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	<title>Comments on: Cheney Trying to Create Casus Belli, Direct Special Ops in Iran, and Provoke the Entire Shiite World</title>
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		<title>By: papercut</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/cheney-trying-to-create-casus-belli-direct-special-ops-in-iran-and-provoke-the-entire-shiite-world/#comment-23606</link>
		<dc:creator>papercut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, here we are at dv, one of the main &quot;free speech zones&quot;  of the internet.  now, this clown asks, in his l;ast paragraph,  &quot;...how can we in the eyes of the world dissociate ourselves from them?&quot;  
seems &quot;dissociate&quot; is the cause of the bush/cheney take over.  here&#039;s the solution to your problems.  a lot of you git up offa&#039; yer lazy arses and go to dc and arrest the murderous sons a&#039; bitches.  thats right, associate your selves.  it&#039;s the only solution.  your vote is a big part of the problem.  go get the sob&#039;s.  and please don&#039;t continue to whine and cry on dv.  tell the world how you fixed the problem.  and attacking me says more about you that about me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, here we are at dv, one of the main &#8220;free speech zones&#8221;  of the internet.  now, this clown asks, in his l;ast paragraph,  &#8220;&#8230;how can we in the eyes of the world dissociate ourselves from them?&#8221;<br />
seems &#8220;dissociate&#8221; is the cause of the bush/cheney take over.  here&#8217;s the solution to your problems.  a lot of you git up offa&#8217; yer lazy arses and go to dc and arrest the murderous sons a&#8217; bitches.  thats right, associate your selves.  it&#8217;s the only solution.  your vote is a big part of the problem.  go get the sob&#8217;s.  and please don&#8217;t continue to whine and cry on dv.  tell the world how you fixed the problem.  and attacking me says more about you that about me.</p>
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		<title>By: Arch Stanton</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/cheney-trying-to-create-casus-belli-direct-special-ops-in-iran-and-provoke-the-entire-shiite-world/#comment-23563</link>
		<dc:creator>Arch Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Or are they somehow acting in their own interest by provoking a regional war and destroying the global economy?&quot;

I don&#039;t see how.  They&#039;re the ones with the most to lose.  This seems like an easy bluff to call.  Iran is calling it.  The question is--why aren&#039;t others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or are they somehow acting in their own interest by provoking a regional war and destroying the global economy?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how.  They&#8217;re the ones with the most to lose.  This seems like an easy bluff to call.  Iran is calling it.  The question is&#8211;why aren&#8217;t others?</p>
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		<title>By: john wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/cheney-trying-to-create-casus-belli-direct-special-ops-in-iran-and-provoke-the-entire-shiite-world/#comment-23553</link>
		<dc:creator>john wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i really liked that photo-op of them (n. korea) blowing up the cooling tower, while the media gushed they blew up the &quot;nuclear reactor&quot; (which you would never in a million years do, anyway).   f....ing, ignorant americans.  a million workarounds around a little cooling tower for a relatively small plant, next to a major river.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i really liked that photo-op of them (n. korea) blowing up the cooling tower, while the media gushed they blew up the &#8220;nuclear reactor&#8221; (which you would never in a million years do, anyway).   f&#8230;.ing, ignorant americans.  a million workarounds around a little cooling tower for a relatively small plant, next to a major river.</p>
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		<title>By: john wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/cheney-trying-to-create-casus-belli-direct-special-ops-in-iran-and-provoke-the-entire-shiite-world/#comment-23551</link>
		<dc:creator>john wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...not to mention nuclear weapons outside any serious control in Russia.

and a huge gestapo-like bureaucracy created at home.

fine legacy for our &quot;security&quot; for years to come.

and you &quot;progressives&quot; were active enablers of this, with your lies and disinformation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;not to mention nuclear weapons outside any serious control in Russia.</p>
<p>and a huge gestapo-like bureaucracy created at home.</p>
<p>fine legacy for our &#8220;security&#8221; for years to come.</p>
<p>and you &#8220;progressives&#8221; were active enablers of this, with your lies and disinformation.</p>
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		<title>By: john wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/cheney-trying-to-create-casus-belli-direct-special-ops-in-iran-and-provoke-the-entire-shiite-world/#comment-23550</link>
		<dc:creator>john wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the other thing is, not a word in the article about the nuclear issue, which, at this point is used as the excuse for all this.  iranians are smart and capable people, with a civilization much longer than ours.  of course they want not only nuclear energy, but nuclear weapons as well. there&#039;s a million good reasons, from their standpoint for this (about 200 of them are called &quot;israeli nuclear weapons&quot; about which NOTHING is done and NOTHING was done when it could have made a difference). and we&#039;re not acting responsibly, as a major power with nuclear weapons.  doesn&#039;t matter if we only use conventional weapons in our aggression -- the nukes are there up our sleeve, just in case, if all else fails.  whether or not they&#039;ve temporarily suspended those efforts, that stands -- that they want and think they need and can have these weapons.  and they will eventually have them, no matter how long it takes.  so that&#039;s another legacy of the cretin in chief and the monstrous, malignant creature directing him -- nuclear north korea (if you think they gave it up, you&#039;re really naive) and nuclear iran.  (and al-quaeda gaining upper hand in nuclear pakistan).  along with an all-encompassing hatred for us.

not a word about any of that in your article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the other thing is, not a word in the article about the nuclear issue, which, at this point is used as the excuse for all this.  iranians are smart and capable people, with a civilization much longer than ours.  of course they want not only nuclear energy, but nuclear weapons as well. there&#8217;s a million good reasons, from their standpoint for this (about 200 of them are called &#8220;israeli nuclear weapons&#8221; about which NOTHING is done and NOTHING was done when it could have made a difference). and we&#8217;re not acting responsibly, as a major power with nuclear weapons.  doesn&#8217;t matter if we only use conventional weapons in our aggression &#8212; the nukes are there up our sleeve, just in case, if all else fails.  whether or not they&#8217;ve temporarily suspended those efforts, that stands &#8212; that they want and think they need and can have these weapons.  and they will eventually have them, no matter how long it takes.  so that&#8217;s another legacy of the cretin in chief and the monstrous, malignant creature directing him &#8212; nuclear north korea (if you think they gave it up, you&#8217;re really naive) and nuclear iran.  (and al-quaeda gaining upper hand in nuclear pakistan).  along with an all-encompassing hatred for us.</p>
<p>not a word about any of that in your article.</p>
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		<title>By: john wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/cheney-trying-to-create-casus-belli-direct-special-ops-in-iran-and-provoke-the-entire-shiite-world/#comment-23546</link>
		<dc:creator>john wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;.....“Everybody’s arguing about the high-value-target list,” a former senior intelligence official told Hersh, referring to persons targeted for assassination in Iran.&quot;

The above quote does NOT exist in the Hersh piece.  You invented it.  This is the snippet in the piece containing discussion of &quot;high value targets&quot;:

&quot;Clandestine operations against Iran are not new. United States Special Operations Forces have been conducting cross-border operations from southern Iraq, with Presidential authorization, since last year. These have included seizing members of Al Quds, the commando arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and taking them to Iraq for interrogation, and the pursuit of “high-value targets” in the President’s war on terror, who may be captured or killed.&quot;

Thus, it&#039;s clear that the &quot;high value targets&quot; refers to cross-border pursuit of persons thought to be responsible for attacking the US military, etc. IN IRAQ, and NOT to assassination of selected Iranian officials as is suggested in YOUR wording.  And, I&#039;m sure that your wording is not accidental, it&#039;s par for the course for the &quot;progressives&quot; to use any means necessary, including lying, disinformation, distortion to &quot;prove&quot; your points and get &quot;points&quot; from your base -- it&#039;s all about fame and fortune and truth be damned.

And this is why we have this malignant administration and why we&#039;ll never have change in this country.  because people like you subvert the truth to your own ends.  you could care less about change and about iran and about this world, it&#039;s all cynically arranged to suit you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;..“Everybody’s arguing about the high-value-target list,” a former senior intelligence official told Hersh, referring to persons targeted for assassination in Iran.&#8221;</p>
<p>The above quote does NOT exist in the Hersh piece.  You invented it.  This is the snippet in the piece containing discussion of &#8220;high value targets&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;Clandestine operations against Iran are not new. United States Special Operations Forces have been conducting cross-border operations from southern Iraq, with Presidential authorization, since last year. These have included seizing members of Al Quds, the commando arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and taking them to Iraq for interrogation, and the pursuit of “high-value targets” in the President’s war on terror, who may be captured or killed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thus, it&#8217;s clear that the &#8220;high value targets&#8221; refers to cross-border pursuit of persons thought to be responsible for attacking the US military, etc. IN IRAQ, and NOT to assassination of selected Iranian officials as is suggested in YOUR wording.  And, I&#8217;m sure that your wording is not accidental, it&#8217;s par for the course for the &#8220;progressives&#8221; to use any means necessary, including lying, disinformation, distortion to &#8220;prove&#8221; your points and get &#8220;points&#8221; from your base &#8212; it&#8217;s all about fame and fortune and truth be damned.</p>
<p>And this is why we have this malignant administration and why we&#8217;ll never have change in this country.  because people like you subvert the truth to your own ends.  you could care less about change and about iran and about this world, it&#8217;s all cynically arranged to suit you.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/cheney-trying-to-create-casus-belli-direct-special-ops-in-iran-and-provoke-the-entire-shiite-world/#comment-23545</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it wd  be nice to know  who r the 18%  of  the people  that  favor  war against  iran.
as we know american 1 does not equal american 2.
american 1 may be wife of  a senator.  american 3 might be a bnaire.   
am i mistaken that polsters don&#039;t  reveal  who  the respondents r, what they do, what they have, etc.
still, i&#039;m glad there is 73%  of amers who oppose the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it wd  be nice to know  who r the 18%  of  the people  that  favor  war against  iran.<br />
as we know american 1 does not equal american 2.<br />
american 1 may be wife of  a senator.  american 3 might be a bnaire.<br />
am i mistaken that polsters don&#8217;t  reveal  who  the respondents r, what they do, what they have, etc.<br />
still, i&#8217;m glad there is 73%  of amers who oppose the war.</p>
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		<title>By: john wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/cheney-trying-to-create-casus-belli-direct-special-ops-in-iran-and-provoke-the-entire-shiite-world/#comment-23544</link>
		<dc:creator>john wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and it was occupied by the Romans under Trajan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and it was occupied by the Romans under Trajan.</p>
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		<title>By: john wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/cheney-trying-to-create-casus-belli-direct-special-ops-in-iran-and-provoke-the-entire-shiite-world/#comment-23543</link>
		<dc:creator>john wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While subject to British infringements on its sovereignty, Iran was never colonized. It’s proud nation dating back to the Persian Empire of 2600 years ago.&quot;

First off, Persia was UNIFIED in 625 BC, but its constituent parts date from much earlier.  Secondly, Iran (Persia) has been colonized (occupied) SEVERAL times in its history:  by Alexander the Great in 333 BC (reunification of Persia didn&#039;t occur for 700 years after that defeat); it was part of the Arab Umayyad Caliphate for almost 200 years until 822AD.  In the 1200s AD, there were repeated conquests by Genghis Khan and other Mongols and Turco-Mongols.  Maybe Iran was never &quot;colonized&quot;  in the &quot;modern&quot; era, though half of it was taken by Russia and Britain in 18-19th centuries and all of it was occupied in WW2 .

So, murky play with facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While subject to British infringements on its sovereignty, Iran was never colonized. It’s proud nation dating back to the Persian Empire of 2600 years ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>First off, Persia was UNIFIED in 625 BC, but its constituent parts date from much earlier.  Secondly, Iran (Persia) has been colonized (occupied) SEVERAL times in its history:  by Alexander the Great in 333 BC (reunification of Persia didn&#8217;t occur for 700 years after that defeat); it was part of the Arab Umayyad Caliphate for almost 200 years until 822AD.  In the 1200s AD, there were repeated conquests by Genghis Khan and other Mongols and Turco-Mongols.  Maybe Iran was never &#8220;colonized&#8221;  in the &#8220;modern&#8221; era, though half of it was taken by Russia and Britain in 18-19th centuries and all of it was occupied in WW2 .</p>
<p>So, murky play with facts.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/cheney-trying-to-create-casus-belli-direct-special-ops-in-iran-and-provoke-the-entire-shiite-world/#comment-23535</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the &quot;Judeo-Christian&quot; exemplar is so very impressive, isn&#039;t it.
I get chills all over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the &#8220;Judeo-Christian&#8221; exemplar is so very impressive, isn&#8217;t it.<br />
I get chills all over.</p>
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		<title>By: Sickofit</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/07/cheney-trying-to-create-casus-belli-direct-special-ops-in-iran-and-provoke-the-entire-shiite-world/#comment-23528</link>
		<dc:creator>Sickofit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From 1945 to 2005, the United States attempted to overthrow 50 governments, many of them democracies, and to crush 30 popular movements fighting tyrannical regimes. In the process, 25 countries were bombed, causing the loss of several million lives and the despair of millions more. 

The Israeli and the United States Governments, both with powerful nuclear arsenals and self-righteous pretensions to have the right to attack anyone anywhere over perceived threats to &quot;National Security&quot;, have made it clear that they want to attack Iran on the grounds that Iran is a serious nuclear and regional threat. 

Iran has never even invaded anybody in its entire modern history, its supreme leader continues to issues Fatwas against the use of nuclear weapons, and the IAEA has yet to find any evidence of a viable nuclear weapons program. On top of that, America&#039;s own intelligence agencies recently said as much too, that there is no evidence of an active nuclear weapons program.

Meanwhile, American people continue leading their ‘American Dream’ lives while being led to their own destruction along a road paved with celebrity trivialities and banal stories of nothingness that passes for news in their country. Never has it been more true the age old saying, “For those who do not learn history they are doomed to repeat it.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From 1945 to 2005, the United States attempted to overthrow 50 governments, many of them democracies, and to crush 30 popular movements fighting tyrannical regimes. In the process, 25 countries were bombed, causing the loss of several million lives and the despair of millions more. </p>
<p>The Israeli and the United States Governments, both with powerful nuclear arsenals and self-righteous pretensions to have the right to attack anyone anywhere over perceived threats to &#8220;National Security&#8221;, have made it clear that they want to attack Iran on the grounds that Iran is a serious nuclear and regional threat. </p>
<p>Iran has never even invaded anybody in its entire modern history, its supreme leader continues to issues Fatwas against the use of nuclear weapons, and the IAEA has yet to find any evidence of a viable nuclear weapons program. On top of that, America&#8217;s own intelligence agencies recently said as much too, that there is no evidence of an active nuclear weapons program.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, American people continue leading their ‘American Dream’ lives while being led to their own destruction along a road paved with celebrity trivialities and banal stories of nothingness that passes for news in their country. Never has it been more true the age old saying, “For those who do not learn history they are doomed to repeat it.”</p>
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