Comments on: The Addicts Speak http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: DiamondDog http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/#comment-22864 DiamondDog Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:48:36 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2229#comment-22864 @ Michael Dawson - I think you'll find cars are a necessity in the UK too you know. It's a luxury to own are car if you live in a city or close to a reliable public transport network. The only reason we pay so much at the pump is because the govt take over 2/3 in tax. Edwin makes a good point. The US has had a finite resource too cheap for too long. It's gonna sting but you'd might as well get used it. @ Michael Dawson – I think you’ll find cars are a necessity in the UK too you know. It’s a luxury to own are car if you live in a city or close to a reliable public transport network. The only reason we pay so much at the pump is because the govt take over 2/3 in tax. Edwin makes a good point. The US has had a finite resource too cheap for too long. It’s gonna sting but you’d might as well get used it.

]]> By: evie http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/#comment-22856 evie Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:08:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2229#comment-22856 I knew of him but didn't know him. Hubby just said he met him a few times, during some union activities way back when. Legit truthsayers rarely, if ever, make it to the boob tube - unless it's to discredit or ridicule them. I knew of him but didn’t know him. Hubby just said he met him a few times, during some union activities way back when. Legit truthsayers rarely, if ever, make it to the boob tube – unless it’s to discredit or ridicule them.

]]> By: Michael Dawson http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/#comment-22853 Michael Dawson Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:53:38 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2229#comment-22853 Did you ever know about Tony Mazzocchi? He was the prez of the Oil, Chemical, and Atomic Workers, which had its HQ there in Lakewood. I met him a couple times, and he was one of those real people who stood and spoke for the good side in this country, but never made it onto TV (of course). Did you ever know about Tony Mazzocchi? He was the prez of the Oil, Chemical, and Atomic Workers, which had its HQ there in Lakewood. I met him a couple times, and he was one of those real people who stood and spoke for the good side in this country, but never made it onto TV (of course).

]]> By: evie http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/#comment-22852 evie Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:37:55 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2229#comment-22852 Yes Lakewood. Right picture, driving down from the Rockies going east. We had friends in Evergreen and Indian Hills. I knew (name dropping here) Wellington Webb back then - a really nice man who had to take over Pena's DIA mess. I've gradually lost contact with all but a couple of old friends from Colorado, my loss. We would see the "brown cloud" over Denver every morning when we reached a certain hill that looked out over the east and the city. I can imagine it is worse now. Yes Lakewood. Right picture, driving down from the Rockies going east. We had friends in Evergreen and Indian Hills. I knew (name dropping here) Wellington Webb back then – a really nice man who had to take over Pena’s DIA mess. I’ve gradually lost contact with all but a couple of old friends from Colorado, my loss.

We would see the “brown cloud” over Denver every morning when we reached a certain hill that looked out over the east and the city. I can imagine it is worse now.

]]> By: Michael Dawson http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/#comment-22851 Michael Dawson Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:24:06 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2229#comment-22851 Yeah, I think I meant Lakewood, not Aurora, Evie. But I did picture you driving down from range, meaning coming east, right? And Lakewood is on that side, in my mind at least. Denver is indeed quite polluted and sprawling and disconnected now, as you say. And it's so dry and flat, you see all the smog in one big view, too, so I wonder if it's any worse than any other place. Sad what "civilization" has done to this wonderful continent, and planet... Yeah, I think I meant Lakewood, not Aurora, Evie. But I did picture you driving down from range, meaning coming east, right? And Lakewood is on that side, in my mind at least.

Denver is indeed quite polluted and sprawling and disconnected now, as you say. And it’s so dry and flat, you see all the smog in one big view, too, so I wonder if it’s any worse than any other place.

Sad what “civilization” has done to this wonderful continent, and planet…

]]> By: evie http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/#comment-22850 evie Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:14:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2229#comment-22850 Mike I agree wholeheartedly. I think people want to renew community but the media steers us the other direction. We lived about 10 miles from Central City/Blackhawk, in Gilpin County. I loved Colorado and missed it for years after we left - but about 5 years ago returned for the funeral of a friend and was appalled at the changes that had taken place in the past 10 years. Denver, which I had always thought was a clean city, was dirtier, more crowded, neighborhoods I remembered as nice were seedy. But for the longest time I missed being able to ski, hike, trout fish on a minute's notice in the mountains. Aurora is more southeast of the city and flatland - back then we called it Saudi Aurora. Mike
I agree wholeheartedly. I think people want to renew community but the media steers us the other direction.

We lived about 10 miles from Central City/Blackhawk, in Gilpin County.

I loved Colorado and missed it for years after we left – but about 5 years ago returned for the funeral of a friend and was appalled at the changes that had taken place in the past 10 years. Denver, which I had always thought was a clean city, was dirtier, more crowded, neighborhoods I remembered as nice were seedy.

But for the longest time I missed being able to ski, hike, trout fish on a minute’s notice in the mountains.

Aurora is more southeast of the city and flatland – back then we called it Saudi Aurora.

]]> By: Michael Dawson http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/#comment-22847 Michael Dawson Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:50:30 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2229#comment-22847 P.S. to Evie: Where were you coming down to Denver from? Aurora maybe? Boulder? My whole maternal side is from Denver, and we have a little cabin up in Evergreen. Did you like CO? P.S. to Evie: Where were you coming down to Denver from? Aurora maybe? Boulder? My whole maternal side is from Denver, and we have a little cabin up in Evergreen. Did you like CO?

]]> By: Michael Dawson http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/#comment-22845 Michael Dawson Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:46:45 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2229#comment-22845 I agree, Evie. The culture is more broken into my-household-only consciousness than ever. But I say some of that (not all by any means) is actually due to cars-and-burbs itself. And I also think that white people are the main ones who are so small-focused. I also think it would be pretty easy to politicize this issue. I think the great majority of Americans want to renew a spirit of community and restore our democracy. Do you agree? I agree, Evie. The culture is more broken into my-household-only consciousness than ever. But I say some of that (not all by any means) is actually due to cars-and-burbs itself. And I also think that white people are the main ones who are so small-focused.

I also think it would be pretty easy to politicize this issue. I think the great majority of Americans want to renew a spirit of community and restore our democracy.

Do you agree?

]]> By: evie http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/#comment-22844 evie Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:38:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2229#comment-22844 Mike We carpooled quite a bit in the '70s when we lived in the mountains and commuted to Denver to work. The one way 1-1/2 hour drive was a pain in the ass but we wanted the tradeoff of living outside the city. I think the difference today is most folks simply don't want to be bothered with the social interaction necessary for successful carpooling. Mike
We carpooled quite a bit in the ’70s when we lived in the mountains and commuted to Denver to work. The one way 1-1/2 hour drive was a pain in the ass but we wanted the tradeoff of living outside the city.

I think the difference today is most folks simply don’t want to be bothered with the social interaction necessary for successful carpooling.

]]> By: Michael Dawson http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/#comment-22841 Michael Dawson Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:55:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2229#comment-22841 P.S. How would YOU carpool to work? How many of your co-workers live near you and have tolerably similar schedules? I'd wager very heavily the answer = zero. Carpooling is not just a fiction, but also one that always only sounds good for other people, not oneself. P.S. How would YOU carpool to work? How many of your co-workers live near you and have tolerably similar schedules? I’d wager very heavily the answer = zero. Carpooling is not just a fiction, but also one that always only sounds good for other people, not oneself.

]]> By: Michael Dawson http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/#comment-22840 Michael Dawson Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:52:44 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2229#comment-22840 There's a huge difference between England and the USA: cars are luxuries there and necessities here. Haven't you noticed? Maybe you live in Manhattan... There’s a huge difference between England and the USA: cars are luxuries there and necessities here. Haven’t you noticed? Maybe you live in Manhattan…

]]> By: Edwin Pell http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/the-addicts-speak/#comment-22834 Edwin Pell Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:04:34 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=2229#comment-22834 What price will an owner charge? The highest price he or she can get. So as the price of gas goes up and no one stops buying what is the seller to do but keep raising the price until the point where people just begin to stop buying. At what price will people start car pooling to work? At what price will people start car pooling to the grocery? I have not seen it happen yet ($4.15 per gallon). The English are paying $9 per gallon why would the Americans not do the same? What price will an owner charge? The highest price he or she can get. So as the price of gas goes up and no one stops buying what is the seller to do but keep raising the price until the point where people just begin to stop buying. At what price will people start car pooling to work? At what price will people start car pooling to the grocery? I have not seen it happen yet ($4.15 per gallon). The English are paying $9 per gallon why would the Americans not do the same?

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