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		<title>By: David Short</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/it-was-oil-all-along/#comment-25616</link>
		<dc:creator>David Short</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since complaining about Jews is a great way to get yourself branded an anti-Semite, it seems rational to me to focus on things like Christian Zionism if you disagree with Israeli policies.  After all, this is a battle for hearts and minds, in which we must take into account what tactics are most effective in opening people&#039;s minds and hearts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since complaining about Jews is a great way to get yourself branded an anti-Semite, it seems rational to me to focus on things like Christian Zionism if you disagree with Israeli policies.  After all, this is a battle for hearts and minds, in which we must take into account what tactics are most effective in opening people&#8217;s minds and hearts.</p>
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		<title>By: lrothrock</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/it-was-oil-all-along/#comment-23803</link>
		<dc:creator>lrothrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about whether Moyers is a gatekeeper, but I do know that Christian Zionism is a problem, and hugely unrecognized, which is probably why he focused on it rather than Jewish Zionism (which is sort of a given, isn&#039;t it?)  I&#039;d like to know where the idea that the oil companies &quot;did not favor invasion&quot; comes from, because as far as I could tell, everyone who had a voice was favoring invasion, and the power and money were all behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about whether Moyers is a gatekeeper, but I do know that Christian Zionism is a problem, and hugely unrecognized, which is probably why he focused on it rather than Jewish Zionism (which is sort of a given, isn&#8217;t it?)  I&#8217;d like to know where the idea that the oil companies &#8220;did not favor invasion&#8221; comes from, because as far as I could tell, everyone who had a voice was favoring invasion, and the power and money were all behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/it-was-oil-all-along/#comment-23449</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismael Hossein-zadeh argues that the main reason behind the current militarism in the middle east is geopolitical concerns of Israel.  He does not believe in Peak Oil theory and attacks the phony slogan of “no blood for oil”.  Please take a look at the following article:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JF25Dj05.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismael Hossein-zadeh argues that the main reason behind the current militarism in the middle east is geopolitical concerns of Israel.  He does not believe in Peak Oil theory and attacks the phony slogan of “no blood for oil”.  Please take a look at the following article:<br />
<a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JF25Dj05.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JF25Dj05.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/it-was-oil-all-along/#comment-23379</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a little taste of &#039;the usual suspects&#039; progressive values.

http://mparent7777-1.livejournal.com/725911.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a little taste of &#8216;the usual suspects&#8217; progressive values.</p>
<p><a href="http://mparent7777-1.livejournal.com/725911.html" rel="nofollow">http://mparent7777-1.livejournal.com/725911.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/it-was-oil-all-along/#comment-23251</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was Snake Oil, all along. Moyers was a pro-Israel &quot;liberal&quot; all along. hp &amp; DB nailed it. Btw, &quot;cachet&quot;. But not to me. BM strikes me as just another suit-wearing phony, typical of the &quot;Green&quot; Democrat/Demogreen crowd. 

Yuppies for Intellectual Irresponsibility: diffrent snowjobs for diff. Eddicated Fools. Just another cog in the Ideological State Apparatus. Part of the Scam, the long night long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Snake Oil, all along. Moyers was a pro-Israel &#8220;liberal&#8221; all along. hp &amp; DB nailed it. Btw, &#8220;cachet&#8221;. But not to me. BM strikes me as just another suit-wearing phony, typical of the &#8220;Green&#8221; Democrat/Demogreen crowd. </p>
<p>Yuppies for Intellectual Irresponsibility: diffrent snowjobs for diff. Eddicated Fools. Just another cog in the Ideological State Apparatus. Part of the Scam, the long night long.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/it-was-oil-all-along/#comment-23229</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat is correct and honest. Bill Moyers, despite his cutesy left popularity and Mr. nice guy liberal peacenik  is a gatekeeper for &#039;the usual suspects.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat is correct and honest. Bill Moyers, despite his cutesy left popularity and Mr. nice guy liberal peacenik  is a gatekeeper for &#8216;the usual suspects.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/it-was-oil-all-along/#comment-23228</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don hawkins,
u r right  ab  climate change. bns of people may perish in less  than a cent.
that is  why  siberia looks  mighty good  to plutos. siberia may become much warmer  while in africa even tomatoes might evaporate in heat.
plutos want  the planet; that&#039;s why, i deduce, all this warfare. 
plutos  will  pick  the best  places to live in; the rest  will  saute to hell.
but at least  hell&#039;s cooled dwn to suit  even me. thanx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don hawkins,<br />
u r right  ab  climate change. bns of people may perish in less  than a cent.<br />
that is  why  siberia looks  mighty good  to plutos. siberia may become much warmer  while in africa even tomatoes might evaporate in heat.<br />
plutos want  the planet; that&#8217;s why, i deduce, all this warfare.<br />
plutos  will  pick  the best  places to live in; the rest  will  saute to hell.<br />
but at least  hell&#8217;s cooled dwn to suit  even me. thanx</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/it-was-oil-all-along/#comment-23223</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Oh, no, they told us, Iraq isn’t a war about oil. &lt;/i&gt;

Who is the &quot;they&quot;  that are telling &quot;us&quot; the war in Iraq is not about oil?  Most liberals and &quot;progressives&quot; have been telling &quot;us&quot; that the war in Iraq IS about oil.  The authors never identify those who are telling &quot;us&quot; otherwize.   Unfortunately, Moyers checks are cut by Annenberg.

Moyers has been on the wrong side of two key issues:
Social Security and Zionism.

On Social Security he has bought into the canard that Social Security is in &quot;crisis&quot; and the demographic canard used to sell cuts in Social Security and unfairly raising the retirement age.  On Social Security he typically features such right wing advocacy.  He never revealed the truth that his former boss -- Lyndon Johnson -- put Social Security on budget to deliberately understate military spending.

Moyers also recently did a piece on &quot;Christian&quot; Zionism as if this is a major problem and as if this is where Zionism in the U.S. emanates.  He even had the Liberal Zionist, Michael Lerner on the program to discuss this problem.  Not once did Moyers ask Liberal Zionist Lerner about his own Zionism and the problem with &quot;Jewish&quot; Zionism.  Since AIPIC membership is 90% Jewish and that they wield a great deal in influence on the political economy, as a journalist, Moyers missed a great opportunity to ask a direct question about Lerner&#039;s own Zionism and &quot;Jewish&quot; Zionism is general.

Moyers has never balanced his program with someone like James Petras who has written that the oil companies did not favor invasion and destruction in Iraq and most likely do not favor a similar fate for Iran.  Yet Moyers has chatted across the table with a Zionist like Lerner.

On the issues of Zionism and Social Security, Moyers lacks credibility.  There are much better sources.  Unfortunately because Moyers has cache, his voice will be pointed to by those of the &quot;left&quot; who wants to obscure Zionism in the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh, no, they told us, Iraq isn’t a war about oil. </i></p>
<p>Who is the &#8220;they&#8221;  that are telling &#8220;us&#8221; the war in Iraq is not about oil?  Most liberals and &#8220;progressives&#8221; have been telling &#8220;us&#8221; that the war in Iraq IS about oil.  The authors never identify those who are telling &#8220;us&#8221; otherwize.   Unfortunately, Moyers checks are cut by Annenberg.</p>
<p>Moyers has been on the wrong side of two key issues:<br />
Social Security and Zionism.</p>
<p>On Social Security he has bought into the canard that Social Security is in &#8220;crisis&#8221; and the demographic canard used to sell cuts in Social Security and unfairly raising the retirement age.  On Social Security he typically features such right wing advocacy.  He never revealed the truth that his former boss &#8212; Lyndon Johnson &#8212; put Social Security on budget to deliberately understate military spending.</p>
<p>Moyers also recently did a piece on &#8220;Christian&#8221; Zionism as if this is a major problem and as if this is where Zionism in the U.S. emanates.  He even had the Liberal Zionist, Michael Lerner on the program to discuss this problem.  Not once did Moyers ask Liberal Zionist Lerner about his own Zionism and the problem with &#8220;Jewish&#8221; Zionism.  Since AIPIC membership is 90% Jewish and that they wield a great deal in influence on the political economy, as a journalist, Moyers missed a great opportunity to ask a direct question about Lerner&#8217;s own Zionism and &#8220;Jewish&#8221; Zionism is general.</p>
<p>Moyers has never balanced his program with someone like James Petras who has written that the oil companies did not favor invasion and destruction in Iraq and most likely do not favor a similar fate for Iran.  Yet Moyers has chatted across the table with a Zionist like Lerner.</p>
<p>On the issues of Zionism and Social Security, Moyers lacks credibility.  There are much better sources.  Unfortunately because Moyers has cache, his voice will be pointed to by those of the &#8220;left&#8221; who wants to obscure Zionism in the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/it-was-oil-all-along/#comment-23218</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill and Michael good one.  Of course it was about oil and money and power. Do the oil company&#039;s or the coal company&#039;s know how serious climate change is and what it will mean for my kids and there kids?  Of course they do and yet this administration when it came to James Hansen and telling the truth about climate change did all they could to stop that truth from coming out short of burning books and are still doing all they can to continue with the confusion.  If we don&#039;t start now on slowing this little problem there will be plenty of confusion to go around.  Now I could write many things on why these people do this but let&#039;s keep it simple because they are idiot&#039;s.  All you have to do is look at the big picture to see that and the path we are now on and these idiot&#039;s vision will take us all into the darkside.  Am I being to hard on them, no.  What James Hansen also said was that it will be of little consolation to try these idiot&#039;s for crimes against humanity and nature if we don&#039;t do what is needed to slow climate change.  

Talk, talk, talk.  Everybody has one that little voice in the back of there head and what is it saying?  We need to quite talking and do what is needed and what is needed?  Some hard choices another part is to slow down until we can solve some very difficult problems and that would be well one big one is using right now 30% or more stuff than the Earth can reproduce.  Talk, talk, talk.  
      Now what is the Earth saying to us.  Human&#039;s you are taking out of the ground the carbon it took me millions of years to put there and I did that for a reason.  Probably a good idea not to do this anymore do you see the signs.
    Now it sure looks like there is this little war going on and that is people who want to keep things the way they are and a few who see the signs.  Who will win nobody.

Come gather &#039;round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You&#039;ll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin&#039;
Then you better start swimmin&#039;
Or you&#039;ll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin&#039;.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won&#039;t come again
And don&#039;t speak too soon
For the wheel&#039;s still in spin
And there&#039;s no tellin&#039; who
That it&#039;s namin&#039;.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin&#039;.

The chance won&#039;t come again is a very important part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill and Michael good one.  Of course it was about oil and money and power. Do the oil company&#8217;s or the coal company&#8217;s know how serious climate change is and what it will mean for my kids and there kids?  Of course they do and yet this administration when it came to James Hansen and telling the truth about climate change did all they could to stop that truth from coming out short of burning books and are still doing all they can to continue with the confusion.  If we don&#8217;t start now on slowing this little problem there will be plenty of confusion to go around.  Now I could write many things on why these people do this but let&#8217;s keep it simple because they are idiot&#8217;s.  All you have to do is look at the big picture to see that and the path we are now on and these idiot&#8217;s vision will take us all into the darkside.  Am I being to hard on them, no.  What James Hansen also said was that it will be of little consolation to try these idiot&#8217;s for crimes against humanity and nature if we don&#8217;t do what is needed to slow climate change.  </p>
<p>Talk, talk, talk.  Everybody has one that little voice in the back of there head and what is it saying?  We need to quite talking and do what is needed and what is needed?  Some hard choices another part is to slow down until we can solve some very difficult problems and that would be well one big one is using right now 30% or more stuff than the Earth can reproduce.  Talk, talk, talk.<br />
      Now what is the Earth saying to us.  Human&#8217;s you are taking out of the ground the carbon it took me millions of years to put there and I did that for a reason.  Probably a good idea not to do this anymore do you see the signs.<br />
    Now it sure looks like there is this little war going on and that is people who want to keep things the way they are and a few who see the signs.  Who will win nobody.</p>
<p>Come gather &#8217;round people<br />
Wherever you roam<br />
And admit that the waters<br />
Around you have grown<br />
And accept it that soon<br />
You&#8217;ll be drenched to the bone.<br />
If your time to you<br />
Is worth savin&#8217;<br />
Then you better start swimmin&#8217;<br />
Or you&#8217;ll sink like a stone<br />
For the times they are a-changin&#8217;.</p>
<p>Come writers and critics<br />
Who prophesize with your pen<br />
And keep your eyes wide<br />
The chance won&#8217;t come again<br />
And don&#8217;t speak too soon<br />
For the wheel&#8217;s still in spin<br />
And there&#8217;s no tellin&#8217; who<br />
That it&#8217;s namin&#8217;.<br />
For the loser now<br />
Will be later to win<br />
For the times they are a-changin&#8217;.</p>
<p>The chance won&#8217;t come again is a very important part.</p>
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		<title>By: bozhidar balkas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/it-was-oil-all-along/#comment-23205</link>
		<dc:creator>bozhidar balkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some  160  US  invasions, including  invasions/occupations  of  afhg&#039;n/iraq  prove,  that  US  is  after  the  real  estate.
oil  had flowed  freely while  saddam  was  in control; thus  no need to attack iraq  solely for  oil.
on  a personal  level, level of individuals  making  possibly/probably mns or bns  from  controling oil in iraq, is another matter .
the empire, the 290mn people out of  300mn, r loosers.
and may be, we all  r paying  for that war/occupation and not just  the funny uncle.  thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some  160  US  invasions, including  invasions/occupations  of  afhg&#8217;n/iraq  prove,  that  US  is  after  the  real  estate.<br />
oil  had flowed  freely while  saddam  was  in control; thus  no need to attack iraq  solely for  oil.<br />
on  a personal  level, level of individuals  making  possibly/probably mns or bns  from  controling oil in iraq, is another matter .<br />
the empire, the 290mn people out of  300mn, r loosers.<br />
and may be, we all  r paying  for that war/occupation and not just  the funny uncle.  thank u</p>
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