wars, just as the Nazis exploited the Reichstag fire as a convenient pretext to rule by decree & destroy their political opponents. Tango:
‘Collateral damage’ is a perfect example of Newspeak: a meaningless phrase to avoid thinking about the reality of deliberately or carelessly massacring innocent PEOPLE.

Surely you do not deny that a person is responsible for the predictable consequences of their own actions? Therefore the US government & its allies are directly responsible for every death that has occurred as a result of their invasions, bombings, sanctions & interference in other countries. IE: they are guilty of war crimes & effective genocide.

Similarly, the soldiers who drop bombs on civilian targets, who contaminate the land with explosives & carcinogenic chemicals, who destroy water treatment facilities, etc are guilty of the deaths that are the predictable result of those actions: they are murderers. Then there are soldiers who deliberately or carelessly bomb or shoot civilians, & soldiers who rape & torture. “Following orders” is no excuse. Being “under a lot of pressure” is no excuse.

The chain of command is always invoked by apologists as a catch -22 to ensure that no one is held acountable. The politicians & generals who give the orders are guilty. The soldiers who carry them out are also guilty.

Also, 9/11 has absolutely nothing to do with the invasion of either Afghanistan or Iraq. The US government have exploited the murder of thousands of US citizens as a convenient pretext to launch murderous imperial wars, just as the Nazis exploited the Reichstag fire as a convenient pretext to rule by decree & destroy their political opponents.

]]> By: Richard Posner http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/conspiracy-to-kill-iraqis/#comment-25670 Richard Posner Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:16:21 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2423#comment-25670 For those who are sick of illegal invasion, occupation and murder disguised as pre-emptive “war”. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/help-stop-global-death-and-destruction "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke For those who are sick of illegal invasion, occupation and murder disguised as pre-emptive “war”.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/help-stop-global-death-and-destruction

“All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.”
– Edmund Burke

]]> By: Richard Posner http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/conspiracy-to-kill-iraqis/#comment-25669 Richard Posner Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:12:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2423#comment-25669 Please Tango Hotel, in your great and omnipotent wisdom, tell us how things work. Tell us also who, in fact, were the "folks" that "blew up" the Word Trade Center. Interesting choice of words. “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” Please Tango Hotel, in your great and omnipotent wisdom, tell us how things work. Tell us also who, in fact, were the “folks” that “blew up” the Word Trade Center. Interesting choice of words.

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/conspiracy-to-kill-iraqis/#comment-25667 Deadbeat Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:05:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2423#comment-25667 Under Nuremberg, soldiers are held accountable. Under Nuremberg, soldiers are held accountable.

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/conspiracy-to-kill-iraqis/#comment-25654 bozhidar balkas Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:10:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2423#comment-25654 'enlightened' russians, hungarians, germans, ottomans, italians, brits have always hated peasantry. or one cld say, these glitterati/nobles/patricians have always looked dwn on us workers/farmers/fishers. in canada and US, the two lands i know best, the respective 'elites' (crooks/liars) treat their own untermenschen just like patricians in other lands treat their own lesser-valued people. some observers say, Well if they want to be serfs, let them. i disagree. i do not blame serfs at all. the serfs, or as nader says "political prisoners" (or s'mthing like that) r miseducated from chidlhood on. that's why basic schooling is mandatory. higher education is not. it is reserved for bushes, obamas, clintons, et al; i.e., the light onto the world. thank u ‘enlightened’ russians, hungarians, germans, ottomans, italians, brits have always hated peasantry.
or one cld say, these glitterati/nobles/patricians have always looked dwn on us workers/farmers/fishers.
in canada and US, the two lands i know best, the respective ‘elites’ (crooks/liars) treat their own untermenschen just like patricians in other lands treat their own lesser-valued people.
some observers say, Well if they want to be serfs, let them.
i disagree. i do not blame serfs at all. the serfs, or as nader says “political prisoners” (or s’mthing like that) r miseducated from chidlhood on. that’s why basic schooling is mandatory.
higher education is not. it is reserved for bushes, obamas, clintons, et al; i.e., the light onto the world. thank u

]]> By: Tango Hotel http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/conspiracy-to-kill-iraqis/#comment-25635 Tango Hotel Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:10:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2423#comment-25635 It always amazes me when someone chooses a public forum to so willingly demonstrate their ignorance of how things work. I believe your argument about “collateral damage" is valid to some extent, however, these charges are alleging a deliberate effort by select individuals to kill innocent people... kind of like the folks that blew up the World Trade Center, but I guess you think that we should have let that slide too? It always amazes me when someone chooses a public forum to so willingly demonstrate their ignorance of how things work. I believe your argument about “collateral damage” is valid to some extent, however, these charges are alleging a deliberate effort by select individuals to kill innocent people… kind of like the folks that blew up the World Trade Center, but I guess you think that we should have let that slide too?

]]> By: bozhidar balkas http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/conspiracy-to-kill-iraqis/#comment-25590 bozhidar balkas Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:17:48 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2423#comment-25590 uncle sam protects his chosen children. not a single child of his will ever be judged/sentenced by any alien. so, punishing soldiers or nonchosen seems ok to the uncle; these uneducated/unmotivated/stupid people r sacrificed so the the chosen children can be not only free but also lauded as guardians of law/security. yes, bush will be exalted. history may be written. and we know who will write it if uncle desires. thank u uncle sam protects his chosen children. not a single child of his will ever be judged/sentenced by any alien.
so, punishing soldiers or nonchosen seems ok to the uncle; these uneducated/unmotivated/stupid people r sacrificed so the the chosen children can be not only free but also lauded as guardians of law/security.
yes, bush will be exalted. history may be written. and we know who will write it if uncle desires. thank u

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