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	<title>Comments on: Noam Chomsky, Tom Hayden, Brian Wilson: At Work for John Negroponte?</title>
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		<title>By: oscar jose</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-29896</link>
		<dc:creator>oscar jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it has been to my amazement how alot of liberal white websites claim to understand latin america. relative to me is nicaragua. how can this article claim that ortega was a popular elected president. what are the bearings they have to claim this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it has been to my amazement how alot of liberal white websites claim to understand latin america. relative to me is nicaragua. how can this article claim that ortega was a popular elected president. what are the bearings they have to claim this?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-24511</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your facts are wrong.  The majority of Nicaraguan´s voted for the two Center-Right parties, the PLC and the NLC.  The PLC and FSLN, with El Pacto, embody the worst of strongman-third world corruption.  I was living in Nicaragua at the time, and had been living there for the two previous years.  the MRS would have faired better in the election had the original candidate lived (Herty Lewites died, quite conspicously, four months prior to the election).  A split ticket (Lewites was a former Sandinista spliting the ticket with Ortega) and a split Liberal ticket (Rizo was Aleman´s puppet, Monteleagre is a very popular centrist) would have put Monteleagre in front.  By Lewites death, Ortega was able to win the election with 38% of the vote (the previous constitution--before El Pacto--required a run-off election between the top two candidates until someone wins with 50% at least.  Eliminating this rule (Ortega knew he would get at least 36% of the vote), and Lewites untimely death, led to Ortega`s victory.  Had Rizo not taken a percentage of Monteleagre`s split vote (which would have happened in a run-off election, there is no question that Monteleagre would currently be president.  The election results were 14% Rizo, 32% Monteleagre, 38% Ortega, 7% Jarquin (Lewites was running closer to 18% before he died).  So, Liberals and Liberal dissendents had 46% of the vote to Sandinista and Sandinista dissendents totalling 45%.  
Corruption is such a central concern of Nicaraguans that Lewites and Monteleagre (though political opposites) were able to march side-by-side in the streets of Managua declaring that either of them would have a place in the others administration.  The march was understood to be against El Pacto--against the corruption of Ortega and Aleman.  

Since taking office, Ortega has created his own Citizen´s Counsel in each region to spend the 570? million dollars that he has received from Chavez.  Instead of putting that money into the government and allowing democratic channels like the National Assembly to decide how it is spent, Ortega has guarenteed himself complete control over where (and more importantly to whom) the money goes.  How is that democratic?  There has also been a level of secrecy and censorship which has not been in Nicaragua since the 80s.  

Dora Maria Tellez has the moral autority to condemn Ortega`s government because, unlike the majority of FSLN members, she refused to play a part in la piñata (the theft of money and property that Sandinistas split amongst themselves after taking office).  The most respected and idealistic of the Frente Sandinista from the days of the revolution are all MRS members now from Sergio Ramirez, Dora Maria Tellez, Edmundo Jarquin and the late Herty Lewites.  

The FSLN is not the party it was in the 1980s.  It is one half of the power-sharing couple of Aleman and Ortega.  The Nicaraguan people deserve better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your facts are wrong.  The majority of Nicaraguan´s voted for the two Center-Right parties, the PLC and the NLC.  The PLC and FSLN, with El Pacto, embody the worst of strongman-third world corruption.  I was living in Nicaragua at the time, and had been living there for the two previous years.  the MRS would have faired better in the election had the original candidate lived (Herty Lewites died, quite conspicously, four months prior to the election).  A split ticket (Lewites was a former Sandinista spliting the ticket with Ortega) and a split Liberal ticket (Rizo was Aleman´s puppet, Monteleagre is a very popular centrist) would have put Monteleagre in front.  By Lewites death, Ortega was able to win the election with 38% of the vote (the previous constitution&#8211;before El Pacto&#8211;required a run-off election between the top two candidates until someone wins with 50% at least.  Eliminating this rule (Ortega knew he would get at least 36% of the vote), and Lewites untimely death, led to Ortega`s victory.  Had Rizo not taken a percentage of Monteleagre`s split vote (which would have happened in a run-off election, there is no question that Monteleagre would currently be president.  The election results were 14% Rizo, 32% Monteleagre, 38% Ortega, 7% Jarquin (Lewites was running closer to 18% before he died).  So, Liberals and Liberal dissendents had 46% of the vote to Sandinista and Sandinista dissendents totalling 45%.<br />
Corruption is such a central concern of Nicaraguans that Lewites and Monteleagre (though political opposites) were able to march side-by-side in the streets of Managua declaring that either of them would have a place in the others administration.  The march was understood to be against El Pacto&#8211;against the corruption of Ortega and Aleman.  </p>
<p>Since taking office, Ortega has created his own Citizen´s Counsel in each region to spend the 570? million dollars that he has received from Chavez.  Instead of putting that money into the government and allowing democratic channels like the National Assembly to decide how it is spent, Ortega has guarenteed himself complete control over where (and more importantly to whom) the money goes.  How is that democratic?  There has also been a level of secrecy and censorship which has not been in Nicaragua since the 80s.  </p>
<p>Dora Maria Tellez has the moral autority to condemn Ortega`s government because, unlike the majority of FSLN members, she refused to play a part in la piñata (the theft of money and property that Sandinistas split amongst themselves after taking office).  The most respected and idealistic of the Frente Sandinista from the days of the revolution are all MRS members now from Sergio Ramirez, Dora Maria Tellez, Edmundo Jarquin and the late Herty Lewites.  </p>
<p>The FSLN is not the party it was in the 1980s.  It is one half of the power-sharing couple of Aleman and Ortega.  The Nicaraguan people deserve better.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22917</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanx for stepping back into the thread, dan e.  I lump Tom Hayden into the category of white-leftists-all-of-whom-failed in significant part because they thought white radicals confronted the same issues as black radicals.  To quote myself in a post to Robert Jensen’s DV article of June 6:

‘Although the left was not even radical in the 1990’s, it was grasping at the same straws as it had been hoping would “ignite” the masses at least since Watergate. This hope, combined with a not-totally unjustified fear that real radicalism — a la Malcolm X and the Black Panthers — would subject them to the same treatment (as well as set back if not end their imagined progress with middle Americans), largely explains their contribution to the nihilistic nineties.’

In fact I was so disillusioned with white-leftists after the 1970’s that I stopped paying attention to the politics of Hayden, and all other legislators in Sac, and have not really paid them any mind since.    So I don’t remember the crocks you mention.  Since about four years ago I have become somewhat politically active, as well as very politically aware, and in terms of support for politicians, I’ve contributed bucks to Dennis Kucinich and Barbara Lee and Cindy Sheehan.  

I appreciate your quotation.  Who said it?  Whoever it was is a very courageous person as well as being right, ultimately.  And I hope I follow your Rule 1.  Always.  I know I try to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx for stepping back into the thread, dan e.  I lump Tom Hayden into the category of white-leftists-all-of-whom-failed in significant part because they thought white radicals confronted the same issues as black radicals.  To quote myself in a post to Robert Jensen’s DV article of June 6:</p>
<p>‘Although the left was not even radical in the 1990’s, it was grasping at the same straws as it had been hoping would “ignite” the masses at least since Watergate. This hope, combined with a not-totally unjustified fear that real radicalism — a la Malcolm X and the Black Panthers — would subject them to the same treatment (as well as set back if not end their imagined progress with middle Americans), largely explains their contribution to the nihilistic nineties.’</p>
<p>In fact I was so disillusioned with white-leftists after the 1970’s that I stopped paying attention to the politics of Hayden, and all other legislators in Sac, and have not really paid them any mind since.    So I don’t remember the crocks you mention.  Since about four years ago I have become somewhat politically active, as well as very politically aware, and in terms of support for politicians, I’ve contributed bucks to Dennis Kucinich and Barbara Lee and Cindy Sheehan.  </p>
<p>I appreciate your quotation.  Who said it?  Whoever it was is a very courageous person as well as being right, ultimately.  And I hope I follow your Rule 1.  Always.  I know I try to.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22889</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Lloyd, where you been? IMHO you a pretty good guy, but you behind the curve on this Hayden character. He usta be a legislator here in Sac, back when I was a Poverty Warrior going to hearings etc. Remember &quot;Economic Democracy&quot;? &quot;CED&quot;? What a crock. 

&quot;The greatest weapon in the hands of the Oppressor is the Mind of the Oppressed.&quot; 

Anyone who has grown up in the US of A has been subjected to Colonization of the Mind. So the first assignment for each of us is to Decolonize our own thought processes. 

Rule No 1: ASSUME NOTHING</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Lloyd, where you been? IMHO you a pretty good guy, but you behind the curve on this Hayden character. He usta be a legislator here in Sac, back when I was a Poverty Warrior going to hearings etc. Remember &#8220;Economic Democracy&#8221;? &#8220;CED&#8221;? What a crock. </p>
<p>&#8220;The greatest weapon in the hands of the Oppressor is the Mind of the Oppressed.&#8221; </p>
<p>Anyone who has grown up in the US of A has been subjected to Colonization of the Mind. So the first assignment for each of us is to Decolonize our own thought processes. </p>
<p>Rule No 1: ASSUME NOTHING</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22815</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe someone can explain to me what the difference is between Israel controlling US foreign policy and US foreign policy being completely deferential to Israel, in terms of effective opposition to pro-Israel legislation and military support by America.   In both cases, we as American citizens, or at least we as persons located in America and without the  means to travel outside America&#039;s borders, are compelled to work within parameters operative in America.  Do we not?

So whether one thinks the tail (Israel) wags the dog (the US), or vice versa, is essentially a matter of emphasis.  With one difference, however.  Thinking -- and preaching -- that the tail wags the dog opens one to the charge of Anti-Semitism (racism), which charge when levelled by Americans against Americans, in my humble opinion, resonates with such forceful negativity among America&#039;s rulers that it further empowers the tail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someone can explain to me what the difference is between Israel controlling US foreign policy and US foreign policy being completely deferential to Israel, in terms of effective opposition to pro-Israel legislation and military support by America.   In both cases, we as American citizens, or at least we as persons located in America and without the  means to travel outside America&#8217;s borders, are compelled to work within parameters operative in America.  Do we not?</p>
<p>So whether one thinks the tail (Israel) wags the dog (the US), or vice versa, is essentially a matter of emphasis.  With one difference, however.  Thinking &#8212; and preaching &#8212; that the tail wags the dog opens one to the charge of Anti-Semitism (racism), which charge when levelled by Americans against Americans, in my humble opinion, resonates with such forceful negativity among America&#8217;s rulers that it further empowers the tail.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22769</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Petit-bourgeois “antiwar” activists who continue to accept either character as part of the Global Left, that is as allied with the class of people all over the planet who do not derive their livelihood from Property or privileged access to education, information, technology, healthcare, are helping the cause of the Zionist Power Config which now, with the aid of allies &amp; jr partners, runs US Imperialism.&lt;/i&gt;

This is a great observation.  There has been a lot of talk of &quot;Imperialism&quot; as a way to obscure the ZPC.  But the question is who influences and in whose interest is Imperialism being advanced in today&#039; era.  This question is not being asked by those on the &quot;left&quot; who likes to merely throw out &quot;Imperialism&quot; as an esoteric label.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Petit-bourgeois “antiwar” activists who continue to accept either character as part of the Global Left, that is as allied with the class of people all over the planet who do not derive their livelihood from Property or privileged access to education, information, technology, healthcare, are helping the cause of the Zionist Power Config which now, with the aid of allies &amp; jr partners, runs US Imperialism.</i></p>
<p>This is a great observation.  There has been a lot of talk of &#8220;Imperialism&#8221; as a way to obscure the ZPC.  But the question is who influences and in whose interest is Imperialism being advanced in today&#8217; era.  This question is not being asked by those on the &#8220;left&#8221; who likes to merely throw out &#8220;Imperialism&#8221; as an esoteric label.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22768</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The signatories look like the same folks who signed on with an Iranian &quot;peace&quot; group that was shunned by the British.  I recall that discussion here on DV.  It was an article written by Ron Jacobs if I&#039;m not mistakened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The signatories look like the same folks who signed on with an Iranian &#8220;peace&#8221; group that was shunned by the British.  I recall that discussion here on DV.  It was an article written by Ron Jacobs if I&#8217;m not mistakened.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Townsend</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22767</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Townsend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Readers might be intertested in the following article:
``Nicaragua: Anti-FSLN opposition seeks unity to topple Ortega government&#039;&#039; at http://links.org.au/node/482</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Readers might be intertested in the following article:<br />
&#8220;Nicaragua: Anti-FSLN opposition seeks unity to topple Ortega government&#8221; at <a href="http://links.org.au/node/482" rel="nofollow">http://links.org.au/node/482</a></p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22745</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of Brian Wilson&#039;s. The one I know is a vet, activist, and protester. He was protesting a train load of weapons, being transported, when he was run over - maybe on purpose. He was left without proper help and lost his legs. He is a real hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of Brian Wilson&#8217;s. The one I know is a vet, activist, and protester. He was protesting a train load of weapons, being transported, when he was run over &#8211; maybe on purpose. He was left without proper help and lost his legs. He is a real hero.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22739</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m only here for the cake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m only here for the cake.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22736</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a pleasure to be the carrion on which hp and John Wilkison feed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a pleasure to be the carrion on which hp and John Wilkison feed.</p>
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		<title>By: samson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22735</link>
		<dc:creator>samson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, after all the ranting about the MRS, what&#039;s wrong with calling for a government to &quot;not to shut down political freedom and to hold a national dialogue to address the food crisis and the high cost of living in Nicaragua&quot;?

That sounds like a basic principle I could support, regardless of the endless yiping about one political party or another.   In fact, I&#039;d like to see that happen in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, after all the ranting about the MRS, what&#8217;s wrong with calling for a government to &#8220;not to shut down political freedom and to hold a national dialogue to address the food crisis and the high cost of living in Nicaragua&#8221;?</p>
<p>That sounds like a basic principle I could support, regardless of the endless yiping about one political party or another.   In fact, I&#8217;d like to see that happen in America.</p>
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		<title>By: john wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22713</link>
		<dc:creator>john wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Both Chomsky and Hayden spoke and wrote directly to the major concerns of thinking leftists.&quot;

this sentence says it all.  why are they speaking and writing to the concerns of &quot;thinking&quot; (sic) leftists, instead to the concerns of the PEOPLE of this country and this country?  in your mind these are obviously two different things!!!!  so, what good are you leftists?

there&#039;s really not much to add, once you&#039;re done with all the subtraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Both Chomsky and Hayden spoke and wrote directly to the major concerns of thinking leftists.&#8221;</p>
<p>this sentence says it all.  why are they speaking and writing to the concerns of &#8220;thinking&#8221; (sic) leftists, instead to the concerns of the PEOPLE of this country and this country?  in your mind these are obviously two different things!!!!  so, what good are you leftists?</p>
<p>there&#8217;s really not much to add, once you&#8217;re done with all the subtraction.</p>
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		<title>By: john wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22712</link>
		<dc:creator>john wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...spoke and wrote directly to the major concerns of thinking leftists&quot;

that&#039;s the problem, they&#039;re &quot;thinking&quot; in their isolated ivory towers and echo chambers (of which this is a fine example).  real thinking comes from thinking AND doing AND interaction with the real world.  &quot;intellectuals&quot; have been at the root of many evils thru history.

&quot;...does that distinguish him in your mind from Barbara Lee and Dennis Kucinich, or do you dump all three in the trash together?&quot;

well, i dump ALL you &quot;intellectuals&quot; and &quot;leftists&quot; and &quot;progressives&quot; in the trash together.  i mean i want to throw up when i consider the difference btw your hype and what you really stand for.  just look at your luminaries, they&#039;ve done pretty well for themselves while not helping the people or the country ONE IOTA.  anyone can bullshit in an armchair.  and no, not ONE of them, would really like to be in a position of authority and responsibility, that would mean getting their hands dirty, all these presidential runs are just side shows for base points, fame, power and money.  it&#039;s much easier making your millions by bullshitting the blind.

do you think that barbara lee, or tom hayden, or dennis kucinich would even notice that you or I entered the room?  (unless it&#039;s posing for cameras).  no, they would look straight through us, we don&#039;t even exist in their little cliques.  they could give shit what we think or how it is to be in our shoes.  to them, we&#039;re not even ants.  it&#039;s not about us, it&#039;s about them, they&#039;ve got a nice little gig going all these years.

&quot;I’m not even going to approach the Israel-as-the-Root-of-All-Evil matter.&quot;

yes, it&#039;s great living in an israeli colony and being the colonized, and having your taxes go toward israeli concerns (while making US the target of THEIR blowback) and having your &quot;leaders&quot; commit high treason by licking israeli boots and kissing israeli ass (IN PUBLIC), and giving israel priority over all other states of the US.

get out in the world, lloyd, REAL WORLD, and smell some fresh air, instead of hanging around this echo chamber.  how many people do you think read this article?  lessee, there are a grand total of 8 comments (including mine), so, let&#039;s be optimistic and assume that only 1 in 100 readers leaves a comment (wildly optimistic, since it&#039;s so easy).  that makes a grand total of 800 readers of this article (while 80 is more like it).  and how many would really change their mind?  so, you see, this site makes as much difference as an ant in India.

and i didn&#039;t even read the article, i&#039;m just commenting on these cobwebs surrounding the article.  i know my comments also don&#039;t make a diff, but i just enjoy calling you &quot;intellectuals&quot; on your bullshit once in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;spoke and wrote directly to the major concerns of thinking leftists&#8221;</p>
<p>that&#8217;s the problem, they&#8217;re &#8220;thinking&#8221; in their isolated ivory towers and echo chambers (of which this is a fine example).  real thinking comes from thinking AND doing AND interaction with the real world.  &#8220;intellectuals&#8221; have been at the root of many evils thru history.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;does that distinguish him in your mind from Barbara Lee and Dennis Kucinich, or do you dump all three in the trash together?&#8221;</p>
<p>well, i dump ALL you &#8220;intellectuals&#8221; and &#8220;leftists&#8221; and &#8220;progressives&#8221; in the trash together.  i mean i want to throw up when i consider the difference btw your hype and what you really stand for.  just look at your luminaries, they&#8217;ve done pretty well for themselves while not helping the people or the country ONE IOTA.  anyone can bullshit in an armchair.  and no, not ONE of them, would really like to be in a position of authority and responsibility, that would mean getting their hands dirty, all these presidential runs are just side shows for base points, fame, power and money.  it&#8217;s much easier making your millions by bullshitting the blind.</p>
<p>do you think that barbara lee, or tom hayden, or dennis kucinich would even notice that you or I entered the room?  (unless it&#8217;s posing for cameras).  no, they would look straight through us, we don&#8217;t even exist in their little cliques.  they could give shit what we think or how it is to be in our shoes.  to them, we&#8217;re not even ants.  it&#8217;s not about us, it&#8217;s about them, they&#8217;ve got a nice little gig going all these years.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m not even going to approach the Israel-as-the-Root-of-All-Evil matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>yes, it&#8217;s great living in an israeli colony and being the colonized, and having your taxes go toward israeli concerns (while making US the target of THEIR blowback) and having your &#8220;leaders&#8221; commit high treason by licking israeli boots and kissing israeli ass (IN PUBLIC), and giving israel priority over all other states of the US.</p>
<p>get out in the world, lloyd, REAL WORLD, and smell some fresh air, instead of hanging around this echo chamber.  how many people do you think read this article?  lessee, there are a grand total of 8 comments (including mine), so, let&#8217;s be optimistic and assume that only 1 in 100 readers leaves a comment (wildly optimistic, since it&#8217;s so easy).  that makes a grand total of 800 readers of this article (while 80 is more like it).  and how many would really change their mind?  so, you see, this site makes as much difference as an ant in India.</p>
<p>and i didn&#8217;t even read the article, i&#8217;m just commenting on these cobwebs surrounding the article.  i know my comments also don&#8217;t make a diff, but i just enjoy calling you &#8220;intellectuals&#8221; on your bullshit once in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22704</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does &#039;Uncle Gore&#039; have to say about this most unsettling matter? 
He&#039;s been saying it since 1986, at least.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Pettifer_Zionism.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does &#8216;Uncle Gore&#8217; have to say about this most unsettling matter?<br />
He&#8217;s been saying it since 1986, at least.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Pettifer_Zionism.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Pettifer_Zionism.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22702</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hp:
From uncle Tom:
“What I fear is that the “Israeli lobby” is working overtime to influence American public opinion on behalf of Israel’s military effort to “roll back the clock” and “change the map” of the region, going far beyond issues like prisoner exchange. “
[What I fear is the rehabilitation of the discredited U.S. neoconservative agenda to ignite a larger war against Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran. The neoconservatives’ 1996 “Clean Break” memo advocated that Israel “roll back” Lebanon and destabilize Syria in addition to overthrowing Saddam Hussein. An intellectual dean of the neoconservatives, Bernard Lewis, has long advocated the “Lebanonization” of the Middle East, meaning the disintegration of nation states into “a chaos of squabbling, feuding, fighting sects, tribes, regions and parties.”]
Is this not   exactly what we have been saying many times in the past?  Those who advocate the phony slogan of “no blood for oil” to deflect attention to serve Israel’s interest are fooling no one except themselves.  The Zionist lobby, a fifth column, is pushing for another war against Iran now,  which is not in the interest of American people and they MUST ACT NOW to prevent further war and destruction  beneficial to “greater Israel”  where goes from Mauritania to
Afghanistan against American interest.  The Zionists and their gatekeepers who try to fool the public with “no blood for oil” are using Americans military power to destroy their enemies to raise their own empire in the region.  Iranian and the people of the region will make sure that these people take their wishes into their graves including the gatekeepers. 
The Shah of Iran who had close relationship with Israel said AIPAC had a lot of influence on US foreign policy in 1976 in an interview with Mike Wallace.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQgZ3oLp_WY
This is an  interview with Ahmadinejad who apparently “surprised” one of the members of the media. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykd-syzZ4ZY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hp:<br />
From uncle Tom:<br />
“What I fear is that the “Israeli lobby” is working overtime to influence American public opinion on behalf of Israel’s military effort to “roll back the clock” and “change the map” of the region, going far beyond issues like prisoner exchange. “<br />
[What I fear is the rehabilitation of the discredited U.S. neoconservative agenda to ignite a larger war against Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran. The neoconservatives’ 1996 “Clean Break” memo advocated that Israel “roll back” Lebanon and destabilize Syria in addition to overthrowing Saddam Hussein. An intellectual dean of the neoconservatives, Bernard Lewis, has long advocated the “Lebanonization” of the Middle East, meaning the disintegration of nation states into “a chaos of squabbling, feuding, fighting sects, tribes, regions and parties.”]<br />
Is this not   exactly what we have been saying many times in the past?  Those who advocate the phony slogan of “no blood for oil” to deflect attention to serve Israel’s interest are fooling no one except themselves.  The Zionist lobby, a fifth column, is pushing for another war against Iran now,  which is not in the interest of American people and they MUST ACT NOW to prevent further war and destruction  beneficial to “greater Israel”  where goes from Mauritania to<br />
Afghanistan against American interest.  The Zionists and their gatekeepers who try to fool the public with “no blood for oil” are using Americans military power to destroy their enemies to raise their own empire in the region.  Iranian and the people of the region will make sure that these people take their wishes into their graves including the gatekeepers.<br />
The Shah of Iran who had close relationship with Israel said AIPAC had a lot of influence on US foreign policy in 1976 in an interview with Mike Wallace.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQgZ3oLp_WY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQgZ3oLp_WY</a><br />
This is an  interview with Ahmadinejad who apparently “surprised” one of the members of the media.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykd-syzZ4ZY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykd-syzZ4ZY</a></p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22695</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hp,
Thanx for the links to those Wallace videos, most refreshing...

&quot;USrael-as-the-Root-of-All-Evil&quot;  ? Why not?
Hitler and Nazism has been branded, unchallenged,  the root of ALL Evil for the last 60 years, why not NOW this duo? 

My advice is, now that he has dropped out of the presidential nomination, to join in the Ron Paul REVOLUTION  and put a break on this madness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hp,<br />
Thanx for the links to those Wallace videos, most refreshing&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;USrael-as-the-Root-of-All-Evil&#8221;  ? Why not?<br />
Hitler and Nazism has been branded, unchallenged,  the root of ALL Evil for the last 60 years, why not NOW this duo? </p>
<p>My advice is, now that he has dropped out of the presidential nomination, to join in the Ron Paul REVOLUTION  and put a break on this madness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22686</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about if uncle Tom says it himself, Lloyd?

http://www.counterpunch.org/hayden07202006.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about if uncle Tom says it himself, Lloyd?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/hayden07202006.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/hayden07202006.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22684</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we use the word &quot;intellecual&quot; differently, dan e.  Both Chomsky and Hayden spoke and wrote directly to the major concerns of thinking leftists, in their day, and I&#039;m happy to say neither of their day&#039;s has passed.  It&#039;s easy for you to dump on Hayden as a petit-bourgeois politician; does that distinguish him in your mind from Barbara Lee and Dennis Kucinich, or do you dump all three in the trash together?

I&#039;m not even going to approach the Israel-as-the-Root-of-All-Evil matter.  You and hp can enjoy your circle-jerk together on that subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we use the word &#8220;intellecual&#8221; differently, dan e.  Both Chomsky and Hayden spoke and wrote directly to the major concerns of thinking leftists, in their day, and I&#8217;m happy to say neither of their day&#8217;s has passed.  It&#8217;s easy for you to dump on Hayden as a petit-bourgeois politician; does that distinguish him in your mind from Barbara Lee and Dennis Kucinich, or do you dump all three in the trash together?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not even going to approach the Israel-as-the-Root-of-All-Evil matter.  You and hp can enjoy your circle-jerk together on that subject.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/06/at-work-for-john-negroponte/#comment-22677</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a fine example of just that. The epitome of USrael.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNzrNEFs1E&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=181923B27C885CDF&amp;index=0&amp;playnext=1#</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a fine example of just that. The epitome of USrael.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNzrNEFs1E&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=181923B27C885CDF&amp;index=0&amp;playnext=1#" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNzrNEFs1E&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=181923B27C885CDF&amp;index=0&amp;playnext=1#</a></p>
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