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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/old-dogs-and-hard-time/#comment-22324</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They even charge interest to screw you.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Donnelly</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/old-dogs-and-hard-time/#comment-22318</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Donnelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine spent the last six years doing IT work for our county courts. He had to watch endless hours of trials. He even got a further inside view when he was put on a Grand Jury. It finally got to him and he quit as he couldn&#039;t stand to see any more lying cops, bullying prosecutors, unjust judges and an army of underlings working for the prison-industrial complex instead of the citizens.

Like Joe notes, everything&#039;s a  racket in the 21st century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine spent the last six years doing IT work for our county courts. He had to watch endless hours of trials. He even got a further inside view when he was put on a Grand Jury. It finally got to him and he quit as he couldn&#8217;t stand to see any more lying cops, bullying prosecutors, unjust judges and an army of underlings working for the prison-industrial complex instead of the citizens.</p>
<p>Like Joe notes, everything&#8217;s a  racket in the 21st century.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Bageant</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/old-dogs-and-hard-time/#comment-22226</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Bageant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Hysperia:
Yes, I agree with you. But injustice and oppression play no favorites, and fall upon us all equally. When we let our preconceived social and political notions determine our view of any given situation, such as Stokes&#039;, we serve the purpose of oppression, not truth. In other words, when we choose to make another human being&#039;s experience conform to our ideas of how the world is, we negate that human and contribute to oppression. There is nothing oppressors like better than political correctness, because once it is in place, whether it be to the left or to the right, it can be manipulated to serve the good of an elite few to divide the many.

In art and labor,
joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Hysperia:<br />
Yes, I agree with you. But injustice and oppression play no favorites, and fall upon us all equally. When we let our preconceived social and political notions determine our view of any given situation, such as Stokes&#8217;, we serve the purpose of oppression, not truth. In other words, when we choose to make another human being&#8217;s experience conform to our ideas of how the world is, we negate that human and contribute to oppression. There is nothing oppressors like better than political correctness, because once it is in place, whether it be to the left or to the right, it can be manipulated to serve the good of an elite few to divide the many.</p>
<p>In art and labor,<br />
joe</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Bageant</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/old-dogs-and-hard-time/#comment-22223</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Bageant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the absolute summary regarding material capitalism.  

You sir, have, as the Buddhist saying goes, &quot;Eyes as cold as ashes and a heart like a fiery dynamo.&quot;

In art and labor,
joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the absolute summary regarding material capitalism.  </p>
<p>You sir, have, as the Buddhist saying goes, &#8220;Eyes as cold as ashes and a heart like a fiery dynamo.&#8221;</p>
<p>In art and labor,<br />
joe</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Koontz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/old-dogs-and-hard-time/#comment-22220</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capitalism works well as a system of control. As long as we are controlled, justice is superfluous. If we aren&#039;t controlled, justice is inevitable. Without capitalist control there is no capitalism, in the same sense as without a bully&#039;s fists there is no bully.

When there&#039;s a gun to one&#039;s head, obedience or death become the options.

The vast majority of heroes throughout history rapidly become corpses following their announcement of such. Thus many of us are heroes within ourselves - few of us are heroes in society. Even the best of us (especially the best of us) feel guilty and unmanly. And so we beat our women. And so we feel even guiltier. And so our women prefer capitalists, who feel only happy and contented at the state of the world.

We living human beings under capitalism are those who choose obedience over death. All that separates us is the degree to which we resist obedience, accept the resulting oppression, and flirt with death at the hand of the state.

Precisely because we do not accept death, we are corrupt. Most of our &quot;hope&quot; is based on vanity, on the thought that we can destroy the system.

Even accepting death does not defeat capitalism, since capitalists will oblige the threat in such a way to cause increased fear of death in the remaining not-yet-dead citizens. Murder is exploitable, as feudal lords and all other capitalists understand.

Martyrdom is useful, but martyrdom lacks rationality and can also be exploited. The ruling class simply subverts the meaning of the murder and the martyr becomes irrelevant (for his populist purpose).

It&#039;s popular in the US to say that capitalism is decaying, but there&#039;s no proof of that. It&#039;s only true that capitalism in America is decaying - it&#039;s doing well enough in China and India. We may see several more centuries of monstrosity with different faces, different races, but the same old shit issued from master to slave.

Even the left, which considers itself sophisticated, rarely sees beyond it&#039;s own national borders. This myopia, this lack of a global war to destroy capitalism, this continued desire to transfer criminal blood money from American capitalists to American workers, is doing as much or more to damage the future of the world as capitalism itself.

Some of us are waiting for the right time and the right structures so that when we accept death it will not necessarily be in vain. Until we accept our destiny and build those structures we will be guilty.

We&#039;ll all become corpses soon enough - let us be wise prior to our death. Let us be forgotten by the elite instead of being called heroes, like the vain do who partake in foolish death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capitalism works well as a system of control. As long as we are controlled, justice is superfluous. If we aren&#8217;t controlled, justice is inevitable. Without capitalist control there is no capitalism, in the same sense as without a bully&#8217;s fists there is no bully.</p>
<p>When there&#8217;s a gun to one&#8217;s head, obedience or death become the options.</p>
<p>The vast majority of heroes throughout history rapidly become corpses following their announcement of such. Thus many of us are heroes within ourselves &#8211; few of us are heroes in society. Even the best of us (especially the best of us) feel guilty and unmanly. And so we beat our women. And so we feel even guiltier. And so our women prefer capitalists, who feel only happy and contented at the state of the world.</p>
<p>We living human beings under capitalism are those who choose obedience over death. All that separates us is the degree to which we resist obedience, accept the resulting oppression, and flirt with death at the hand of the state.</p>
<p>Precisely because we do not accept death, we are corrupt. Most of our &#8220;hope&#8221; is based on vanity, on the thought that we can destroy the system.</p>
<p>Even accepting death does not defeat capitalism, since capitalists will oblige the threat in such a way to cause increased fear of death in the remaining not-yet-dead citizens. Murder is exploitable, as feudal lords and all other capitalists understand.</p>
<p>Martyrdom is useful, but martyrdom lacks rationality and can also be exploited. The ruling class simply subverts the meaning of the murder and the martyr becomes irrelevant (for his populist purpose).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s popular in the US to say that capitalism is decaying, but there&#8217;s no proof of that. It&#8217;s only true that capitalism in America is decaying &#8211; it&#8217;s doing well enough in China and India. We may see several more centuries of monstrosity with different faces, different races, but the same old shit issued from master to slave.</p>
<p>Even the left, which considers itself sophisticated, rarely sees beyond it&#8217;s own national borders. This myopia, this lack of a global war to destroy capitalism, this continued desire to transfer criminal blood money from American capitalists to American workers, is doing as much or more to damage the future of the world as capitalism itself.</p>
<p>Some of us are waiting for the right time and the right structures so that when we accept death it will not necessarily be in vain. Until we accept our destiny and build those structures we will be guilty.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll all become corpses soon enough &#8211; let us be wise prior to our death. Let us be forgotten by the elite instead of being called heroes, like the vain do who partake in foolish death.</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/old-dogs-and-hard-time/#comment-22172</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and &quot;super jails&quot;,  its related services and &#039;capitalism&#039; on the whole would be smiling all the way to the bank...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and &#8220;super jails&#8221;,  its related services and &#8216;capitalism&#8217; on the whole would be smiling all the way to the bank&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/old-dogs-and-hard-time/#comment-22170</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness me! What a depressing story....

Wouldn&#039;t Bill Clinton also qualify as a sex offender? 

Look at all the money his &#039; psychologist, his piss tester, his lie detector service contractor, ... and all good citizens with investments on Wall Street&#039;  would make ! 

Then, Bill would also wish he had his dick chopped off...surely an obliging  dominatrix would do it for him for a huge  fee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness me! What a depressing story&#8230;.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t Bill Clinton also qualify as a sex offender? </p>
<p>Look at all the money his &#8216; psychologist, his piss tester, his lie detector service contractor, &#8230; and all good citizens with investments on Wall Street&#8217;  would make ! </p>
<p>Then, Bill would also wish he had his dick chopped off&#8230;surely an obliging  dominatrix would do it for him for a huge  fee.</p>
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		<title>By: hysperia</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/old-dogs-and-hard-time/#comment-22164</link>
		<dc:creator>hysperia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think Stokes&#039; situation is weird, imagine how strange it is to be a woman who goes out, gets a bit drunk, or a lot drunk,  with some guy in a bar, and then gets raped by athis redneck in a part of the country where it&#039;s normal to carry a firearm in one&#039;s car. And then no one believes her. This is by far the more typical scenario, whether or not it&#039;s applies in this case. I&#039;m not prepared to take your word for it here either.
However, I certainly agree with the overall point of your article. The good old corporate prison complex is depraved in so many ways and in addition, much like US policy on terrorism, it does not protect the members of the public it  purports to serve -  likely, the opposite.  The conditions under which Stokes lives are ridiculous. Outrageous, even. It&#039;s a good thing he&#039;s not a woman. A woman would just starve to death as it certainly isn&#039;t remotely safe to go grocery shopping at the time of night that Stokes does. She would have to be afraid of a lot more than police, though they can be treacherous for women alone at night as well, particularly if they happen to be vulnerable with respect to criminal records.
I wish so much that &quot;lefties&quot; could resolve the problems that divide them/us and work together for change. Left wing men still haven&#039;t figured out how that might best be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think Stokes&#8217; situation is weird, imagine how strange it is to be a woman who goes out, gets a bit drunk, or a lot drunk,  with some guy in a bar, and then gets raped by athis redneck in a part of the country where it&#8217;s normal to carry a firearm in one&#8217;s car. And then no one believes her. This is by far the more typical scenario, whether or not it&#8217;s applies in this case. I&#8217;m not prepared to take your word for it here either.<br />
However, I certainly agree with the overall point of your article. The good old corporate prison complex is depraved in so many ways and in addition, much like US policy on terrorism, it does not protect the members of the public it  purports to serve &#8211;  likely, the opposite.  The conditions under which Stokes lives are ridiculous. Outrageous, even. It&#8217;s a good thing he&#8217;s not a woman. A woman would just starve to death as it certainly isn&#8217;t remotely safe to go grocery shopping at the time of night that Stokes does. She would have to be afraid of a lot more than police, though they can be treacherous for women alone at night as well, particularly if they happen to be vulnerable with respect to criminal records.<br />
I wish so much that &#8220;lefties&#8221; could resolve the problems that divide them/us and work together for change. Left wing men still haven&#8217;t figured out how that might best be done.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/old-dogs-and-hard-time/#comment-22115</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not much to laugh at here, Joe. Damn, it&#039;s sad. Depressing and real. I&#039;d bet everyone who reads this, if they think a bit, know a Stokes, or two. I know I do.
Reminds me of another American, a real American with stories to tell and songs to sing of good times and bad times. 
Merle Haggard, who tells the truth not only about Muskogee (&quot;it&#039;s the only place I don&#039;t smoke it&quot;) but of living in an America so lost and blind.
&quot;In 1960, when I came out of prison as an ex-convict, I had more freedom under parolee supervision than there&#039;s available to an average citizen in America right now. God almighty, what have we done to each other?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much to laugh at here, Joe. Damn, it&#8217;s sad. Depressing and real. I&#8217;d bet everyone who reads this, if they think a bit, know a Stokes, or two. I know I do.<br />
Reminds me of another American, a real American with stories to tell and songs to sing of good times and bad times.<br />
Merle Haggard, who tells the truth not only about Muskogee (&#8221;it&#8217;s the only place I don&#8217;t smoke it&#8221;) but of living in an America so lost and blind.<br />
&#8220;In 1960, when I came out of prison as an ex-convict, I had more freedom under parolee supervision than there&#8217;s available to an average citizen in America right now. God almighty, what have we done to each other?&#8221;</p>
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